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Here's a list of NBA champions straight from the source. They do not recognize champions from the National Basketball League, only the BAA, which was the NBA's predecessor. If the NBA itself does not recognize this, the wikipedia article should not as well. This has also been the consensus for years, that the Lakers have 17 championships, and I highly doubt it's a coincidence that, now that Boston has 18 titles, Lakers fans are desperate to do anything to match that number.
Skelly57 (
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14:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Nobody? It is a fact which is why it is listed. The NBA championships are broken down so it can be easily seen how many are NBA vs NBL.
Spanneraol (
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14:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I fully agree. It's fine to acknowledge the NBL and team's histories there, but they shouldn't be lumped in with NBA championships when the NBA itself doesn't recognize them.
Skelly57 (
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14:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
the article from the NBA about how many championships they recognize is incorrect? I thought claims had to be supported with evidence on Wikipedia, while you're just hand waving this away. Honestly, this is kind of desperate.
2600:8800:1812:B100:BC4D:FCC9:4ED8:6B5A (
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14:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The NBA played almost a full season... the playoffs were played in their entirety. It was a fair season so it definitely counts. Leave it.
Spanneraol (
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00:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The Lakers have 1 NBL championship and 17 NBA championships. This is a total of 18 championships. On the Detroit Pistons' Wikipedia page, both NBL and NBA championships are listed and totaled. Likewise, to present the Lakers' complete history, their NBL championship must be listed and totaled with their NBA championships, as well.
Mlmanous (
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12:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Once again, the number of championships listed for the Lakers has been changed. They have 18 championships, including 1 NBL championship. Please restore this factual information about the franchise's history.
Mlmanous (
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09:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The Lakers do indeed have 18 championships. 1 NBL, 1 BAA (later retconned as an NBA championship) and 16 NBA (17 with the retconned one). All should be listed in the infobox as these were major professional championships. There seems to be at least one user who for some reason is trying to remove it from the Lakers and Kings pages.
Alvaldi (
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17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
False. It is a championship... the NBA not acknowledging it is irrelevant to the fact that the league existed and it had champions.. which are facts. It is certainly not vandalism. I'd also like to point out that the championship has been listed in this article since 2004 when it was created, so removing it would be the vandalism.
Spanneraol (
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18:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The Los Angeles Lakers themselves do not consider themselves to be the 1948 Champions. For Wikipedia to do so would be lying, and vandalism.
MAINEiac4434 (
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19:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
The NBL championship is well established by secondary sources. Entities do not get to rewrite their own histories. Please do not remove sourced content without establishing consensus first.
Alvaldi (
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19:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
And I would note that even there, at the very top of the page, they do not highlight 1947-48 as the year they won a championship. Also worth noting (to me, at least) that they say they won the NBL "crown" and not a championship, as they do for every other season.
MAINEiac4434 (
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20:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
It's not an NBA championship and this page does not say it is either.. it is an NBL one. Also, in the second sentence they refer to an NBL championship. Why are you so insistent on pre-NBA titles being excluded? Baseball teams include their titles from earlier non NL and AL leagues on their pages.. this is the same thing. The NBL was one of two major pro basketball leagues that merged to form the NBA... the titles from those leagues should all be included. Every team that one an NBL title has those titles listed on their wiki pages.
Spanneraol (
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21:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
All reliable sources describe the NBL as a major professional league. It had a longer and far more established history than the BAA. The first decade after the merger, former NBL teams and players had much more success than their BAA counterparts.
Alvaldi (
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23:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Yes, the NBL was a superior league to the BAA (and every other league) in 1946-47 and 1947-48. In fact, the Warriors' first championship (in the BAA in 1947) was in a minor league. To give an example that few people, if any, have ever observed: as defending BAA champions, the Warriors lost to the Wilke-Barre Barons (of the American Basketball League) in a matchup with that team. Later, in the World Professional Basketball Tournament, the Lakers defeated Wilkes-Barre by 50 points. The NBL was THE major basketball league until the Lakers and Rochester Royals (the future Sacramento Kings) switched to the BAA (and proceeded to dominate the BAA/NBA) in 1948-49.
Mlmanous (
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04:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)reply