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Hey - just a quick question - finally saw LMS 2 nights ago and it wasn't bad. I'm pretty sure there was a blooper in the scene where Dwayne and Frank are talking by ocean - at one point, Carell starts calling him "Dwight" instead of Dwayne. Maybe a slipup from his "The Office" work? Thought it was pretty cute.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.38.107 ( talk) 15:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Can anyone list out the 4 alternate endings in the DVD?
-The movie ends where the family is at a rest stop and Richard talks about old stories involving Grandpa. The scene is very pretty and scenic - which really didn't fit in with the rest of the movie. The directors even commented that this was the original ending, but turned out to be too "sappy."
-Another ending shows the same scene where the cop lets them free and the family walking out and Sheryl has a pageant crown that she places on Richards head as they exit the hotel. They laugh and Richard puts the crown on Olive's head and everyone comments that she did a great job.
-Another ending has same ending as above - but we see Olive get ahead of everyone else and checks to see if the coast is clear - and then we see the family run out of the hotel with a trophy bigger than anyone in the group. They all laugh and run out of the hotel.
-The last ending has a mix of the prior two. The dance routine ends, and before anyone can stop them, they take the large trophy and make a mad dash for the door. Then the original ending ties in where they run to the van, push it, jump in it, break through the gate, and drive off into the sunset.
That is how I remember the endings... NYKenny 20:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I added some quotes from not-so-positive reviews to balance out the review section (While leaving in the fact that it has a 92% from Rotten Tomatoes). Janors 07:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
The edits made by 139.48.81.98 ( talk| contribs) removed a large part of the plot synopsis, some wiki links and other information. Because the synopsis was requested on this talk page, I chose to revert the anonymous user's edits to the previous page. — Mustang_DVS ( talk| contribs) 20:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
I saw this movie last week at the premier in Brentwood... without a doubt, this is the new "family-cult" movie for a long time to come. Highly recommended!!
I likewise saw this movie today and was very entertained. I would like to have had a better grasp of the relationship of the characters (the father and grandfather are apparently step parents and the uncle is the mother's brother). The end is defintely Hollywood and was a bit disappointing, but there are so many lessons to be learned in the film about how to approach daily life, I believe that the film has the depth of a meaningful Broadway play and should not be considered just a dark "National Lampoon" excursion, which it may resemble. The cast is incredibly good, even down to the uncredited role of Mary Lynn Rajskub of "24" fame, as the person who called the talent on stage. I was particularly impressed by the apparent cooperation given by the Miss America Pagent in this effort, since the film, on the surface, seemed to criticize such pagents. I gather that, over the years, the Miss America Pagent has tried to get away from the superficial attributes that make "winners" in other "beauty" contests, so, I suppose, the film helps push that image vs. the image of the Little Miss Sunshine contest. I am not sure that this theme was completely developed, however, and I am not sure what advantage the Miss America contest can gain from the film.
I would have cut the chance meeting of Frank with his graduate student x-lover as being unnecessary for the plot development.
The middle section of this article is ripped off of a syndicated news thingy. Probably this should be edited and wikified. (check out spam://seattle.thewarrenreport.com/background.asp?pageID=9&catID=6 to see one example).
Is it just me, or does the girl remind you of Jules et Jim?
To understand the importance of per theater average gross, consider this hypothetical example.
A film makes $20,000 per theater average gross.
If it is shown at one theater for one day, you have grossed $20,000.
If it is shown at 2500 theaters for three weeks, you have grossed over a Billion Dollars. (And that's just initial domestic release. There is also foreign releases. Marketing tie-ins. Merchandising. Premium cable. DVDs. Broadcast. Etc.)
So, "Per Theater Average Gross" is a very crucial measure of a film's success.
72.82.183.16 18:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Or at least stop doing so unless you can provide a verifiable source:
WHO has expressed "contentions"? Is this notable? Is this a trend? I'm gay, and I found the use of the word "fag" to be totally appropriate considering Arkin's character. Carrell's gay character was believable and sympathetic, and I'd be hard-pressed to see how anyone but a PC-run-amok moron would object to Arkin's character uttering the word "fag" considering everything else he says. I'd love to see your source (your own brain doesn't count as a source.) Moncrief 13:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Could someone make a family tree of the cast using the familytree template?
How's this:
? | Edwin Hoover | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Frank | ? | Sheryl Hoover | Richard Hoover | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dwayne | Olive Hoover | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Plutor talk 19:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, last week I thought this statement was totally false when I saw it on the main page, until I watched the movie again and (1) heard the mention of Dwayne visiting his father in Florida, (2) saw a framed photo in the background that was presumably Richard & Sheryl's wedding picture, with a little boy standing beside them, and (3) heard Dwayne yelling "Divorce!" when he had his breakdown. -- Procrastinatrix 15:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a spoiler tag, so could somebody who has seen the movie please put in the entire summary? It doesn't fit into the "encyclopediac" category when the supposed "plot synopsis" reads like a teaser.
I don't mean to sound antagonistic, must just be the insomnia making me cranky. -- TopGear 02:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
"LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE is an American family road comedy that shatters the mold. Brazenly satirical and yet deeply human, the film introduces audiences to one of the most endearingly fractured families in recent cinema history: the Hoovers, whose trip to a pre-pubescent beauty pageant results not only in comic mayhem but in death, transformation and a moving look at the surprising rewards of being losers in a winning-crazed culture. A runaway hit at the Sundance Film Festival, where it played to standing ovations, the film strikes a nerve with everyone who’s ever been awestruck by how their muddled families seem to make it after all.
No one among the Hoovers quite has it together, but it’s not for lack of trying. Father Richard (GREG KINNEAR), a hopelessly optimistic motivational speaker, is desperately attempting to sell his 9-step program for success -- without much success. Meanwhile, the Hoovers’ “pro-honesty” mother Sheryl (TONI COLLETTE) is constantly harried by her family’s eccentric secrets, especially those of her brother (STEVE CARELL), a suicidal Proust scholar fresh out of the hospital after being jilted by his gay lover. Then there are the younger Hoovers with their unlikely dreams – the four-eyed, slightly plump, seven year-old would-be beauty queen Olive (ABIGAIL BRESLIN) and Dwayne (PAUL DANO), an anger-fueled, Nietzsche-reading teen who has taken a staunch vow of silence until he gets into the Air Force Academy. Topping off the family is the grandfather (ALAN ARKIN), a foul-mouthed pleasure-seeker recently kicked out of his retirement home for snorting heroin.
They might not be the picture of perfect mental health, but when a fluke gets Olive invited to compete in the fiercely competitive “Little Miss Sunshine” competition in California, the whole Hoover family rallies behind her. They pile into their rusted-out VW bus and head West on a three-day tragicomic journey filled with madcap surprises and leading up to Olive’s big debut – which will change the entire misfit family in ways they could never imagine.
LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE features the directorial debut of renowned music video directors (and husband-and-wife team) Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris, who direct from a script by Michael Arndt. The film is produced by Big Beach and Bona Fide Productions, with Marc Turtletaub, David T. Friendly, Peter Saraf and Albert Berger & Ron Yerxa serving as producers and Jeb Brody and Michael Beugg as executive producers. The production team includes director of photography Tim Suhrstedt, production designer Kalina Ivanov, costume designer Nancy Steiner, editor Pamela Martin, composer Mychael Danna and the up-and-coming band DeVotchka."
...that's pretty thorough, and probably more than needed to make a suitable synopsis... its from here User:Pedant 05:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone want to put in a summary of the many references to existential philosophy in the movie? This is a theme that is obvious from the very opening of the movie with Dwayne's poster of Nietzsche, and continues as each character's choices direct and shape the events of the movie. Further, Uncle Frank's choice to attempt suicide echoes Albert Camus' assertion that whether or not to commit suicide is the only great existential or philosophical question. On the pier Dwayne comes to the conclusion that one's choices make him responsible for what happens to him regardless of external or uncontrollable events, which is a concept created by Sartre.
Does this page really need so much Trivia?! Half the page is bloody trivia!
I believe that the family tree in the article is incorrect. It graphically shows "Uncle Frank" as being the uncle of Sheryl.
I saw LMS, twice. Frank is Sheryl's brother, not her uncle. Frank is the uncle of Dwayne and Olive.
Using customary genealogical methods, a higher positioning (or in the case of a horizontal tree, a more left-hand-side postioning) of person A is indicative of person A being in a generation that is older than person B.
We need to change the Family Tree graphic.
71.168.134.196 19:41, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I created the family tree, and I know that Frank is Sheryl's brother, not uncle. I'm sorry if it looks unclear, but I have that box where it is according to the template example of an aunt/uncle: see example
template_talk:familytree. I don't know if there's enough room to put it next to Sheryl because of where Dwayne's father is, and I didn't want to have boxes for Sheryl and Frank's parents because they were not part of the movie...suggestions?
Plath81
22:57, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I moved Uncle Frank to Sheryl's level..hope it looks ok. Plath81 23:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Richard is not Dwayne's father? I just watched the movie an hour ago and I did not realize that they are not fath/son. Then again, I missed the first few minutes, so could someone please confirm this for me?
Sheryl mentions that Dwayne could see his father while in Florida. - Viola sk8 1976 01:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Driving without the clutch is quite an accomplishment, but possible with a manual gear. The car is accelerated by incline or pushing in neutral, and at the right speed, gear is shifted to third which will start the engine (ignition key needs to be activated). Shifting up and down is done over neutral gear during which time engine rotations need to be adjusted to the new gear,- this needs a lot of experience and mistakes will soon wear down the gear system. Ekem 14:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I moved the talk page to the film's article, now removing the redirect to Talk:Little Miss Sunshine (film). Schi 21:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
You also forgot to mention Cindy who is Sheryl and Frank's sister
does it really need to say that the film was not shot in sequence? films are rarely shot in sequence, theres nothing special about it. i think it should be removed.
Including the final shot which was shot after the rest of the film wrapped. All in sequence start to finish, the location scout is the one the crew said is responsible for being able to shoot in order. User:Pedant`
We need mor info on the VW van possibily a page do you agree? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Superspiel ( talk • contribs)
In the film Dwayne (the teen) has on a white shirt with a face on it. Does anyone know who's face that is? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.35.254.252 ( talk) 20:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC).
Don't forget the Jesus was Wrong shirt. Anyone know who did the giant sketch on the bedsheet in his room? I can't find a WP:NOR source for it, but all the scenes in Dwayne's room were shot in the same room as the scenes in Olive's room. The house they shot in had to be 'ensmalled' by adding walls to make the house seem more cramped. The entire house was emptied prior to set dressing, and the cast and crew referred to the resulting set as "the Hoover Prison". All this is from a Q&A after a screening I saw, so it's all original research... but thought it would be interesting to add to the discuss page anyway. User:Pedant 20:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone else has seen thematic connections between LMS and The Grapes of Wrath. There are some possible allusions i.e. Grandpa dying en route to their destination, destination of california, numerous car troubles, crossing the desert to arrive at destination, small-town unasuming folks progressing toward loss of innocence in the harsh reality of pagentry/harvest picking, themes of death...
There are probably others and I admit that some of theese are quite weak but hey, I'm just a simple highschool student don't pay any attention to me.
Also as far as existential themes, the above writer has good points about Sartreian existentialism, but Nieztche came before the real existentialist movement, and Camus always denied being an existentialist, but rather defined himself as an absurdist. Dwayne's soliloquy at the pier is more eximplary of post-modern philosophy (f*** it all). The movie also echos Simone de Beauvoir to some small extent in the undeserved yet inevitable denaturization of the second sex (females) and its dealings with post traumatic stress. Ah but I digress, oh well. Loridan 06:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
It was originally supposed to be set on the east cost, so those connections sound some what coincidental. 71.65.34.160 05:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Removed this from the plot summary:
(this information is actually not revealed until later in the movie, however it can be predicted as Sheryl says to Frank, "I'm so glad you're here", to which he responds, "That makes one of us.")
It's apparent from the conversation Sheryl has with the doctor ("No sharp objects" he says) that he tried to commit suicide. RoyBatty42 02:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
didn't it win this in the idependent spirit awards? 71.65.34.160 05:34, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to know that Shayne Murphy, a politician, is listed as a pageant contestant in the cast of this movie. I have slight reason to believe that this might be false.-- Ed ¿Cómo estás? 21:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The various different schools of Philosophy must be addressed in the page for this film. For many days now, I have been realizing the paralells in this film to various aspects of Continental Philosophy. Surely one of us should insert commentary about the relationship between Grandpa and the arguments regarding Hedonism for example. Each of the characters plays a well-defined role within at least one of the major questions involving Western Philosopy. Does anyone want to work with me to identify them all? The authors of this screenplay are geniusues.
Anyone know? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Craigboy ( talk • contribs) 02:04, 8 April 2007 (UTC).
So I removed the section References to Proust and Nietzsche under the justification that it is Original Research. The claims made are opinions that seem to come from its author. I have removed it from the article until it can be attributed to a reliable source. The section I removed can be found below:
References to Proust and Nietzsche
Throughout the film there are references to Marcel Proust's own bildungsroman In Search of Lost Time. Several allusions, including the denial of proposed beauty, as well as the transition of youth, are made to the text(s). It may also be argued that Dwayne, who is heavily influenced by Friedrich Nietzsche's writings, may have taken his vow of silence as an allegory for Nietzsche's works, which focus on the need of reason for existence (existentialism).
– DroEsperanto( talk| contribs) 21:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently reworked the page by expanding the production section and adding sources for the majority of the information that needed it. I nominated the article at WP:GAN today, so if interested, please look over the article and make sure that everything's correct and it has no errors, which will help the article pass. Good job to everyone that contributed to the article. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 ( talk) 22:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I almost always write a very detailed review for GA candidates, regardless of how much work they require. In this case, I am pleased to say that no such outline of issues to be dealt with is necessary. Except for the image edits I made, I can find no significant place where the article is not in accordance with the Manual of Style and the GA criteria. Absolutely outstanding work, please let me know if you go for FA, so I can support. Also, currently GA is enduring a hefty backlog. If anyone would be willing, please consider doing a review (or three). I'd be happy to answer any questions a new reviewer might have. Thank you for your hard work, Van Tucky 02:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
"modified the plot per FAC suggestion." Nehrams2020, How does the FAC suggestion call for eliminating rewriting I did? -- BoogaLouie ( talk) 23:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
It is unclear from why the Academy considered Berger and Yerxa as "partners in the production process" rather than as "individual producers". Otto4711 ( talk) 18:18, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
In an early scene where the whole of the family first sit down to eat, there is a beautifully elegant painting on the wall which looks like it is a still life piece by the 20c Italian artist, Giorgio Morandi. Can anyone confirm whether it is a Morandi or a copy? billie_di —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.56.48.73 ( talk) 21:36, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Is the vow of silence link supposed to go to selective mutism? this seems like vandalism. 143.195.203.83 ( talk) 17:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
< -- Personal Attack redacted --> Andrzejbanas is removing adventure film cats from LMS. Little Miss Sunshine is an adventure film, just because it's not like Indiana Jones or The Lord of the Rings, doesn't mean it is not an adventure film. It's a urban family adventure, they go into a quest, it's a inncer city adventure. Road films are by many definitions adventure films too. Unlike Inglourious Basterds which is not an adventure film, but a drama, IB is a war drama, LMS is an inner-city adventure film. IB can't be considered an adventure movie because the characters don't go on a quest or journey for an artifact. If man-on-a-mission movie is adventure films, then schindler's list and the godfather are adventure films as well, Well, I think both are more adventure than IB. Cheers. 201.95.48.234 ( talk) 16:21, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Apparently, a sockpuppet of Pé de Chinelo ( talk · contribs) has resumed the addition of the unneeded category, which also happened with The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. As a result, I had to report this user to WP:SPI just before he was blocked and this page was protected. Darth Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 01:17, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Please can someone tell me what happened to Grandpa's body? It seems to disappear between the scene with the motorcycle cop and the scene at the end where they leave the pageant parking lot.
Maybe I missed something. Wanderer57 ( talk) 03:21, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi - When Olive performs her routine at the pageant, I recall that she states that she learned the 'moves' from her grandpa. When the announcer asks her where her grandfather is, she replies that he is in the trunk of the family car. This obviously causes the announcer and most members of the audience to be slightly confused.
Later on in the film [after the family has attended the police station], when the father is in the parking lot, he makes arrangements to have the body taken care of since it has crossed a state line - thus the body never disappears from the back of the vehicle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galaxycat ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I wonder whether there's some way to improve the navigation of Little Miss Sunshine articles?
A DAB might be overkill, it would be essentially two-way:
But we do have six lines all with live links and at least four articles, five really if you count that Little Miss Sunshine (character) redirects to a substantial description of the character at List of Little Miss characters#Little Miss Sunshine, and there's even the possibility of another on the 2006 book Little Miss Sunshine keeps her smile. It would be good to have the information as to how they all relate, somewhere accessible in the main article namespace... suggestions? Andrewa ( talk) 01:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
the cast (as written on the wiki page) includes actors that were not in the film like James Woods and Steve Buscemi among others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.30.205.191 ( talk) 16:06, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
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