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I see that under someone has written do not change "as at" to "as of". Is "as of" not correct, considering that the present is a time that has already passed, and so "of" reflects this.
Ellwat (
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15:56, 9 November 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree from a grammar POV. However, I believe this point was discussed during the Featured Article nomination process and "at" agreed on – possibly by non-British/Irish contributors
Billsmith60 (
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12:29, 14 November 2023 (UTC)reply
IP, ”As at” is good, formal British English. “As of” is an American interloper, although more favoured in common and lowly use nowadays.If you could identify the quote it would help, but you should note that if it was originally in AmEng, that is the version we should display. -
SchroCat (
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04:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)reply
'As of' to mean 'at the present time' is AmE. In BrE it means, more or less, 'from': 'As of next week, this supermarket will be open until 10 p.m. on Thursdays.' 'As at' means it's true now (at the time of writing) but isn't guaranteed to remain true: 'As at 5 July 2024, Rishi Sunak is the leader of the Conservative Party.' Both expressions are probably best avoided in an international encyclopedia.
Snugglepuss (
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12:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
My edit removed unnecessary elements from the prose, per
WP:BECONCISE. For example:
In early September 2023 she announced her memoirs about her time as prime minister—titledTen Years to Save the West—which is planned to be released in April 2024. -> In early September 2023 she announced her memoirs about her time as prime minister, Ten Years to Save the West, which is planned for release in April 2024. This is just the same information in fewer words (verobosity bolded).
the BBC's political editor Faisal Islam wrote in an article that "Trussonomics is dead" — It isn't important to call out where Islam wrote this. If we say a BBC political wrote editor something, people will assume it was in a BBC article. If the reader wants to see exactly where they wrote it they can check the citation.
Truss is known for her economically liberal views and support for free trade and deregulation. Is it actually important to say that she is known for having these views or is the important thing that she has these views? Should we also report that she is known for being the prime minister of the UK or is it OK to just say she was the prime minister of the UK? (Additionally, does the source actually say she is known for these views or is that additional
WP:OR we're throwing in?)
she co-launched the
Popular Conservatism group along with others We do not need to say she co-launched something when she did it along with others, that's what "co-" means.
I disagree that a quote can be changed in any way whatsoever. Stick to what it says: exactly, without changing the words from American to British spelling. Apparently there is also a British English source for that 'center/centre' quote. Use it then. Regards
Billsmith60 (
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11:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Post-premiership (2022–present): Green Dragon Coalition Conference
In March 2024, Ms Truss' parliamentary register of interests showed that Ms Truss accepted a donation of just under £20,000 from an organisation called the Green Dragon Coalition, to attend their three-day conference held at a private hotel on
Sea Island, located off the coast of
Georgia between 2 and 4 February. This was reported by several UK national news outlets.[1][2][3][4]
I had begun the process of adding the first reference to that section on the page
[1] when the edit was removed as 'Not cited' and my second edit adding the text appended to the citation was removed for reason of 'no established notability here',
[2] by @
Tim O'Doherty before I could finish adding the citations and text in the page's chosen reference style.
I maintain that it's a notable addition to the section
Post-premiership (2022-present): and disagree with what I perceived at the time to be a rather hasty removal, hence my creation of a new topic to discuss its inclusion.
The Green Dragon Coalition's donation to Ms. Truss was the largest donation of the total £32,000 she received for her tour of the US in February 2024[5] Liz Truss' tour of America in Februrary 2024 was notable as it began with a private conference organised by the Green Dragon Coalition, and attended by Liz Truss,
Jordan Peterson and prominent backers of
Donald Trump[1] and culminated with her first speaking engagement at a
CPAC conference, where she spoke alongside
Donald Trump and Steve Bannon.[1] Truss promoted her book's forthcoming release at CPAC and has since written that: "Trump back in the White House would also be a boost for UK-US relations."[6]
Per
WP:NOTNEWS, we should not include material in a subject's biography if the only sources are news outlets within the event's news cycle. If the event becomes established as notable enough that it is covered by sources looking at Truss in retrospect, then (and only then) it should be added under
WP:DUEWEIGHT. Public figures generate a lot of news coverage and their articles would rapidly become uselessly huge if we did not have some filter to keep the vast majority of it out of their biographies until a higher standard for inclusion were met. UndercoverClassicistT·
C09:19, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think coverage of Truss's recent antics falls under
WP:NOTNEWS. They have been extensively covered in multiple reliable sources now, and I haven't seen this same logic applied on any other articles for other major political figures, such as
Donald Trump, etc — at least not quite so strictly.
Popcornfud (
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13:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If they've been covered in multiple reliable sources that are not news articles (or are news articles outside the cycle: for example, at the risk of being macabre, an obituary when one eventually comes about), then
WP:NOTNEWS doesn't apply and they should be included. Whether the policy has been applied in other articles
is not the point here: this is a Featured Article and we would expect it to uphold Wikipedia's standards to a higher degree than most pages. UndercoverClassicistT·
C13:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
OK, touche on both points — the Trump article is not a good example to point to, and if I were me, I'd respond with
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS too. I'll just say I feel the coverage of a lot of this stuff is sufficient to satisfy my bar for
WP:NOTNEWS, and there we clearly disagree. I do not think that something has to be reported in a non-news source to be useable; for example, if Truss died today, we would surely immediately add that information.
Popcornfud (
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14:27, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply