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Raged Bengali Wiki, provide proper citations with title, author name, publication, page numbers and quotations for the content you have added. I will check it again in few days. If you fail to do so I will remove them again. If you keep readding unsourced content/falsifying sources, I will have no other option but to report you. Please refer to
WP:RS,
WP:CITE to learn which are reliable sources and how to cite them in an article.
A.Musketeer (
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03:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Hey
A.Musketeer, can you please explain your logic in support of keeping 'Bangladesh' in the article name and not the more appropriate 'Bengal'! As Lancepark had mentioned while moving the article, 'accuracy for the Bengal region proper: eastern (now Bangaldesh) and western Bengal', you seem to have reverted them as well citing the same reason! Please share your objection. Thanks.
Ekdalian (
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13:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Sorry
A.Musketeer, if we go by your logic, we have to split the article into two, and all pre-Bangaldesh information should ideally be moved to the other article on Bengal! Hope you understand, the formation of Bangaldesh as a separate nation is a comparatively recent event in history. I can smell Bangaldesh related POV from your talk page! Pinging neutral experienced editors.. @
Fylindfotberserk,
LukeEmily,
Admantine123, and
Aman.kumar.goel: please share your opinion. Thanks
Ekdalian (
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16:30, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Before 1970s, we had lot of wars involving the region. And i can see that most of the events are from that period only. So, i will support
Ekdalian in this case. The move is unjustified.-
Admantine123 (
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16:35, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
Ekdalian, there is no POV from my side, this article has always been titled as List of was involving Bangladesh for years, I'm not sure why we are even having this discussion. There is also a
List of wars involving South Korea, nobody is trying to move it to List of wars involving Korea. Besides, as I said, Bengal is a historical entity and the list also includes modern wars and battles. For instance, both sides of Bengal participated in Indo-Pak wars of 1947 and 1965, but in opposing sides, so how would you explain those wars? If you want, you can create another article titled
List of wars involving Bengal but please do not not move any content from here.
A.Musketeer (
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21:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)reply
We shall not act as per your wish; rather we shall follow the consensus! I have reviewed your talk page, and will take you to AE or an appropriate admin's talk page for POV pushing on South Asian topics! Till now, the consensus seems to be in favour of my move (any neutral editor would support me, needless to mention). Anyway, I shall wait for others, if they wish to respond! Thanks.
Ekdalian (
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06:11, 1 October 2023 (UTC)reply
A. Musketeer, actually it's your case that is weak. Bangladesh was not in existence when the most of the events included in this list took place. This original article should remain the list of war involving Bengal only. In future, if it becomes voluminous enough, when Bangladesh will participate in new wars, you can think of seperating it into two.-
Admantine123 (
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07:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Ekdalian and
A.Musketeer:,
Bengal is divided into two parts -east and west. These wars are not restricted to only the eastern part of Bengal, were they? Or are you sure that in every war, eastern part of Bengal was always involved? If no, it is not accurate to call them "List of wars involving Bangladesh". It can be called "list of wars involving Bengal" and we can specify that part of it includes present day Bangladesh(partly). Hence I agree with Ekdalian.
LukeEmily (
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18:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)reply
A.Musketeer, are you pinging experienced neutral editors or selective ones with less than even 500 edits who would support your Bangladesh related agenda!
By the way,
LucrativeOffer, what you effectively mean is two articles having the same content but two different names!! Please note that we are here to build an encyclopedia, not to promote regionalism! We haven't tried to represent West Bengal, but what we want is Bengal which represents the article correctly. Thanks.
Ekdalian (
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10:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)reply
As a casual observer, I would comment that the state of what is now Bangladesh was prior to 1971 but subsequent to the Partition of India was known as East Pakistan, and was part of the territory of Pakistan. Furthermore, Bengal was and remains a culture within the subcontinent of India and its military history is separate from those of the modern nations in which it now exists. I hope that these points will inform any future discussions regarding the appropriate title for this subject.
LessHeard vanU (
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15:23, 2 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Ekdalian, you are still engaging in personal attacks which shows you have nothing serious to argue. I do not have any agenda. The title of this page is perfectly okay per
WP:TITLE and
WP:LISTNAME. The content includes wars involving Bangladesh and its predecessor states just like any other such lists i.e.
List of wars involving South Korea. Your time is best utilized elsewhere my friend.
A.Musketeer (
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20:35, 2 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Requested move 3 October 2023
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
All experienced editors,
Fylindfotberserk,
LukeEmily and
Admantine123 have supported the proposed move in the above section 'Recent Move & Revert' citing the same reason! Fylindfotberserk has even explained, Since most of the article is about wars before the creation of Bangladesh in 1971, it would be highly inaccurate to name it "List of wars involving Bangladesh" and an obvious case of WP:POVPUSH. I'd Support move of List of wars involving Bangladesh → List of wars involving Bengal. Thanks.
Ekdalian (
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06:35, 6 October 2023 (UTC)reply
As for the comment above by Musketeer - "All of these wars listed here involved the country of
Bangladesh" - A case of distorting facts I see. The Pala Empire, Bengal Sultanate, Bengal Subah, Bengal Presidency, etc weren't restricted to the new state of Bangladesh. -
Fylindfotberserk (
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09:47, 6 October 2023 (UTC)reply
There is no distortion of facts. Please refer to
Banglapedia - Ancient Bengal, Bengal Sultanate, Bengal Subah, Bengal Presidency all of these are considered predecessor states of Bangladesh. Nobody is claiming the wars were restricted to the current territory of Bangladesh, some of the wars even involved what is now
Myanmar and
Pakistan. Now would you propose a rename to
List of wars involving Asia? It would be as stupid as it sounds.
A.Musketeer (
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22:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
W:RAJ and unreliable source
I have removed some rows which used British etra sources and textbooks as references. Moreover, I wonder from where the Pala-Ghaznavid war broke out. The person who added those should give an explanation.
Ajayraj890 (
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12:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Dipankar sraigan798, You have consistently reversed my edits without providing an explanation. I have kept added this section for a discussion on the topic. My intention is to prevent an
edit war. Additionally, you added the move tag to a topic for which the discussion had already concluded. Therefore, I kindly request that you respond to this message.
Ajayraj890 (
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10:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Dipankar sraigan798, You are making statements with no sources. The sources cited cannot be used in Wikipedia (see
WP:RAJ). I have read about Ghaznavid invasions of India and nowhere it mentions the conflict between the Pala emperor and the Sultan. Please don't make up stories. Once I dealt with another user and proved it. So, add reliable sources for your information which follows
WP:RAJ.
Ajayraj890 (
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17:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Sitush, please check this. This user is reverting edits without giving proper explanations. I removed some of the rows, which comes under
WP:RAJ. I want to avoid edit warring so please consider this.
Ajayraj890 (
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17:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)reply