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It's fine for this article to be in British English for historical reasons, but it's not ok for it to exhibit unsourced and false prejudice. The spelling "liter" is
more, not less, common than "litre". More individual countries may opt for the Franco-British spelling but Texas alone has more people than Australia; Alabama has more people than New Zealand; and the US prints more books and has more webpages as well.
There's a way to phrase the idea to get the same point across with less opprobrium, but "liter" is not "less common". —
LlywelynII02:32, 13 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Only Wikipedia editors get confused by "er" vs. "re", or missing/extra "u" or "i" in words. People who actually read the articles take about 300 milliseconds to recognize the alternative, and then get on with whatever they really came here to read about. More people speak English in India than in England, anyway. --
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In my humble opinion, the best answer to that question was given 12 years ago: "On the other hand, one could wonder whether American English really deserves to have different spellings for measures which Americans refuse to adopt. ;) - toh 16:20, 3 October 2005 (UTC)" Quite charming! --
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You mean pro-American, as twice in the opening paragraphs we are pointlessly informed that one country spells it wrong.
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How was it decided which units were bolded to indicate they were more often used? I've never heard or seen hectolitre, decilitre, centilitre or microlitre in common usage but have heard and seen kilolitre, megalitre and gigalitre in common usage.
GK1 (
talk)
00:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)reply
@
Dondervogel 2: "
metric unit", as used in this article, redirects to "
metric system", suggesting a metric unit is a unit of the metric system, and in that article it says of the metric system: "It is now known as the International System of Units (SI). Given that we know that the "litre" is a "non-SI unit", it follows that it's a non-metric-system unit too. Or is the "metric system" article wrong about that? --
DeFacto (
talk).
18:06, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The
metric system article also says Metric system may also refer to other systems of related base and derived units defined before the middle of the 20th century, some of which are still in limited use today. -
Arch dude (
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19:30, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Dondervogel 2: that's an annoying
WP:EGG link though, and the first thing I did after clicking that was to find and click the first link to where the text led me to believe I would have been taken - to
metric system. The fact is, the articles are confusing, contradictory and unhelpful, and need tidying. --
DeFacto (
talk).
20:57, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
@
DeFacto: Here we agree. The links are indeed contradictory, and that is because the article
metric system conflates
metric units with
SI units. In reality, the set of SI units is a small subset of all metric units. The errors in that article need fixing but here we are discussing the litre, which remains a metric unit, regardless of what other articles might say about it.
Dondervogel 2 (
talk)
21:05, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Dondervogel 2: IMO a litre is a metric unit in the sense that it is/was a formal unit of an older system commonly known as "the metric system" in its time. All we need to do in this article is to make sure we identify the relationship of the litre to the SI, and we do that. The confusion is a matter of which tense , "is" or "was", should be used in an encyclopedic article, and that's messy. See
MOS:TENSE. -
Arch dude (
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19:19, 10 January 2020 (UTC)reply
In addition we have
metric units, which redirects to
International system of units.
What we need is one article to describe the concept of a general metric unit, which could include some history and would include the litre. And a second one on the SI, which would exclude the litre. The other articles seem redundant to me.
Dondervogel 2 (
talk)
16:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
I agree this is not the most obvious place, but I chose to make the point here to avoid a parallel discussion. How about we first agree (here) where best to take it and then move the discussion to that location?
Dondervogel 2 (
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18:40, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
The three of us might be able to bring some order to this chaos, but I'm a fairly haphazard editor with other interests. Perhaps we should propose a structure and then take it to the appropriate(?) Wikiproject to get more input? My own inclination is to make the SI article the master article, and point to the other articles from its brief overview subsections ("metric systems", "history", etc.) since GIPM specifically mentions litre, it gets included there, but only to say that it's a non-SI unit. -
Arch dude (
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19:19, 11 January 2020 (UTC)reply
We feel there is too much duplication in these 5 articles. We also see a need for a new article
Metric units. That new article could usefully include summaries of
I've given up at
WP:Physics. They either don't understand or are uninterested in the distinction between the metric system of units (arguably the SI) and the collection of all metric units (which includes the SI and many other metric units). Instead I have made a stub on my
user page. Feel free to add suggestions of your own.
Dondervogel 2 (
talk)
12:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)reply
I uploaded the article from my user page to
Metric units. I'm not sure about the logarithmic units though. Perhaps they belong elsewhere - depends what one understands by a "metric" unit. See what you think.
Dondervogel 2 (
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15:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)reply