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User:Pppery, you keep on removing links to Wikidata, which is quite disruptive. I am using the links according to the instructions at
Template:Wikidata icon which is "intended to be used for list of articles where each item [] have a Wikidata item, but probably does not have a dedicated Wikipedia article", which is exactly the case. Since the list is developed based on Wikidata data, I need the links in order to quickly access the source of the data and references to the original sources. Please restore links to
Template:Wikidata icon or replace with some other form which will allow people to access the metadata for ~370 woodcuts. --
Jarekt (
talk)
20:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)reply
No, {{Interlanguage link}} is not a replacement for {{Wikidata icon}}. Interlanguage link is, unsurprisingly, a link between language editions of Wikipedia. It is for sending a reader to an existing Wikipedia article in another language, when English lacks that article. Normally you specify one or more languages where the article exists. It is disputed/unresolved whether or not the template may be used to send readers to the list of links of existing articles to pick from, a list which happens to be at the bottom of the Wikidata item page. It is a misuse of the template to use it as a replacement for {{Wikidata icon}}, and it is flagrantly invalid to send readers to an empty list of zero interlanguage articles.
Alsee (
talk)
14:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
A good example of why these Wikidata lists are maintenance trouble
The column Year has:
Dates referenced to English Wikipedia, which is circular referencing and disallowed
Dates referenced to "
https://purl.org/nga" which gives a browser warning as a potentially dangerous link
"between circa 1496 and circa 1497": it's either "between 1496 and 1497", or "circa 1496-1797"
A wikidata pencil link without an accompanying date?
"between circa 1502 and circa 1503 / between circa 1502 and circa 1503"
"1509 / between circa 1509 and circa 1510"
"1510 / 1509"
"1511 / 1511"
"1510s / 1515"
"1520 / probably between 1520 and 1521"
To correct the last 8 examples (and there are often multiple instances and variations per type), one would need to, well, at the very least go to all individual entries instead of correcting it all at once here; and then do something, perhaps with preferences?
Fram (
talk)
15:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
https://purl.org/ng also causes a warning when visited from the article on Wikipedia where it is cited; it's not a Wikidata issue. It is due to a certificate on the target site which expired in late October, and is no doubt a temporary issue; I'd wager good money that Wikipedia also has other citations with the same issue, not to mention the number of completely dead links in citations. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits13:02, 22 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Yes, and when they are here, you can in one edit remove them, or tag them as compromised, or add archive links, or ... With a Wikidata list like this, you would instead need to visit each page individually to correct these, and some of the solutions available here wouldn't be available there. More work, less options, not an improvement.
Fram (
talk)
07:55, 23 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Why would you need 1000+ sources? You have four main sources, which are already listed in columns (and for which you use the template Cite Q, which is discouraged in mainspace). Even if you then add a source for each year, you would still be far removed from 1000+ sources. And then at least you could add reliable sources, instead of links to Wikidata which may or may not contain usable links.
Fram (
talk)
16:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
And by the way, why do the interwiki links to Wikidata (after the redlinked names of woodcuts) take me to the bottom of the Wikidata page? That's rather confusing and doesn't seem to serve a useful purpose.
Fram (
talk)
16:20, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Fram I think all of the interlanguage links are gone now, but it was confusing & not useful because the template was being misused. The template is supposed to be used to send readers to a foreign Wikipedia, if some desired article doesn't exists in English. There was no consensus on whether the template may be used in an article without specifying at least one foreign-Wikipedia destination. If the template is used that way, the link sends you to pick your destination from the list of Wikipedias-that-have-the-article. The template was being abused to send readers to a blank list, because that list lives at the bottom of the Wikidata item.
Alsee (
talk)
15:54, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Ah, thanks. Now all that remains is to change the article to an actual text-based (not template-based), local (not Wikidata-fetching) one, and to correct the errors, include the conflicting dates (perhaps better to add the dates in the 4 "catalogue" columns?), and to move the disputed attributions to a separate section.
Fram (
talk)
16:08, 25 November 2020 (UTC)reply
SPARQL query used as a starting point for table generation:
SELECT?item?itemLabel?fisher?bartsch?passavant?CD?Kurth?image?seriesWITH{# find items for the artworksSELECTDISTINCT?itemWHERE{{?itemwdt:P31wd:Q18219090.}UNION# woodcut{?itemwdt:P2079wd:Q173242.}{?itemwdt:P170wd:Q5580.}UNION# By Durer{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q100320351;ps:P528?fisher}UNION{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q18327311;ps:P528?bartsch.}UNION{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q101157511;ps:P528?passavant.}UNION{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q101181018;ps:P528?CD.}UNION{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q101542418;ps:P528?Kurth.}# or listed in Durer catalog}}AS%itemsWHERE{# get properties for the itemsINCLUDE%items.optional{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q100320351;ps:P528?fisher.}optional{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q18327311;ps:P528?bartsch.}optional{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q101157511;ps:P528?passavant.}optional{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q101181018;ps:P528?CD.}optional{?itemp:P528pq:P972wd:Q101542418;ps:P528?Kurth.}?itemwdt:P18?image.optional{?itemwdt:P179?series.}SERVICEwikibase:label{bd:serviceParamwikibase:language"en".}#optional{ ?commonsSitelink schema:about ?item; schema:isPartOf <https://commons.wikimedia.org/>; schema:name ?cat . }}ORDER BY?Kurth?fisher