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Here’s one more. The Sydney Morning Herald published a “Top 50 video games of all time” list in its 6 June 2002 edition, as part of its monthly e)mag supplement magazine, which featured news and columns about tech, internet, gaming, etc. The list’s preface reads, in its entirety, "Yes, here it is, and sure to start as many arguments as it settles: our 50 best electronic games ever. Really." Its author is David Hollingworth, who has been an editor for Hyper and PC Powerplay, among other RS publications, per this interview. The list can be viewed online here, though this version seems to have lost its preface at some point; this conversation indicates it’s supposed to be there. Anyway, the list meets all criteria: reliable source, editor-chosen, clearly about the best games, and no platform/genre/era restrictions. I therefore see no reason to exclude it, and will incorporate it shortly, if there are no objections. Here’s a transcription:
Sydney Morning Herald, 2002
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1. Doom (1993) 2. Half-Life 3. Sid Meier’s Civilization 4. Quake / Quake II (dual entry) 5. Diablo 6. Space Invaders 7. Final Fantasy VII 8. Starcraft 9. Ultima (series) 10. Tomb Raider (1996) 11. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 12. Myst 13. Duke Nukem 3D 14. Pong 15. Everquest 16. Tetris 17. The Bard’s Tale 18. Deus Ex 19. Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings 20. Halo 21. Super Mario 64 22. Wipeout 2097 23. The Curse of Monkey Island 24. System Shock 25. Zork 26. Star Control II 27. Counter-Strike 28. Elite 29. Wing Commander 30. Street Fighter II 31. Command & Conquer 32. Metal Gear Solid 33. Simcity (1989) 34. Star Wars: X-Wing 35. X-COM: UFO Defense 36. Baldur’s Gate 37. Goldeneye (1997) 38. Star Wars: Dark Forces 39. Falcon 3.0 40. Thief: The Dark Project 41. Unreal 42. Donkey Kong (Game & Watch) 43. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 44. Marathon 45. Medal of Honor 46. Super Metroid 47. Gran Turismo 48. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3 49. Pac-Man 50. Lemmings |
Once this is incorporated, Wing Commander and Star Control II will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 08:06, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
Just when I thought we'd got 'em all, I came across one more. The Independent published a list of “The 50 Best Video games” in 1999, concerning "the best that the video world has to offer." The list was chosen in collaboration with solicited industry experts, whom it lists in the preamble; they are all either games journalists or developers. The list meets all other criteria, too: reliable source, clearly about best games, no platform/genre/era restrictions. So, if there are no objections, I’ll add it.
The Independent, 1999
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1. Half-Life 2. Street Fighter II 3. Super Mario Kart 4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 5. Total Annihilation 6. Time Crisis 7. Tekken 3 8. Gran Turismo 9. Tomb Raider (1996) 10. Final Fantasy VII 11. Goldeneye (1997) 12. Virtua Fighter 13. Wipeout 2097 14. Super Mario 64 15. Civilization II 16. Quake 17. Final Fight 18. International Superstar Soccer ‘98 19. Metal Gear Solid 20. Command & Conquer (series) 21. Virtua Cop 22. Soul Blade 23. Sensible Soccer 24. Worms 25. Battlezone (1998) 26. Turok 2: Seeds of Evil 27. Streets of Rage 28. Kick-Off 2 29. Sonic the Hedgehog 30. Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines 31. Doom (1993) 32. Mortal Kombat (1992) 33. Colin McRae Rally 34. Crash Bandicoot: Warped 35. Theme Park 36. Unreal 37. Marvel Super Heroes 38. 1080 Snowboarding 39. Croc: Legend of the Gobbos 40. Grand Theft Auto 41. Point Blank 42. Dead or Alive 43. FIFA ‘99 44. Nights into Dreams 45. The Secret of Monkey Island 46. Panzer Dragoon Zwei 47. Pocket Fighter 48. Wave Race 64 49. Oddworld: Abe’s Exoddus 50. Age of Empires |
Final Fight and Age of Empires will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 21:54, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's something that looks good. German game news and review site Gameswelt has done two Top 100 "besten Spiele aller Zeiten" lists, one in 2012, and one in 2016. I opened a discussion on the site’s reliability over at the WP:VG/S talk page a few days ago. No one has yet raised any objections. The site has hundreds of citations on WP, including a decent amount even on the English WP. It has been around since 1999, and demonstrably has editorial oversight, as well as a large, paid staff. I don't see any reason this wouldn't pass the RS criteria, considering it seems de facto accepted as a RS already. Both lists meet the other criteria, too: staff-chosen, clearly about best games, and no platform/era/genre restrictions. I'll wait for a bit and see if anyone has any objections here, and, if not, will incorporate the lists.
Gameswelt, 2012
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1. Grand Theft Auto IV and Vice City (dual entry) 2. Red Dead Redemption 3. Monkey Island 1 and 2 (dual entry) 4. Half-Life 1 and 2 (dual entry) 5. Deus Ex 6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past / Ocarina of Time (dual entry) 7. Metal Gear Solid 8. Resident Evil 1 and 4 (dual entry) 9. Mario Kart 64 10. Maniac Mansion and Day of the Tentacle (dual entry) 11. Super Mario 64 and World (dual entry) 12. God of War 1 and 2 (dual entry) 13. Baldur’s Gate 1 and 2 (dual entry) 14. Civilization 15. Max Payne 16. Batman: Arkham City 17. Assassin’s Creed II and Brotherhood (dual entry) 18. Final Fantasy VII 19. Tomb Raider (1996) 20. Sid Meier’s Pirates! (1987) 21. Shadow of the Colossus 22. Portal 1 and 2 (dual entry) 23. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 24. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade / Fate of Atlantis (dual entry) 25. Diablo II 26. Dead Space 27. Fallout (series) 28. Super Castlevania IV 29. Battlefield 1942 30. Mass Effect (series) 31. Counter-Strike 32. Command & Conquer 33. Goldeneye (1997) 34. World of Warcraft 35. Conker’s Bad Fur Day 36. Heavy Rain 37. Halo: Combat Evolved 38. System Shock 2 39. Age of Empires 40. Super Metroid 41. Donkey Kong 42. Starcraft 43. Pro Evolution Soccer 6 44. Activision Decathlon 45. Doom (1993) 46. Unreal Tournament 47. Micro Machines 48. Alone in the Dark (1992) 49. Tetris 50. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and V: Skyrim (dual entry) 51. Pokemon Red and Blue 52. FIFA Soccer (1993) 53. Simcity and Simcity 2000 (dual entry) 54. Medal of Honor / Allied Assault (dual entry) 55. Burnout 3: Takedown 56. Shenmue 57. The Settlers 58. Hitman: Codename 47 59. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 1 and 2 (dual entry) 60. Forza Motorsport 3 61. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 62. Duke Nukem 3D 63. Thief: The Dark Project 64. Silent Hill 2 65. Sensible Soccer 66. Jagged Alliance 2 67. Heroes of Might & Magic 2 and 3 (dual entry) 68. Street Fighter II 69. Turrican 1 and 2 (dual entry) 70. Wave Race 64 71. Winter Challenge 72. Defender of the Crown 73. Gradius 74. NBA 2K12 75. Wipeout 76. Battle Isle 77. NHL 12 78. The Bard’s Tale 79. Rayman 80. NBA Jam 81. Star Fox 82. Anno 1602 83. F-Zero 84. Limbo 85. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 86. Kirby’s Dream Land 87. Flashback 88. Pac-Man 89. Guitar Hero 90. Ico 91. The Sims 92. Pitfall 93. Plants vs. Zombies 94. Sonic the Hedgehog 95. Pong 96. Bejeweled 97. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 98. Secret of Mana 99. Streets of Rage 100. Archon: The Light and the Dark |
Gameswelt, 2016
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1. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 2. Shadow of the Colossus 3. Monkey Island II: LeChuck’s Revenge 4. Super Mario World 5. Red Dead Redemption 6. Bloodborne 7. Diablo II 8. Half-Life 9. Final Fantasy VI 10. World of Warcraft 11. Grand Theft Auto V 12. Xenoblade Chronicles 13. Okami 14. Secret of Mana 15. Dark Souls 3 16. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 17. Mass Effect 2 18. The Secret of Monkey Island 19. Half-Life 2 20. Goldeneye (1997) 21. Super Mario 64 22. Day of the Tentacle 23. The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask 24. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 25. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 26. Diablo III 27. Metal Gear Solid 28. Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire 29. Portal 2 30. Deus Ex 31. XCOM: Enemy Unknown 32. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth 33. No One Lives Forever 2 34. Mega Man X 35. Mario Kart 64 36. Batman: Arkham Knight 37. Bioshock 38. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis 39. To the Moon 40. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 41. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault 42. Shovel Knight 43. Super Mario Kart 44. Dead Space 2 45. Jagged Alliance 2 46. Rocket League 47. Counter-Strike 48. Dead Space 49. Baten Kaitos 50. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind 51. Metroid Prime 52. Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 53. God of War II 54. Secret of Evermore 55. Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders 56. Gears of War 2 57. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive 58. Final Fantasy VIII 59. Gears of War 3 60. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 61. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 62. The Walking Dead: Season 1 63. Super Castlevania IV 64. Max Payne 65. Undertale 66. Borderlands 2 67. Tomb Raider (1996) 68. Final Fantasy VII 69. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 70. Gears of War 71. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes 72. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate 73. The Last of Us 74. Batman: Arkham City 75. Battlefield 1942 76. Planescape: Torment 77. Quake III: Arena 78. Resident Evil 4 79. Rise of the Tomb Raider 80. Grand Theft Auto IV 81. Child of Light 82. Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End 83. Fallout 2 84. Contra III: The Alien Wars 85. F.E.A.R. 86. Baldur’s Gate 87. Assassin’s Creed Brotherhood 88. Kingdom Hearts II 89. Sid Meier’s Pirates! (1987) 90. Fallout 3 91. Chrono Trigger 92. Civilization V 93. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption 94. Pokemon Red and Blue 95. Super Meat Boy 96. Dragon Age: Origins 97. South Park: The Stick of Truth 98. Tomb Raider 3 99. Super Metroid 100. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time |
Assuming these lists pass muster, additions will be as follows: Sid Meier's Pirates!, Super Castlevania IV, Micro Machines, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Sensible Soccer, Alone in the Dark, Mega Man X. Plants vs. Zombies, and Shovel Knight. Phediuk ( talk) 08:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Why is the requirement at least six sources? 2605:A601:AE93:F400:BD21:E86F:4B4B:4F43 ( talk) 16:42, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
So NerdCubed, aka Daniel Hardcastle, is a well-known and popular gamer who, asides from his Youtube Channel, is both the head of a company that has made a few games, and focuses a lot on gaming reviews as well as gameplay.
Because the channel/group/company seems to not be that different from the already-accepted Electric Playground Network, I simply ask that NerdCube's Top 100 Video Games of All Time list be accepted as the newest publication (the wiki list provides links to every section of the youtube list, with each playlist having 10 of the games on the list).
NerdCubed, 2016
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100 - Evil Genius 99 - World of Goo 98 - Super Monkey Ball Deluxe 97 - Pokemon Red / Blue and possibly Yellow 96 - Fuel 95 - Armadillo Run 94 - DMC: Devil May Cry 93 - Burnout: Paradise 92 - Star Trek: Voyager Elite Force 91 - PixelJunk Shooter Ultimate 90 - Thomas Was Alone 89 - Resident Evil 4 88 - Gunpoint 87 - Far Cry 3 86 - Just Cause 2 85 - Broforce 84 - Spelunky 83 - Euro Truck Simulator 2 82 - Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri 81 - Beyond Good & Evil 80 - Batman: Arkham Asylum 79 - Star Wars: Battlefront II (PC Version ONLY) 78 - Tomb Raider 3 77 - N++ 76 - ReVolt 75 - Driver 74 - Far Cry 2 73 - Soulcalibur 2 72 - Grow Home 71 - Scott Pilgrim 70 - Age of Empires II 69- Plants vs Zombies 68 - Terraria 67 - Stacking 66 - Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3 65 - Hitman: Blood Money 64 - WWE 2k16 63 - Animal Crossing: New Leaf 62 - Dishonored 61 - Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear 60 - Ratchet & Clank 3 59 - Rocket League 58 - Wario Land 3 57 - Left 4 Dead 2 56 - Black 55 - Spore 54 - Liero 53 - Tearaway (PS Vita Version) 52 - Metroid: Zero Mission 51 - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 50 - Prince of Persia: Warrior Within 49 - Psychonauts 48 - The World Ends with You 47 - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 46 - Cities: Skylines 45 - Antichamber 44 - Theme Hospital (Rebecca's #1) 43 - Metal Gear Solid 3 42 - Devil May Cry 41 - Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 40 - Just Cause 3 39 - The Stanley Parable 38 - TimeSplitters: Future Perfect 37 - Crush 36 - Elite Beat Agents 35 - Job Simulator 34 - Worms: Armageddon 33 - LittleBigPlanet 2 32 - Kerbal Space Program 31 - Minecraft 30 - Spec Ops: The Line 29 - The Legends of Zelda: Link's Awakening 28 - Red Faction: Guerilla 27 - Fable III 26 - Yu-Gi-Oh! Tag Force 5 25 - Burnout 3: Takedown 24 - Sins of a Solar Empire 23 - Spider-Man 2 (not the PC Version) 22 - Prison Architect 21 - Mirror's Edge 20 - Red Dead Redemption 19 - Papers, Please 18 - Metal Gear Solid 2 17 - Bastion 16 - Saints Row 2 15 - The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 14 - Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 13 - The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth 12 - Fallout 4 11 - FTL: Faster than Light 10 - The Sims 9 - Grand Theft Auto V 8 - RollerCoaster Tycoon 2 7 - Dungeon Keeper 6 - SSX 3 5 - Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 4 - RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 3 - Portal 2 - Shadow of the Colossus 1 - Bully |
If this is accepted, then the following games will get their 6th required listing and thus have enough listings to be put on the page:
1. Paper's Please (2013)
2. Plants vs. Zombies (2009)
The following games with currently 4 entries that (if this is accepted) will be bumped up to 5 entries (and thus should bare watching) are:
1. Worms: Armageddon
2. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
3. The Stanley Parable
4. SSX3
5. Far Cry 2
6. Elite: Beat Agents
I once tried to put in NerdCubed as a reference before since I wasn't aware it needed talk page approval at the time (for which I apolgize), but if Electric Playground Network can get approved, then to me NerdCubed is just as reliable a gaming list source.
Eseseso ( talk) 19:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)Eseseso
Would the hall of fame lists by Shacknews and Strong National Museum of Play count as reliable sources for the article? Both essentially serve the same function as a regular "greatest games of all time" lists and are decided by a group of editors rather than voters, and Shacknews is listed on Wikipedia:VG/RS as a reliable source.
https://www.shacknews.com/article/128105/shacknews-hall-of-fame?page=5#detail-view
https://www.museumofplay.org/exhibits/world-video-game-hall-of-fame/inducted-games/
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 23:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
GamingBolt has a list of the "Top 98 greatest video games ever made" (12 and 76 aren't there for some reason), but it doesn't say if it was chosen by editors or by voters. GamingBolt is a reliable source according to Wikipedia:VG/RS, but I'm unsure if this list has already been proposed or not.
https://gamingbolt.com/top-98-greatest-video-games-ever-made
Is there any list of countdowns and such that have been rejected? I don't want to spam this page too much with lists that have already been rejected.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 21:01, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
Hi,
Just curious, why did this site decide to make the minimum amount of lists a game needs to be on to be on the page six lists and not 5?
Just seems kind of odd to me, since 5 seems, in a strange way, simpler and less random than just 6.
Could this be changed in the future? Eseseso ( talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)Eseseso
I’ve found a print book I believe is suitable for incorporation, but as its reliability has not been determined, I submit it to you first for your appraisal. The book is Game On! From Pong to Oblivion – The 50 Greatest Video Games of All Time (2006). A sample entry can be viewed here. First, the publisher is Headline Publishing Group, a real publisher, so this is not some vanity project. Second, all three of the book’s authors have career credentials in the video game industry: David McCarthy was previously a staff member for Edge, and worked for Rockstar Games, per his profile here. Ste Curran also wrote for Edge, and has worked as a developer and delivered many lectures on game design at conferences etc., and wrote the book Game Plan: Great Designs that Changed the Face of Computer Gaming. Simon Byron has written for PCGamesN, Gamesindustry.biz, and Game Developer (aka Gamasutra), among other publications. The trio have collaborated on other books, also, such as The Complete Guide to Game Development, Art, and Design and The Art of Producing Games; they also formerly had a group blog, The Triforce, as well as an affiliated gaming podcast, One Life Left. Additionally, a quick Google search shows that the book has been cited several times in academic gaming journals. Finally, the book’s list meets the other criteria, too: editor-chosen, clearly about the best games, and no platform/era/genre restrictions. Here is a transcription of the list (which is unranked):
Game On! From Pong to Oblivion, 2006
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Advance Wars: Dual Strike Animal Crossing: Wild World Asteroids Bangai-O Battlefield 1942 Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars Call of Duty 2 Civilization II Command & Conquer Dance Dance Revolution Dead or Alive 4 The Elder Scrolls IV : Oblivion Elite Eye Toy: Play Final Fantasy VII F-Zero GX Goldeneye Grand Theft Auto 3 Gran Turismo 4 Guitar Hero Half Life Halo Ico Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy Jet Set Radio Future The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Lumines Madden NFL 06 Mario Kart DS Metal Gear Solid Outrun Pac-Man Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire Pong Pro Evolution Soccer 5 Resident Evil 4 Rez Ridge Racer The Sims Soul Calibur II Space Invaders Street Fighter II Super Mario 64 Super Mario Bros. Tetris Tomb Raider (1996) Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 3 Virtua Tennis Warioware, Inc: Mega Microgame$! World of Warcraft |
I will await comments here regarding the source’s reliability before incorporating this list. Phediuk ( talk) 00:45, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Since this game has been showing up on best games lists recently, I want to bring up an interesting question.
First of all, I haven’t played the game, so I’m in no position to address the game’s qualities and drawbacks.
However, I have heard a lot of people (the general gaming audience) complain about the game greatly for one reason or another—despite the praise from critics.
Is this a situation where the game COULD be added even though the general consensus is the game is lackluster? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's a possible list from PC & Tech Authority. They were an Australian computer magazine who were acquired in 2018 by Future Publishing Australia and folded into APC. While their website has been gone for a while, I did find an archive of their list:
Interestingly enough, the selection process or so seems to have had Hyper's involvement (who already have three lists accounted for), but there was no open voting from readers; just journalists and editors making the decision as to which games made the cut, none of which were limited by any specific category (year, platform, genre, etc.) Only two entries from this list couldn't be counted, as Pokemon and DanceDanceRevolution were listed as the entire series, rather than specific games from either.
PC and Tech Authority 2013
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I will leave this list up for discussion to see if people think it meets the criteria or not. -- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 04:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't know how common this type of proposal is, but I'm making one. I've got a few ideas that I believe, if put into the criteria, could make this article better, and better represent what's considered the best by the majority of the gaming community.
1) Allow "Reader's Choice" and polls to be added as sources, as long as the source that took the poll is notable. I believe that they should be added because they provide a way better look into the gaming community's general reception of a game than editor teams and publication staffs. (although, those should still be sources too.)
2) To expand on 1, it might help if Wikipedia editors had the chance to vote for their favorite game, with whatever game getting the most votes getting one source counting towards their inclusion in this article.
3) The reliability of the source shouldn't matter unless they're unreliable really often, because it's all opinion-based when it comes to the Best Games Ever. (If the people that read the Looper argument I was in on this talk page are seeing this, that isn't why I'm proposing this lmao.)
4) Increasing the required amount of sources from 6 to 7. I propose this for multiple reasons: Adding that extra source insures that more of the games on this list truly stand out among other games in the eyes of the gaming community, quite a few of these sources have LOTS of games on their list and a 500th place has the same amount of weight as a 1st place in this article, and we really don't have a way to change that right now. It also helps the list not become taken over by Nintendo games, and if my other proposals are accepted, then this NEEDS to be done to balance the amount of games that will be able to get on this list a lot easier.
I feel like this post should get bumped up or something like that so it can get as much feedback as possible, both in support and in opposition.
Thanks for reading this way too long post, and please provide your opinions on these. EDIT: It'd be nice if you pinged me when replying, too.
SpiderBreadIRL ( talk) 22:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Found a list on the Polish website PPE.pl. Despite it being a short list, there doesn't appear to be any limitations on what games got chosen (i.e. platform, publisher, year, etc.) and it was all decided by the editors themselves. I'm aware of it lacking some games that usually show up on
https://www.ppe.pl/publicystyka/210354/top-15-gier-wszech-czasow--redakcja-ppe-wybiera.html
PPE.pl, 2021
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15. Red Dead Redemption 2 14. Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation 13. Crash Team Racing 12. Another World 11. Need for Speed: Most Wanted 2005 10. Bloodborne 9. Tomb Raider 1996 8. God of War 2018 7. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 6. Metal Gear Solid 5. Silent Hill 2 4. Mass Effect 2 3. Final Fantasy VII 2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 1. The Last of Us |
Gonna leave this up for further discussion.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 23:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Now, here’s something interesting. I was digging around to see if there were any usable lists from before 1995, and I actually found one that looks good: the book The Greatest Games: The 93 Best Computer Games of All Time, from 1985, which chronicles "all the best electronic games." It is written by Dan Gutman and Shay Addams, two former editors of Computer Games Magazine (some covers visible here -- issue 6 indicates it included both console and home computer coverage), and published by Compute!'s book publishing arm, meaning it looks rock solid as a RS. I was surprised at how well-informed the write-ups are; I didn’t realize that this much information was out there in 1985, but the authors clearly know their stuff about as well as was possible then. Unlike Compute! itself, the authors of this book use the term "computer games" to mean the entire medium of electronic games, of which they consider "video games" to be a subset (i.e., consoles and arcades). They refer to Pong, for instance, as a computer game (p. vii), saying, "Computer game playing has come a long way since the days of Pong"; Space Invaders is treated the same way, saying, "Space Invaders caused an adrenaline rush that addicted many of us to computer games" (p. 224). The book in general also considers arcade games in general to be computer games, hence this quote: "While it's true that the early days of arcade games were dominated by the hand-eye, blow-their-brains- out twitch games for kids, they're only a small part of it all today. Computer games have grown up" (p. 53). So, the term "computer game" should not be construed to mean simply home computer platforms. The selections bear this logic out: the authors list numerous arcade games, discussing a few of them (such as Pac-Man and Missile Command) solely as arcade games, without discussing the home versions at all. Furthermore, while consoles are a pretty minor part of the book, it does still recommend the Atari 2600 version of Demon Attack and 5200 version of Robotron specifically, as well as listing console versions in all relevant entries, so they don’t actually exclude any platforms. Therefore, the book meets all criteria: reliable source (and publisher), editor-chosen, clearly about best games, no platform/era/genre restrictions. The entries are unranked and grouped by loose categories. I’ve transcribed this list in the order the games appear in the book:
The Greatest Games, 1985
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Star League Baseball One-on-One Summer Games International Soccer Ballblazer Jumpman and Jumpman Jr. (dual entry) Hard Hat Mack Miner 2049er Spy’s Demise Popeye Operation Whirlwind Knights of the Desert Combat Leader Pole Position Turbo Pitstop Rally Speedway Sargon III Fax Intellectual Decathlon Oil’s Well Ms. Pac-Man Juice Boulder Dash Kid Grid Space Taxi Zork Planetfall The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy Cutthroats Earthly Delights Dragonworld Fahrenheit 451 The Mask of the Sun Lucifer’s Realm Mindshadow Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord Ultima III: Exodus Xyphus Sundog: Frozen Legacy Timeship: Murder at the End of Time Blue Max Demon Attack Turmoil Repton (C64) Zaxxon Astro Chase Beach-Head Minit Man Dimension X Crossfire Shamus: Case II Defender Robotron 2084 Rescue on Fractalus Choplifter Fort Apocalypse Rescue Squad Oil Barons M.U.L.E. Millionaire Run for the Money Ken Uston’s Professional Blackjack Deadline The Witness (1983) Suspect Murder on the Zinderneuf Murder by the Dozen Drol Frogger Preppie Q*bert Pogo Joe Space Invaders Pac-Man Donkey Kong Centipede Missile Command Mastertype The Seven Cities of Gold Snooper Troops Agent USA The Arcade Machine Lode Runner Pinball Construction Set Night Mission Pinball Adventure Construction Set Archon: The Light and the Dark Castle Wolfenstein and Beyond Castle Wolfenstein (dual entry) Flight Simulator and Flight Simulator II (dual entry) Spare Change Aztec Realm of Impossibility |
If there are no objections to this list, I'll go ahead and incorporate it; Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord and Archon: The Light and the Dark will be added to the page. Phediuk ( talk) 08:25, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
This site has recently released it's top 100 games of all time, should we add this publication ? Shank19112000 ( talk) 05:44, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Found a list from a Greek gaming website called GameOver.gr. I already sent it to WP:VG/S for evaluation on whether it can be considered reliable or not, so until I get a result, I'm gonna leave this list here. No limitations on games as far as I know, and the list didn't have any audience voting/participation involved.
https://www.gameover.gr/2005/03/28/ta-20-kalytera-paixnidia-olon-ton-epoxon-part-1/
https://www.gameover.gr/2005/04/01/ta-20-kalytera-paixnidia-olon-ton-epoxon-part-2/
https://www.gameover.gr/2005/04/07/ta-20-kalytera-paixnidia-olon-ton-epoxon-part-3/
https://www.gameover.gr/2005/04/13/ta-20-kalytera-paixnidia-olon-ton-epoxon-part-4/
The 20 best games of all time - GameOver.gr, 2005
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20. Resident Evil 4 19. Super Mario 64 18. Ms. Pac-Man 17. Virtua Tennis 16. Galaga 15. Tomb Raider 14. Baldur's Gate 13. Doom 12. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 11. Tetris 10. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 9. Pro Evolution Soccer 4 8. Metroid Prime 7. Soulcalibur II 6. Halo 5. GoldenEye 4. Metal Gear Solid 3. Final Fantasy VII 2. Half-Life 2 1. Ico |
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 09:15, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
I found a Looper "Best Video Games of All Time" List, would it count? It's from this year, earlier this month, in fact, and written by their staff. 98 Best Video Games of All Time I think it would count, just making sure that nobody else objects.
Looper's 98 Best Video Games of All Time, published 05/04/22
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Ms. Pac-Man, RollerCoaster Tycoon, Galaga, Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors , Myst, Firewatch, The World Ends With You, Spec Ops: The Line, Sam & Max Save the World, Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair, Sly 2: Band of Thieves, Journey, Gears of War 3, Hades, Viewtiful Joe, Devil May Cry 5, Dragon Quest 8: Journey of the Cursed King, Team Fortress 2, Hollow Knight, Borderlands 2, Kentucky Route Zero, Doki Doki Literature Club,Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal, Okami, Batman: Arkham City,Horizon Zero Dawn, Psychonauts, Outer Wilds, Dead Cells, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, Yakuza 6: The Song of Life, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl (Two different games grouped in one spot), Shin Megami Tensei 5, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, Katamari Damacy, Alan Wake, Grim Fandango, Undertale, Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, Pokemon Legends: Arceus, Knights of the Old Republic, Persona 4, Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception, Yakuza 0, Harvest Moon 64, Fallout: New Vegas, Pikmin, Tekken 3, StarCraft 2, BioShock, Grand Theft Auto 4, Animal Crossing: New Horizons, God of War (2018), Metal Gear Solid, Bloodborne, System Shock 2, Earthbound, Donkey Kong Country, Tetris, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, The Sims, League of Legends, Diablo 2, Elden Ring, Persona 5 Royal, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Doom, Super Mario Bros., Fallout 3, Resident Evil 4, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Grand Theft Auto 5, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, Silent Hill 2, The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim, Metroid Prime, World of Warcraft, Halo 3, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (titled "Zelda: Ocarina of Time" in the article), Half-Life 2, Dark Souls, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, Street Fighter 2, Red Dead Redemption 2, Minecraft, Shadow of the Colossus, Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green (once again two games in the same spot), Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 7, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Super Metroid, Portal 2, The Last of Us, Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017) (Titled "Breath of the Wild" in the article), Super Mario 64 |
Now that I'm done copying and pasting video game titles, I've got a few questions related to what counts and doesn't count as a video game for this list:
1) Would a game compliation count as a different game from the games in it? For instance, if Super Mario 3D All-Stars had six sources saying it was the best, would that game be added to the Wiki page as if it was a stand-alone game, or would the games in it be added to the wiki page?
2) Also, if they were remastered, like the Crash Bandicoot N-Sane Trilogy or Sonic Orgins, would that count as its own game?
3) Are VR games allowed on the list?
4) If a now closed MMO met the criteria, like Club Penguin, would it be added?
Thanks, and sorry for the super long post,
SpiderBreadIRL (
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WatchMojo Top Ten
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Goldeneye 007, Resident Evil 4, The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, Mass Effect 2, Portal 2, Chrono Trigger, Super Mario World, Half Life 2, Tetris, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time |
1. First off, is the book "The Gamer's Bucket List: 50 games to play before you die" by Chris Watters a potentially reliable source (like the currently accepted 1001 games to play before you die)? I mean, I haven't been able to actually find a way to read the book online, but if anyone else has the book, it seems to me like it may be a reliable source (since it doesn't seem different from the other accepted books that list the best games of all time).
2. Is the list of " 101 video games to play before you die" by Two Beard Gaming a potential reliable source?
I mean, the site of Two Beard Gaming is already used as a source in at least one wikipedia article.
If it is accepted, then Perfect Dark and Theme Park will each get their 6th entry and thus be added to the page.
Eseseso ( talk) 20:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)Eseseso
So I may have come across a list from Gamereactor that isn't integrated into the article, this time coming from their Denmark branch. I did some cross-referencing with the Gamereactor list already being used, and it turns out this is a completely different one, as well as a more recent one. For starters, this list is from 2017, rather than 2011. Aside from that, it explicitly states that it was decided upon by the editorial staff, and there don't appear to be any limitations in place based on platform, year of release, genre, etc.
https://www.gamereactor.dk/artikler/438333/Gamereactors+Top+100+bedste+spil+nogensinde+101/
Gamereactor.dk's Top 100 Best Games Ever, 2017
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100. Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft 99. Dead Rising 98. Burnout: Revenge 97. Deus Ex: Human Revolution 96. Lost Odyssey 95. Rainbow Six: Vegas 94. Rocket League 93. Street Fighter V 92. Poy! Poy! 91. BioShock Infinite 90. Secret of Mana 89. Xenoblade Chronicles 88. Myst 87. Resident Evil 2 86. TimeSplitters 85. Beyond Good & Evil 84. SSX On Tour 83. Spyro the Dragon 82. Forza Horizon 2 81. Valkyria Chronicles 80. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 79. Hitman: Blood Money 78. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! 77. Persona 4 Golden 76. SimCity 2000 75. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 74. Silent Hill 2 73. Borderlands 72. Kingdom Hearts 71. Call of Duty 2 70. Onimusha 2: Samurai's Destiny 69. Battlefield: Vietnam 68. Super Mario World 67. Final Fantasy VI 66. God of War III 65. Super Smash Bros. Melee 64. Tekken 3 63. Gears of War 2 62. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 61. Okami 60. Skate 2 59. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening 58. Contra 57. Limbo 56. Gran Turismo 2 55. Counter-Strike 54. Wii Sports 53. Micro-Maniacs 52. Earthbound 51. Dead Space 50. Mass Effect 2 49. Half-Life 48. Heavy Rain 47. Ico 46. Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped 45. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 44. Age of Empires II: Age of Kings 43. Rayman 42. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 41. Pokemon: Red & Blue 40. Max Payne 39. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 38. Portal 37. Fallout 3 36. The Walking Dead: Season One 35. Diablo 2 34. Grand Theft Auto V 33. Grim Fandango 32. Mega Man 2 31. Alan Wake 30. Sid Meier's Pirates (2004) 29. Knights of the Old Republic 28. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 27. Doom (1993) 26. Tetris (1984) 25. World of Warcraft 24. Journey 23. Shadow of the Colossus 22. The Last of Us 21. GoldenEye 007 20. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 19. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 18. Halo 2 17. Super Mario Bros. 3 16. Inside 15. Half-Life 2 14. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 13. Chrono Trigger 12. BioShock 11. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 10. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 9. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 8. Resident Evil 4 7. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 5. Dark Souls 4. Red Dead Redemption 3. Final Fantasy VII 2. Uncharted 4: A Thief's End 1. Super Mario Galaxy |
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:48, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Issue with the spreadsheet, or included on the main list by mistake? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.28.51.191 ( talk) 16:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm personally curious to see it that way. If not possible, is there an off-wiki version of this list that is sorted that way?
Games with highest number of lists --> to games with six lists. Neocorelight ( Talk) 11:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
The Spanish edition of GQ updated their Top 100 list in 2020.
GQ, 2020
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100. Barbarian 99. NBA 2K13 98. Firewatch 97. Superbrothers: Sword & Sorcery 96. Counter-Strike: Source 95. Overwatch 94. Metroid Prime 93. The Witness 92. Horizon Zero Dawn 91. Grim Fandango 90. Pitfall! 89. Cuphead 88. Super Mario Kart 87. Ikaruga 86. Fortnite 85. Final Fantasy VII 84. Spider-Man (2018) 83. Simcity 2000 82. Shenmue 81. Untitled Goose Game 80. Tomb Raider (1996) 79. Skate 78. Minecraft 77. Left 4 Dead 2 76. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2 75. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 74. Civilization IV 73. Gears of War 2 72. Sonic the Hedgehog 71. Okami 70. Advance Wars 69. Team Fortress 2 68. Diablo 2 67. Mega Man 2 66. Braid 65. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 64. Journey 63. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 62. Dark Souls 61. Batman: Arkham City 60. Super Mario Galaxy 2 59. Mass Effect 2 58. World of Warcraft 57. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 56. Shadow of the Colossus 55. Super Metroid 54. Shadow of the Beast (1989) 53. Borderlands 2 52. Just Cause 2 51. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 50. Rock Band 49. Black 48. Castle of Illusion (1990) 47. Panzer Dragoon 46. Destiny 45. La abadía del crimen 44. Metal Slug 43. Psychonauts 42. Lemmings 41. Arkanoid: Revenge of Doh 40. Animal Crossing: New Horizons 39. The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim 38. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 37. Contra 3: The Alien Wars 36. Gradius 5 35. Chrono Trigger 34. Max Payne 3 33. Quake 32. Mortal Kombat (1992) 31. Outrun 30. Deus Ex 29. Popeye 28. Wipeout HD 27. Bayonetta 26. Bioshock Infinite 25. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 24. Halo 23. Final Fight 22. Dishonored 21. X-COM: UFO Defense 20. Fallout 2 19. Ghosts 'n Goblins 18. Manhunt 17. Burnout Paradise 16. Street Fighter 2 15. R-Type 14. Super Hexagon 13. Donkey Kong 12. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 11. Tetris 10. God Hand 9. The Secret of Monkey Island 8. Red Dead Redemption 7. Resident Evil 4 6. The Last of Us: Part II 5. Half-Life 2 4. Silent Hill 2 3. Super Mario World 2. Pac-Man 1. Portal 2 |
I don't know if the list qualifies any game to the list. -- Dreamer plox ( talk) 20:20, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
At what point, if any point, would the inclusion criteria go up from 6 to 7? Is it possible the list becomes too unwieldy in the future and the source requirements would have to be increased to keep the list to just the very best games? 2605:A601:AE93:F400:9C15:A7C5:588F:88A2 ( talk) 01:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
I think the source requirment should be increased. Right now there are so many games on this page that it kind of defeats the point of having a page like this. Especially when there is so many from a single year like 2002. It gives a biased viewpoint. Swordman97 talk to me 22:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Say for a thought that Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles meets the criteria for inclusion.
Would it be entered as two separate games: “Sonic the Hedgehog 3” and “Sonic & Knuckles”, or together as “Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles”? Since that was the original plan for the game’s release. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 20:38, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
As a Brazilian, I tried to find some sources from here to add to the article and I think I found one. Brazilian magazine Super GamePower ( pt:Super GamePower) published a list of the best games of all time (os melhores games de todos os tempos) in 2001, of which you can find a screenshot here. According to this page, it was created by the magazine's team/writing crew. (Just to clarify, the list itself is a "poster magazine" included separately from the magazine issue itself, but it was sold alongside it). The magazine was one of the biggest in Brazil regarding gaming, and it is used in EarthBound in the reception section. Like #"The 20 best games of all time" - GameOver.gr, I will send it to WP:VG/RS, but I will leave the list here for now.
Super GamePower, 2001
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20. Street Fighter Zero 19. Mega Man 2 18. Tomb Raider 17. Gran Turismo 16. Daytona USA 15. Super Contra 14. Super Metroid 13. Sonic the Hedgehog 12. Doom 11. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 10. Resident Evil 2 9. Final Fight 8. Chrono Trigger 7. Final Fantasy IV 6. Final Fantasy VII 5. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 4. Super Mario World 3. Street Fighter II 2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 1. Metal Gear Solid |
If approved, Final Fantasy IV will be added to the main page. Skyshifter talk 02:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Source would look something like that:
Skyshifter talk 02:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
Sometimes eligible lists are hiding in plain sight. British magazine GamesMaster did a "Top 100 Games of All Time" list in issue #44, published in 1996. It says it was chosen in consultation with "the elite of publishers and developers from all over the world", meaning it was chosen in similar fashion as the GameSpy and 2021 GamesRadar lists. Reader votes are expressly excluded from the list, being shunted into a separate reader poll. The list also fills all other criteria: it is explicitly about "what's best", per its preamble; it is not bound by any platform/era/genre restrictions; and it's clearly a RS, GamesMaster having been one of the bigger UK games mags in the 90s. So, if there are no objections, I'll go ahead and incorporate it. You may peruse the list for yourself starting on page 74 of the issue here.
GamesMaster, 1996
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1. Doom (1993) 2. Command & Conquer 3. Super Mario World 4. Duke Nukem 3D 5. Defender 6. Civilization II 7. Tetris 8. Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 9. Street Fighter II Turbo 10. Super Bomberman 2 11. Elite 12. Tekken 2 13. Virtua Fighter 2 14. Resident Evil (1996) 15. Quake test (I’m assuming this means they tried a prerelease build; will not be counted) 16. Super Mario Kart 17. Tempest 2000 18. Gauntlet 19. Bubble Bobble 20. Bust-a-Move 2 21. Dune II 22. Syndicate (1993) 23. Ridge Racer (1993) 24. Sega Rally Championship 25. Formula One Grand Prix 26. Magic Carpet 27. Magic Carpet 2 28. Donkey Kong Country 29. Monkey Island II: LeChuck’s Revenge 30. Pilotwings 31. Daytona USA 32. Virtua Racing 33. Mercenary 34. International Superstar Soccer Deluxe 35. Mortal Kombat II 36. Sensible World of Soccer 37. Gradius 38. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 39. Robotron 2084 40. Micro Machines 2 41. Wipeout 42. Dungeon Master 43. Street Fighter Alpha 44. Destruction Derby 45. Yoshi’s Island 46. Alien Trilogy 47. Wing Commander 48. X-COM: UFO Defense 49. Tekken 50. Fade to Black 51. Return Fire 52. Cannon Fodder 53. Star Trek: The Next Generation – A Final Unity 54. Day of the Tentacle 55. Super Castlevania IV 56. Stonekeep 57. Commando 58. Bug! 59. Flashback 60. Scramble 61. Micro Machines ‘96 62. Hired Guns 63. Galaxian 64. Raiden 65. NHL ‘94 66. Star Wars: TIE Fighter 67. Worms 68. Wings 69. Ecstatica 70. Simcity 2000 71. The Beast Within: A Gabriel Knight Mystery 72. Ultima VII: The Black Gate 73. Wizardry VI: Bane of the Cosmic Forge 74. MiG 29: Soviet Fighter 75. The Dig 76. Way of the Exploding Fist 77. Sonic the Hedgehog 78. Discworld 79. Rainbow Islands 80. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 81. Mortal Kombat (1992) 82. Stargate 83. Punch-Out (arcade) 84. Smash TV 85. Actua Soccer 86. Chuckie Egg 87. The Need for Speed 88. Total NBA 89. PGA European Tour 90. Road Rash (1991) 91. Little Big Adventure 92. Cool Spot 93. Llamatron 94. Killer Instinct 95. Truxton 96. Rock ‘n’ Roll Racing 97. Battlezone (1980) 98. Twisted Metal 99. Super Mario Bros. 3 100. Golden Axe |
Should this list be incorporated, Battlezone, Dungeon Master, Ultima VII: The Black Gate, Ridge Racer, Tempest 2000, Virtua Fighter 2, and Worms will all be added to the page. Phediuk ( talk) 09:47, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
In addition to the 1996 list already posted, GamesMaster also did an "All-Time Top 100" in issue #21, September 1994, which I have not been able to find despite a considerable search. The issue itself is scanned right here, but the Top 100, which is in a separate 16-page poster book included with the magazine, has proven elusive. One user over on dormant GamesMaster fan forum bookofthedead.ws apparently scanned the whole book not once, but twice, as evidenced in the first several posts on this page. However, one needs an active account to view the images, and since no one has posted on the forum for almost 2 years, there's no one around to activate new accounts. So, there's no way to see the list. So, I'll ask here: can anyone find this list? Does anyone have it? I tried. Phediuk ( talk) 08:00, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Here's another elusive list I'm going to mention here, for the record, this time from one of GamesMaster's chief competitors, British multi-format magazine Games World. With its issue #7 (January 1995), Games World published a supplementary book titled "Classics: 50 Games Without Equal", which the cover of the issue in question describes as "The best of the very best". Archive.org, as linked, features scans of the whole issue, except for the supplement. Unlike with the GamesMaster example above, I haven't even been able to find a trace of the list elsewhere on the net. All I know is that it evidently exists. Phediuk ( talk) 11:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
I found the 2018 issue of Hyper with its greatest games list, issue 269. The list, titled "The 200 Games You Must Play", runs from pages 10 to 35 and from pages 74 to 99. Unfortunately, I am (probably) not allowed to link to the PDF due to uncertainties related to copyright (hopefully, that is not a criterion criterion for source inclusion), but I will say that it was accessible on the website Retro CDN as of this post.
Two years ago, an editor attempted to access the article themself.
Free
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Kid$
06:50, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Phediuk: I know it is not related to this discussion, but are you sure that Polygon does not list Fable II as one of the 500 greatest games? Because I see a Fable 2 on this page of the website, ranked 485th with the right release year and original platform, unless I am thinking of a different game. Free Media Kid$ 18:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
Bingo. I was wondering if any of the old 80s game magazines had done a best-games list, and sure enough, there's at least one. The cover story for Vol. 2 No. 5 (March 1984) of Electronic Fun with Computers & Games is "The 50 Best Games", in which the EF staff chooses their "all-time favorite games". Although EF's reliability has never been appraised on WP:VG/S, it is frequently cited in articles for games from this era, especially for reviews. I have little doubt it would pass as a RS. The list meets all other criteria too, being staff-chosen, framed as "best games of all time", and not subject to any platform restrictions. The list may be viewed in the scans here, beginning on page 22. The list is unranked and in alphabetical order; I recorded Zombies under its more common title Realm of Impossibility for consistency in the omnibus data.
Electronic Fun with Computers & Games, 1984
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Archon: The Light and the Dark Aztec Berzerk Blockade Runner Burgertime Centipede Choplifter David’s Midnight Magic Deadline Demon Attack Donkey Kong Jr. Epidemic Escape from the Mindmaster Forbidden Forest Happy Trails Jumpman Junior The Last Gladiator Micro Surgeon Miner 2049er Missile Command Moondust Monty Plays Scrabble Mouse Trap Ms. Pac-Man Necromancer Operation Whirlwind Pepper II Phaser Patrol Pirate Adventure Pitfall Pole Position Q*bert River Raid Robot Tank Rocky (Colecovision) Shamus Shark! Shark! Space Shuttle (Atari 2600) Spare Change Star Castle Super Action Baseball Swords & Serpents Tennis (Atari 5200) Time Zone Flight Simulator (Timex/Sinclair) Tunnel Runner War Room Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord Zaxxon Realm of Impossibility |
No games will be added to the page once this list is incorporated, but hey, it's another list. Phediuk ( talk) 13:04, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
A French newspaper of record called Le Monde apparently has its own list of 100 best games, from December 2020. Unfortunately, I cannot determine whether this list is really the newspaper's compilation of the greatest games and the reasoning behind their inclusions, or whether it is just a list of games they recommend, because of a silly paywall. On the surface, though, based on my Google search, it does seem to cover games for any platform from any year. Anyone who has access to the source is welcome to check. Free Media Kid$ 01:17, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, not majorly important, but just wanted to point out that the game 999: Nine Persons, Nine Hours, Nine Doors is listed twice in the excel spreadsheet at the top of the page, once as "999: Nine Persons, Nine Hours, Nine Doors" and once as just "Nine Persons, Nine Hours, Nine Doors". I checked and it seems to be because the two lists that it is featured on use these two different spellings. 2A00:23C6:8281:A501:E4B9:C01C:151C:A29E ( talk) 18:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Apparently, GQ has a list of greatest games from 2013. I compared the magazine's 2013 and 2020 lists. The lists are largely identical, except I identified twelve new games added to the latter. Out of curiosity, I checked the 2018 list currently in use to see whether it had any game not found on either version. It turned out that Bloodborne was one. I would have favored replacing the 2018 list with the 2013 and 2020 versions if not for the fact that the 2018 one lists something the other versions do not. The Wikipedia list itself would remain partly unchanged; no new titles would be added, but most of the twelve games found both there and in the GQ 2013 list would earn another citation. I strongly believe that the magazine will continue to update the list over the coming years, and its current article will soon be outdated. I am thinking that I can proceed to add the 2013 source to this list, no? Free Media Kid$ 02:37, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, the best that I can see, Persona 5 should be on this list now, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charizard777 ( talk • contribs) 22:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Found another one. CNET's affiliated gaming site Gamecenter did a feature on "The Top 40 Games of the Millennium" in January 2000. Gamecenter is already listed as a RS on WP:VG/S, so no problems there. The list is also staff-chosen, explicitly about "the top 40 games of all time--or, more accurately, the best video, computer, and arcade games", and features no restrictions by platform, genre, or era. So, I'm going to incorporate it. The list is unranked, except for Pac-Man, which it declares the best. The list also includes 15 "honorable mentions" at the end, which I guess we'll have to exclude, since they're not officially part of the list.
Gamecenter, 2000
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Asteroids Civilization II Combat (Atari 2600) Defender Diablo Donkey Kong Doom (1993) Dragon's Lair Duke Nukem 3D Final Fantasy Microsoft Flight Simulator (1982) Gauntlet Gran Turismo 2 Grim Fandango Half-Life King's Quest The Legend of Zelda Missile Command M.U.L.E. Myst Netrek Pitfall Pong Quake Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Resident Evil 2 (1998) Simcity (1989) Sonic the Hedgehog Space Invaders Star Wars (arcade) Super Mario Bros. System Shock Tetris Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar Virtua Fighter 2 Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness Wing Commander X-COM: UFO Defense Zork Pac-Man |
Once this list is incorporated, Combat and Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar will be added to the main page. Phediuk ( talk) 07:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
I thought there might be another "top games of the millennium"-type list out there, and sure enough, GameSpot's UK branch did a "100 Best Computer Games of the Millennium" list in January 2000. The list was chosen by the GameSpot UK staff in conjunction with freelancers and outside experts on a specially-created newsgroup. The list is not subject to any platform, era, or genre restrictions. It contains a large number of series and multi-game entries, which will not be counted. Many of the entries also discuss a series as a whole even if one entry is singled out as their pick, and many contain links to reviews and news coverage of then-recent entries, even if they're not otherwise discussed on the page. Consequently, I have transcribed the list under the assumption that if an entry's title does not explicitly contain more than one game (e.g., "Myst / Riven"), nor the word "series", then it is meant for an individual game. Also, the entry for The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time is titled as The Legend of Zelda, but the entry is entirely about Ocarina, so I'm using my discretion here and assuming that's what they meant.
GameSpot, 2000
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1. Civilization (series) 2. Doom (1993) 3. Command & Conquer (series) 4. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 5. Championship Manager (series) 6. Microsoft Flight Simulator 7. Simcity (1989) 8. Super Mario World 9. Tomb Raider (series) 10. Ultima (series) 11. Elite 12. Gran Turismo 13. Populous (series) 14. Everquest 15. FIFA (series) 16. Soul Calibur 17. Metal Gear Solid 18. International Cricket Captain (series) 19. Myst / Riven (dual entry) 20. Half-Life 21. Unreal (series) 22. Grim Fandango 23. Dungeon Keeper (series) 24. Age of Empires (series) 25. Final Fantasy VII & VIII (dual entry) 26. Grand Prix 1 & 2 (dual entry) 27. Alien vs. Predator (1999) 28. Alone in the Dark (1992) 29. Marble Madness 30. Goldeneye (1997) 31. TOCA 2 32. Rollercoaster Tycoon 33. Total Annihilation 34. Diablo 35. Warcraft (series) 36. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 37. Ultima Underworld 1 & 2 (dual entry) 38. Crash Bandicoot: Warped 39. Tetris 40. Wing Commander (series) 41. Star Wars: TIE Fighter / X-Wing (dual entry) 42. Worms (series) 43. Battlezone (1998) 44. Duke Nukem 3D 45. Baldur’s Gate 46. Close Combat III 47. Rally Championship 48. Mechwarrior (series) 49. Driver 50. Syndicate (series) 51. Starsiege: Tribes 52. Myth (series) 53. Battleground: Waterloo 54. Commandos (series) 55. Descent (series) 56. Zarch / Virus (dual entry) 57. Monkey Island (series) 58. Premier Manager (series) 59. System Shock (series) 60. Grand Theft Auto 61. Ready 2 Rumble Boxing 62. Homeworld 63. Street Fighter II 64. MDK 65. Gabriel Knight (series) 66. Mario Bros. (1983) 67. International Superstar Soccer (series) 68. Euro Fighter 2000 69. Tekken 2 70. Colin McRae Rally 71. X-COM (series) 72. Knight Lore 73. Total Air War 74. Player Manager / Kick Off 1&2 (triple entry) 75. Resident Evil (1996) 76. Magic Carpet (series) 77. Heroes of Might & Magic (series) 78. Dungeon Master 79. Manic Miner / Jet Set Willy (dual entry) 80. Stunt Car Racer 81. Sonic the Hedgehog 82. Dune II 83. F19/117A Stealth Fighter 84. Lords of Midnight 85. Earthworm Jim 86. Midwinter 87. Pac-Man 88. Prince of Persia (series) 89. Cannon Fodder 90. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis 91. Meridian 59 92. The Hobbit (1982) 93. Carrier Command 94. Lemmings 95. Wipeout (series) 96. VGA Planets 97. Gunship (series) 98. Head over Heels 99. Chessmaster (series) 100. Pong |
Once this list is incorporated, Grand Theft Auto will be added to the main page. Phediuk ( talk) 23:05, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
USA Today published a list called "The 100 best video games of all time, ranked" in their gaming section a few days ago. In addition to USA Today being a RS, the list is explicitly about the best games, and the games are editor-chosen and not subject to any platform/genre/era restrictions. As the list meets all criteria, I'm not seeing any reason not to incorporate it. Here's a transcription:
USA Today
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1. Shadow of the Colossus 2. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 3. Metal Gear Solid 4. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 5. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 6. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 7. Minecraft 8. Pokemon Heart Gold and Soul Silver 9. Resident Evil 4 10. Bloodborne 11. Persona 5 12. Disco Elysium 13. God of War (2018) 14. Celeste 15. It Takes Two 16. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 17. Hades 18. Final Fantasy VII 19. Tetris 20. Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty 21. Red Dead Redemption 2 22. Alien: Isolation 23. Doom (2016) 24. Half-Life: Alyx 25. Dark Souls 26. Mass Effect 2 27. League of Legends 28. Super Smash Bros. Melee 29. Xenoblade Chronicles 30. Dragon Age: Origins 31. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain 32. Dishonored 2 33. FTL: Faster than Light 34. Grand Theft Auto V 35. Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings 36. Stardew Valley 37. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 38. Elden Ring 39. Heroes of Might and Magic III 40. Nier: Automata 41. Super Mario Bros. 3 42. Sonic 3 & Knuckles 43. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 44. Hitman 3 45. Return of the Obra Dinn 46. Super Mario 64 47. Civilization IV 48. Deathloop 49. XCOM (no game specified; series?) 50. Hollow Knight 51. Need for Speed Underground 2 52. Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 53. Hotline Miami 54. Papers, Please 55. Fable 56. Thief II: The Metal Age 57. Ori and the Blind Forest 58. The Last of Us Part 1 & 2 (dual entry) 59. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 60. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 61. Resident Evil 7: Biohazard 62. Kirby Super Star 63. Undertale 64. Metroid Dread 65. Suikoden II 66. Outer Wilds 67. Final Fantasy XIV 68. Journey 69. Into the Breach 70. Rocket League 71. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 72. Apex Legends 73. Wii Sports 74. Silent Hill 2 75. World of Warcraft 76. Slay the Spire 77. Subnautica 78. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind 79. Deus Ex 80. Goldeneye (1997) 81. Skies of Arcadia 82. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 83. Genshin Impact 84. Fallout 3 85. Batman: Arkham Knight 86. Dead Rising 87. Invisible, Inc. 88. Streets of Rage 2 89. Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening 90. Firewatch 91. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 92. Fortnite 93. The Binding of Isaac 94. Crusader Kings III 95. Mega Man 2 96. Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne 97. Battlefield: Bad Company 2 98. Medieval II: Total War 99. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 100. Among Us |
If there are no objections, I'll incorporate this list shortly. Marvel vs. Capcom 2, Papers, Please, and Rocket League will all be added to the main page. Phediuk ( talk) 07:16, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
This Brazilian magazine list may fit the criteria. The list was published in edition 51 of the magazine, and appears to be editor chosen. It includes PC games, unlike the english EGM magazine. Currently I wasn't able to find a full scan of it, but I'm looking for it. Here's what I was able to get from internet pictures:
EGM Brasil
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21. Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence 22. Super Metroid 23. Gran Turismo 24. Soul Calibur 25. God of War 26. Phantasy Star 27. Adventure 28. Galaga 29. Final Fantasy III 30. Winning Eleven 8 31. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 32. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 33. Resident Evil 2 34. Kingdom Hearts 35. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 36. Final Fantasy II 37. Virtua Fighter 38. Counter Strike 39. Gradius 40. Chrono Trigger 41. Tomb Raider 42. Enduro 43. The Sims 44. Double Dragon II 45. The King of Fighters '94 46. Half Life 47. Metroid Prime 48. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles |
Dotoilage ( talk) 00:18, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
Just as a form of helpful reference for when more lists are added in the future to this page, here's a list of all the current 5-list games we have on our spreadsheet that will each go on the list should they get another list entry in the future:
Of course I will try to update this as more games get 5 entries or get their 6th entry and need to be removed from this list.
Eseseso ( talk) 17:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
The Museum of Pop Culture made a 2019 list of the top 100 games:
Museum of Pop Culture 2019
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1. Grand Theft Auto V 2. Super Mario World 3. Space Invaders 4. Minecraft 5. Fallout: New Vegas 6. Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End 7. Borderlands 2 8. Spider-Man (2018) 9. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 10. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 11. Halo: Combat Evolved 12. World of Warcraft 13. Far Cry 3 14. Dragon Age: Inquisition 15. Half-Life 2 16. Crysis 17. Street Fighter II 18. GoldenEye 007 19. Battlefield 1 20. Inside 21. Overwatch 22. Valiant Hearts: The Great War 23. Tetris 24. God of War (2005) / God of War (2018) 25. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 26. Castle Crashers 27. Super Mario Bros. 28. Limbo 29. The Oregon Trail 30. Rocket League 31. We Happy Few 32. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 33. Tomb Raider (1996) / Tomb Raider (2013) 34. Quake 35. Guild Wars 2 36. BioShock 37. Overcooked 38. No Man’s Sky 39. Wolfenstein: The New Order 40. Gears of War 2 41. Dishonored 2 42. The Last of Us 43. Rise of the Tomb Raider 44. Cuphead 45. Forza Motorsport 6 46. Red Dead Redemption 47. Destiny 48. Divinity: Original Sin II 49. Mass Effect 2 50. Mortal Kombat 3 51. Counter-Strike 52. Command & Conquer 53. Horizon: Zero Dawn 54. Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego 55. Assassin’s Creed II 56. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time 57. Deus Ex 58. Final Fantasy IX 59. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 Ranked As: Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater (Series) 60. Unreal Tournament 61. Firewatch 62. Duke Nukem 3D 63. The Order: 1886 64. Soul Calibur 65. Galaga 66. Need For Speed: Underground 2 67. ReCore 68. X-COM: UFO Defense (AKA UFO: Enemy Unknown) 69. Diablo II 70. Fable 71. StarCraft 72. Dark Souls II 73. Dead Rising 3 74. Donkey Kong 75. Call of Duty 76. NBA 2K3 Ranked As: NBA 2K (Series) 77. Dead Space 78. Titanfall 2 79. Mafia 80. Super Mario Kart 81. Resident Evil 4 82. Batman: Arkham City 83. Gran Turismo 84. Left 4 Dead 2 85. Eve Online 86. EarthBound 87. Diablo 88. Mega Man 3 89. Bloodborne 90. Devil May Cry 91. Hitman 92. SimCity 2000 93. Metroid Prime 94. Star Fox 64 (AKA Star Fox: Lylat Wars) 95. Stardew Valley 96. Ratchet & Clank 97. Microsoft Flight Simulator 98. League of Legends 99. Doom (1993) / Doom (2016) 100. Myst |
If this list is accepted, Borderlands 2 and Dishonored 2 will each get their 6th entry. Also, the following games will gain their 5th entry if this list is accepted:
1. Doom (2016) 2. Eve Online 3. Mafia 4. Titanfall 2 5. Call of duty 6. Fable 7. Firewatch 8. Horizon: Zero Dawn 9. Castle Crashers 10. Dragon Age: Inquisition
Eseseso ( talk) 17:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Here is GamingBible's 2020 list:
GamingBible 2020
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 3. Portal 2 4. Minecraft 5. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 6. Grand Theft Auto V 7. The Last of Us 8. Super Mario Galaxy 9. Super Mario Bros. 3 10. Halo 3 11. Tetris 12. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 13. Dark Souls 14. Chrono Trigger 15. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 16. Her Story 17. Batman: Arkham City 18. Metal Gear Solid 19. God of War (2018) 20. Outer Wilds 21. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 22. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal 23. Bloodborne 24. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 25. Assassin’s Creed II 26. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 27. Disco Elysium 28. Super Mario Odyssey 29. Call of Duty: Black Ops 30. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 31. Red Dead Redemption 32. Half-Life 2 33. Overwatch 34. Spider-Man (2018) 35. Resident Evil 4 36. Street Fighter II 37. Celeste 38. Final Fantasy VII 39. Rocket League 40. Prey (2017) 41. BioShock 42. Life Is Strange 43. Into the Breach 44. Tekken 3 45. Titanfall 2 46. Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen 47. Metroid Prime 48. Hades 49. Persona 5 50. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 51. Pokemon Blue/Red 52. Halo: Combat Evolved 53. Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker 54. The Secret of Monkey Island 55. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 56. Oxenfree 57. Red Dead Redemption 2 58. Dishonored 59. Gears of War 2 60. Silent Hill 2 61. Nier: Automata 62. RuneScape 63. Super Metroid 64. LittleBigPlanet 65. Fable 66. Doom (1993) 67. Super Hexagon 68. The Sims 2 69. Hitman 70. League of Legends 71. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 72. Tomb Raider II 73. Mass Effect 2 74. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (Ranked As: Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater (Series)) 75. Ori and the Will of the Wisps 76. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 77. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 78. Left 4 Dead 2 79. To the Moon 80. Thirty Flights of Loving 81. Total War: Warhammer II 82. Shadow of the Colossus 83. Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 84. Undertale 85. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Ranked As: Guitar Hero (Series)) 86. Dragon Age: Inquisition 87. Fortnite 88. Streets of Rage 2 89. Fire Emblem: Three Houses 90. Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft 91. Animal Crossing: Wild World 92. GoldenEye 007 93. Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 94. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess 95. TimeSplitters: Future Perfect 96. Soma 97. Professor Layton and the Curious Village 98. World Series Baseball 99. Assassin’s Creed IV: Black Flag 100. Dirt Rally |
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag, Fortnite, and Hearthstone would all get their 6th list entry, while Mafia, Titanfall 2, Dragon Age: Inquisition, To The Moon, Life is Strange, and Mario Kart 8 would all get their 5th entry
Eseseso ( talk) 13:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
Sorry for making yet another proposal, but this time I am certain that it is more reliable, as it is a 2007 list of Edge Magazine that includes some games that the 2000, 2015, and 2017 ones don't have (there were also a 2003 and a 2009 list but those don't fit our guidelines).
Edge 2007
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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Resident Evil 4 3. Super Mario 64 4. Half-Life 2 5. Super Mario World 6. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 7. Halo: Combat Evolved 8. Final Fantasy XII 9. Tetris 10. Super Metroid 11. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi’s Island 12. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 13. Ico 14. Super Mario Kart 15. Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Ranked As: Pro Evolution Soccer (Series) 16. Street Fighter Anniversary Collection Ranked As: Street Fighter II and Street Fighter III 17. GoldenEye 007 18. Final Fantasy VII 19. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 20. Civilization IV 21. Okami 22. World of Warcraft 23. Metroid Prime 24. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 25. SimCity 2000 26. Advance Wars 27. Rez (AKA Rez Infinite) 28. Perfect Dark 29. Deus Ex 30. Shadow of the Colossus 31. Katamari Damacy 32. Project Gotham Racing 2 33. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 34. R-Type Final 35. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 36. Battlefield 2 37. StarCraft 38. Virtua Fighter 5 39. Secret of Mana 40. WarioWare Inc: Mega Microgames! 41. Gran Turismo 4 42. Rome: Total War 43. The Bomberman Series Ranked As: Bomberman, Mega Bomberman (AKA Bomberman 94), Super Bomberman, Super Bomberman 2, and Saturn Bomberman 44. Super Monkey Ball 45. Company of Heroes 46. Quake III Arena 47. Far Cry 48. Puyo Pop Fever 49. Animal Crossing 50. Shenmue 51. Pokemon Ruby / Sapphire 52. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness 53. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 Ranked As: Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater (Series) 54. Chrono Trigger 55. Counter-Strike 56. Guitar Hero Ranked As: Guitar Hero (Series) 57. Soul Calibur 58. Tempest 2000 59. Star Fox 64 (AKA Star Fox: Lylat Wars) 60. Pac-Man Vs. 61. Manhunt 62. Jet Set Radio Future 63. Lumines 64. System Shock 2 65. Darwinia 66. F-Zero GX 67. Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 68. GTR 2 69. Pilotwings 64 70. Ridge Racer 2 (2006) 71. Ninja Gaiden (2004) 72. Killer 7 73. Bust-A-Move (AKA Puzzle Bobble) 74. Thief: The Dark Project 75. Burnout 2: Point of Impact 76. Ikaruga 77. Football Manager 2007 Ranked As: Championship Manager [1992-2003] / Football Manager [2004-Current] (Series) 78. Doom II 79. The Secret of Monkey Island 80. Virtua Tennis 2 Ranked As: Virtua Tennis (Series) 81. Robotron 2084 82. Lemmings 83. Nights Into Dreams 84. Phantasy Star Online 85. Silent Hill 2 86. OutRun 2 (AKA OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast) 87. Mr. Driller 88. Sega Rally Championship 89. Tomb Raider (1996) 90. Devil May Cry 91. Super Smash Bros. Melee 92. Resident Evil (1996) Ranked As: Resident Evil (1996) / Resident Evil (2002) 93. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 94. Gitaroo Man 95. God of War 96. Wipeout 97. Tekken 3 98. Sensible Soccer Ranked As: Sensible Soccer (Series) 99. Psychonauts 100. Crackdown |
If this list is accepted, then Battlefield 2, Virtua Fighter 5, Lumines, Perfect Dark, and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door all get their 6th entry (and I checked to make sure that the 3 accepted lists don't have them).
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