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I added a new image to the "Charts and graphs" section (example below) which was promptly removed (reverted) by a user with the explanation that it is an "Ugly image that takes up way too much space". I would appreciate some feedback from other users regarding this matter and weather it makes sense to include the image in the page or not.
Xkdhd4956 ( talk) 10:17, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I propose an alternative chart.
Death toll number is from a version of this page with "geometric mean" column, which was present in Dec 2022, but no longer.
Python code to generate plot can be made available as a GitHub gist. Numbers and dates can be easily edited to update figure in future.
Note that 3 Kingdoms is missing because it wasn't present at the time I pulled the data.
Would error bars on the benefit the visual? Benando0 ( talk) 01:06, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
The source of the Reconquista is the 1897 religious text "The Rationalist's Manual" by the author Aletheia M.D. which is a pseudonym. "The Rationalist's Manual" is not a historical source, it is not a historical text, it is entirely focused on it's criticism of christanity aspect and partly talks about theology and ethics. In the entire text, only one singular "unsourced" paragraph has a death toll, or mentions Spain. ( he mentions a source "History of Conflict Between Religion and Science", by Draper, though I haven`t found any deathtoll about the Spanish Reconquista, this work is also digitalized and pubically available ). This is the part of Rationalist Manual.
"Let us look for a moment at the number of victims sacrificed on the altars of the Christian Moloch : 1.000.000 perished during the early Arian schism; 1.000.000 during the Carthaginian struggle; 7.000.000 during the Saracen slaughters. In Spain 5.000.000 perished during the eight Crusades; 2.000.000 of Saxons and Scandinavians lost their lives in opposing the introduction of the blessings of Christianity; 1.000.000 were destroyed in the Holy Wars against the Netherlands, Albigenses, Waldenses and Huguenots; 30.000.000 Mexicans and peruvians were slaughteed ere they could be convinced of the beauties of the Christian creed; 9.000.000 were burned for witchcraft; Total : 56.000.000" ( on page 88 )
I personally believe whoever added the 7 million number, was making a mistake and wrongly assumed the 7 million number of the Saracen-slaughter was about Spain, whereas the Rationalist's Manual talks about 5 million in Spain. In any case both numbers are awfully wrong.
The number of the witch-burnings should be especially telling what sort of man and what sort of text this was. During the actual witch-hunts, only between 35.000 - 50.000 people died, not 9 million. The only number that is somewhat accurate is the "1 million in the Holy wars against Netherlands, Albigenses, Waldenses and Huguenots", all other numbers are ridiculous.
The entire "Rationalist Manual" is public and freely available on the google preview. ArthasDayne ( talk) 09:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
The reference is a blog by a guy who invents figures without any bibliography. The figures he gives are nonsense. 194.38.172.194 ( talk) 08:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
As many as 200,000 lost their lives during the Guatemalan civil war (1960-1996), 83 percent of whom were Mayan. 83.32.114.38 ( talk) 17:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
The begining of 2003 invasion did not claim 800,000-1,000,000 71.30.83.216 ( talk) 07:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Death toll estimates are wildly different, ranging from 15,000-150,000 2A06:C701:4448:9D00:8367:B773:5B9:30DA ( talk) 05:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Motion to remove fictional wars from the page. Kurukshetra War sounds like one, with ghouls and spirits, and death toll being larger than the world population at the time. 94.158.61.129 ( talk) 06:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)