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For a start, there's not enough cities on that list, instead of just the top 100, how about the top 500. Also, can we check the accuracy of all of them by finding the most recent figures from a reputable website. Also, could we add the population of the city proper? Citikiwi 08:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
This has already been done, using an impartial UN study (look at the sources). I believe the city proper populations are listed on a different page. DirectorStratton 03:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone put NYC as #1 even though its population (as given here) makes it #4. I fixed it - just wanted to alert everyone in case it happens again. 146.95.2.106JB
Should the population of The GTA or the Golden Horseshoe be listed? Canadian 'CMA' definitions are questionable, and the Ontario government considers the GH to be a metro area...
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-- Polaron | Talk 00:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
By single core, I mean it is the area associated with a single urban area (an urban area as defined by the national census authority). If a city is large enough to be its own metro area, certain criteria are looked at to see if the urban areas can be split. If the splitting criteria are not satisfied, a single MSA is defined. The U.S. Census Bureau lists New York-Newark as a single urban area, which is why there is a single MSA. StatCan lists the Toronto urban area separately from Hamilton and Oshawa so they are all listed as separate MSAs. I will post CMA and MSA definitions when I get home later but I am sure they are defined in exactly the same way except for the building blocks. The LUZ definition used for European cities and the MEA definition used for Japanese cities is also similarly defined. Please do invite others to join the discussion. The more input we get, the better. -- Polaron | Talk 00:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
U.S. and Canadian definitions for urban areas and metropolitan areas:
For what it's worth, when one looks at google earth, it is continuously built up from just east of Hamilton to just east of oshawa.In other words, i cant tell when oshawa ends and toronto starts and the same as goes for hamilton. Just one big massive sprawl much like L.A
The metropolitan area of greater Tehran is inhabited by 16 million people. Is it not?
It is
Has anyone noticed the vandalism in this page? Someone put links to "penis" as an image on the whole page...
This table for the main metropolitan areas needs a very urgent update. In the specific case of Mexico, none of the mentioned three cities in the list still have the indicated population: Mexico DF has at least 22 million inhabitants, Guadalajara metropolitan area has 4.1 million and Monterrey metropolitan area has (at least) 3.8 million inhabitans.
Please check that numbers.
The problem of using U.S stats
The American government uses the most liberal methods on the planet when determining a city's metroplitan population. For example, take Dallas , Houston , Atlanta and Seattle for instance. The first three cities cover an area twice the size of Holland and the last the size of holland. Americans use a city's region to difine its metro area. The problem is that a city's region is different to a metro.With that said, by using America's definitions Toronto would have at least 9 million people and Londonwould have at least 30 million because American census people would consider south east Englandmetropolitan London
Lagos, Nigeria is one one of the most populous urban areas in the world. Most estimates I've seen (of the city iteslf, not the metropolitan area) are well over 10,886,000. What is the source for the 10 million figure? The Lagos article states that population estimates "generally range from 12 to 18.5 million people."-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 13:12, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
look up 18Million for Osaka; 9Million for Nagoya; 5Million for Fukuoka; 29Million for Sao Paulo, get the proper citation and CHANGE THIS ARTICLE!
The figure for Karachi seems really, really low. Even the List of cities by population has a higher figure.
--iFaqeer 05:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Instead of WE providing a list. We could just provide links of various sources and reference about the ranking of Metropolitan regions around the world. And put it on the main Metropolitan Defenition Article. Or we provide different rankings from different credible sources. Top 10 or 20 of various rankings will do it does not have to be up to top 100. Anyone Agrees?
I AGREE. 01:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC) 88800
agree. 67.101.145.70 00:57, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Based on the history of the discussion, I agree with the suggestion of just putting top 10 or 20 lists from various credible sources. I do not think the whole suggestion was to "take the article off" but simply change it to a more simplier article and make it more understandable to a regular reader. It could lessen the complaints, editing and confuison here and most of all make the article stable. Beside we are just presenting a very simple thing here which is a "list". Must we or the readers really have to know the which is rank 88 or 98 for that matter? I believe Wikipedia, like any encyclopedia would do best if it is geared towards on showing general references for the regular readers to understand the idea better. We are not trying to make a text book here. If a reader wanted to know about a particular article then that is where the realiable links are there for.
Population of Keihanshin district urban area is not 11,268,000 people. It is the number that there is extremely little it, and was calculated. You do not imagine it on Internet, and please really live in Osaka. Anyone understands that it is 18,000,000 scales of a half of Tokyo metropolitan area.
And the third Japanese population of Tyukyo(Nagoya) urban area of a city is 8,000,000 - 9,000,000 scales. I recommend that I get by the Sinkansen to Oomiya Station - Tokyo Station - Yokohama Station - Nagoya station - Kyoto station - Shin-Osaka station - Kobe station once. Almost town area becomes continuity. There is not a gap at all like U.S.A. and a European city. We call this Pacific megalopolis, and it is not overstatement even if it says that Left Coast of the Japanese Islands forms the world's hugest urban area in it in itself.
I show urban area population statistics of Ministry of Public Management, Home Affairs, Posts and Telecommunications of Japanese Government becoming grounds here.
ttp://www.stat.go.jp/data/kokusei/2000/final/zuhyou/092.xls(A formal source of Japanese Government). Keihanshin(京阪神) district metropolis area:18,644,000 Tuykyo,中京(Nakagyo,名古屋) metropolis area:8,864,837 Fukuoka(福岡)/Kitakyushu(北九州)University urban area:4,990,000 Keihanshin district metropolis, Nakagyo metropolis, population of Fukuoka / Kitakyushu University urban area are wrong by follows, and there is not it. I reduce population of Keihanshin district metropolis, and I delete Nakagyo (Nagoya), and please stop forgery, distorting it.
Polaron,When we are talking about in America, It has more to do with the county lines than anything else. Notable example is the Los Angeles County. It is defined in MSA as one metropolitan area or region along with Orange county. Now this place is huge. It also include the far away land of Lancaster area and its moutainous rural surrounding and the coastal rural regions in Orange county. Now, compare that to its northen neigbor San Francisco and San Jose. Why are these two metro region sepearte? eventhough you can easily fit, its continous urban built area, more or less twice inside inside the Los Angeles Basin and San Fernando Valley alone? not because of the commuter patterns or urban center like you are saying, but simply because they are divided or seperated by county lines. The county areas in northen California are a lot more smaller than in Southern California. If Let say SF, San Mateo, Alameda and Santa Clara (The 4 major counties in Bay Area) are just one county it would still be smaller compare to Los Angeles County alone (Not including Orange County). If they were actually one county, I don't think the Census or OMB would still seperate them into 2 sepearte metro regions, they would be consider as one metro region not bec. of commuter or urban pattern but because they share the same county boundaries. My point is The MSA defenitions is heavily based on COUNTY LINES more than anything else. The whole urban commuter thing you are saying can be very well abritary because they do not really have boundaries. Los Angeles has a LOT of Urban Centers: Glendale/Burbank, Anaheim, Long Bech, San Fernando Valley, LA Dowtown etc. Why arent these seperate although they are large enough to have their own metro areas? Why because they are all in Los Angeles county. If we stick staright to the real "continous urban built up" as our defenition of metro area then a large chunk of protion in the Lancaster area shouldnt be included in the Los Angeles region, likewise the rural Marin County in San Francisco Metro area or San Benito County in San Jose region. You see it all base on COUNTY BOUNDARIES.
But the main source of this article is based on "Urban Built Up" produced by the UN right? Then why are we calling this article list of Metropolitan Areas? If like you said they are different. I am sorry but I am really confues about all this.
I suggest we ought to change the article name to urban agglomeration as the main source describes it.
And where did you get the reference about the contact boundaries not exceeding a threshold? Maybe you rea right but if that is the case then San Fernando Valley should have its own MSA as well since it is large enough to have its own metro and reletively isolated by surrounding mountains to the LA basin. San Francisco and Oakland are seperated by a couple of miles of water(bay). Oakland is quite large enough to have its own MSA plus it has a different County. But still why are at they at same metro? I do not beleive San Jose and San Francisco is seperated because of that treshold, clearly there is no gap between them. They are seperated because they simply were split by county lines and also it has something to do with the cities' sizes in area as well. SF is quite small area wise. In fact it is one of the smallest if not the smallest major city in US. It is even only as big as Manhattan. But, let say if SF size is just as big as LA or NY, SF would eat up all of San Mateo County with spare left. And hypothetically speaking if that is the case then I dont think they would still seperate SF and San Jose. I ask you, If Hypothetically, SF City limits includes San Mateo County do you think there MSA would still be seperated? Again, the point is "County Areas" and "City Areas" and basically they can manipulate it from there, like gerrymandering perhaps. This mean the MSA descriptions is not uniformed at all BUT it is mainly based on the political boundaries of each Couty and City Boundaries first and foremost even first before considering urban areas.
I am sorry if I sounded like I am complainig to you. But Im just trying to explain my perception to their defenition of MSA which I think is not uniform not because of the urban built-up but because of political boudaries. Like you said political boundaries are the building blocks of defining MSA. So because of that defenition, it is possible for a single countious urban agglomeration can be split into two MSA because of political boudaries like in SF. On the otherhand, it is possible for a seperate urban agglomeration can be combined in one MSA because of political boundaries - in this case like in LA and Lancaster area.
Houston is said to have a population density of 228/km^2 Well, the whole bangladesh has 985/km^2 So, if we consider the greater houston a metropolitan area, we cannot forgot the population (141,822,300 people) of bangladesh
Hello, there is a mediation case currently going on here. Feel free to read it over and comment if you wish. —— Eagle101 Need help? 06:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The figur given for the London commuter belt is given as 13,945,000 (2001) not 11,624,807! -- 12345 wiki 22:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Can we update the population figures and density for the city of Chennai to reflect the numbers that the Wikipedia page on Chennai (featured article) show? The discrepancy in the numbers might reflect poorly on Wikipedia. The Chennai page lists the city's population at 7,066,778, while this page lists it as 6,916,000 -- Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan 05:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the 2005 stats are being used in this article instead of the 2006 stats that the Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas uses? — Brien Clark Talk 18:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Does Osaka include Kobe and Kyoto or not? The table identifies Osaka as including the other two cities, but a note by the population figures says otherwise. 4.243.206.96 04:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Berlin is actually shrinking (no wonder with unemployment near 20%). I know, I live here. The Wikipedia article on Berlin gives the number 4,262,480 (12/2004), which seems reasonable to me and presumably is Eurostat as well. I'd like to downgrade Berlin accordingly. Hirsch.im.wald 16:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
This list is changing constantly, much faster than the actual cities listed, and as soon as some basic principle is semi-applied, it is dismantled and jumbled. People seem to take city population as some kind of status, wanting to put theirs higher on the list, when its not, its only a simple fact and government delination. These delinations change and the basis changes also. These lists should be maintained by an expert...one who knows a CMSA from an MSA, one who can analyze each and every definition of cities in every nation for comparability, letting the public rampage it is a mistake. It's not a competition, its a description...I don't know why people can't let that go and just base it on that.
If only one person who is an "expert" could maintain this page then that would defeat the purpose of Wikipedia "The free encyclopedia". The reason why this page are in constant chaos is because of issues among editors. Why not limit the list to just top 10? or 20? the more cities you put the more problem you have. Some suggested to create a limited ranking of top 10-20 from various rankings of credible sources. Present it all here AND put a link of the original source in each rankings. We present the best sources we get, the readers could check the sources themselves and they can decide. Then there would be no problems because one can not just simply change a listing not coinciding with that original source. What editors are trying to do here is making their own original grand ranking coming from multiple sources and that of course would result in chaos. The rankings is not even coherent with the main source anymore.Whats happening here is we are making all this about the editors and not about the readers. That is what we need to change. 69.3.237.71 21:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
So why in the world does this list use the UN sources for only some areas? One would think that a useful list of this type would use figures from the same source in the name of consistency. The most egregious example of inconsistency between UN figures and an alternative source exists with Seoul, where the Korean National Statistics Office gives a figure of over 22 million, while the UN gives one of less than 10 million.
Clearly someone is wrong here. Moreover, although this is admittedly unscientific, one look at a satellite photo of Seoul next to one of Tokyo shows that Seoul's population density would have to exceed Tokyo's by a fair margin to even come close to 22 million people. Somehow, I find that doubtful.
Apparently so does the UN.
I am revising the figure for Seoul (and for that matter, New York and Los Angeles, among others) to reflect 2005 UN data, the latest consistent data set we have available covering all listed areas. National statistics offices have no place in an international ranking such as this one.
EDIT: Okay, so revising this list is going to take a while. I'll do it later. If you have a valid argument with which to dispute the logic behind aforementioned change, now is your chance.
-- Mjesuele 23:49, 19 May 2007 (UTC)I
Seoul: The UN clearly states, that their number for Seoul is for the city proper. That's clearly a different thing than an urban agglomoration. A comparable number for Seoul should be in between the low and the high number mentioned.
That means, even the UN are comparing apples to oranges, where reliable numbers for the urban agglomaration don't exist. I'd rather prefer an estimate, than a number from a different category. Hirsch.im.wald 15:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
This page is better taken off Wikipedia. Right now it is a strange mix of sources from all around the world, removing any claim to credibility from it. As different countries use different systems and different definitions, it is of very little use to source the figures with national censuses. The UN, to the best of my knowledge, is alone is providing data for all major cities and thus those figures should be used for all cities in order to make any comparison - and a list of the top 100 is by definition a comparison. Such an article already exists, so I see no reason why this rather unsuccesful list should be kept. It has no encyclopedi value that isn't already found in more NPOV forms elsewhere on Wikipedia. JdeJ 03:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The US cities cheat so much in this table. How come New York City and Los Angeles have more than double the area of most cities here? In fact the city proper of a US city can only be considered a metro area of a city in Asia like Shanghai and Tokyo. There are so many surburbs in a US city proper. But in this table instead of restricting the areas included, US cities even included more areas than other parts of the world. That is so unfair. I don't think anyone who has been to both Shanghai and New York would consider that New York is larger.
Hy reader, do yourself a favor and don't belief this article. NYC has roughly 8Mio citizens ... to me it seams like the whole state New York and NOT New York CITY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.181.126.187 ( talk) 16:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey first of all check out the other four boroughs of New York before you make outlandish claims- for the most part Manhattan is only 12 blocks wide and is by far the smallest part of the city. U.S. commuter patterns are vastly different than those in Asian cities and you have to appreciate the draw of New York City; the size of its commuter shed is fantastic. That being said, if you are going to count the New York Metroplitan Area, at this point you are talking about something like 22 million people. While the city proper only has 8.27 million, there is, without a doubt, a dense urban core of about 12 million when considering Jersey City, Newark, Yonkers, etc.
Not only that the population density math is not even correct for the top few entries! Learn to divide!
The Greater Los Angeles page is also ridiculous. It includes about 300 miles of desert east of the city.-- Bobiskool145 ( talk) 16:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
The city and metropolitan population of Delhi is much more than stated in wikipedia and some baseless sources. Its municipal population is 18 million (2008) and metropolitan population well over 22 million [1] (around 25-28 million). The confusion over Delhi's population is because of 3 reasons :-
1. Delhi (city municipal region, area = 1483 sq. km) is one of the fastest growing cities in the world with compound annual growth rate of 4.2%. This means that by 2008 the Delhi population should have grown by 33.37% from 2001 census level (13,782,976) to reach over 18 million today. That is why in case of Delhi it is better to use current figures to avoid wrong results.
2. The suburbs of Delhi are growing at even faster rate than Delhi itself. They are almost doubling their population within a decade. Current populations of the suburbs are Gurgaon - 1.7 million, Ghaziabad - 2.2 million, Faridabad - 2.1 million, Noida- Greater Noida - 1.2 million. There are many other suburbs of Delhi as well. The contribution from suburbs puts the population of Delhi metropolitan area (Area - 3483 sq. km (Delhi-1483, Suburbs-2000)) more than 25 million, which is growing at astonishing pace.
3. Another reason of confusion is wrong method of calculating metropolitan population of Delhi, which was highlighted by Population Reference Bureau, Washington [2].
We should hope that Wikipedia should accept and embrace these changes soon and help people in breaking myths and misconceptions.
The introduction is great, but I think that switching the term 'city' for 'metropolis' would add some clarification: 'City' can be both/either a demographic and/or administrative description, whereas 'metropolis' is a purely demographic term that fits entirely the concept of the metropolitan area. Another weak point would be the introduction's stress on the definition of 'City': The concept of 'metropolitan area' is not this at all (the main role of one term is not to define another), rather it exists to determine areas of real urban growth - or metropoleis - thus its name. Cheers. THEPROMENADER 08:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
It's 4,355 on Mumbai metropolitan area but not on this page. -- Ben Atkin ( talk) 07:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
source: [1]. Thanx. -- 60.50.66.130 ( talk) 06:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Why are the metropolitan areas of Mexico City and Toluca joined together in this article, if no official document or agency in Mexico considers them a single metropolitan area? [In fact, they are physically separated by a mountain range with altitudes of over 3.000 m (9000 ft.)? The official delimitation of metropolitan areas in Mexico considers them two separate metropolitan areas. Was there a justified reason to consider them one single entity? -- the Dúnadan 17:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
People: As long as the list refers to one single (and hopelessly outdated) source, namely "R.L. Forstall, R.P. Greene, and J.B. Pick, "Which are the largest? Why published populations for major world urban areas vary so greatly", City Futures Conference, (University of Illinois at Chicago, July 2004) – Table 5 (p.34)" all editing of the list is senseless. We either use the source and its list as is and leave the list alone. Or we find current, verified, referenced, accurate, and official data (of which a lot is already available in Wikipedia.) In the latter case, we may research and edit away. Speaking of which, as a longtime New Yorker, I would object to bunching the New York-Northern New Jersey Long Island MSA and the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk MSA together. A.) Because what are MSAs for? B.) Because you will hardly find someone living in Bridgeport, CT, who thinks of himself as a New Yorker. Actually, even if only for tax reasons, most people in the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk MSA will steadfastly deny that they are New Yorkers .... -- BsBsBs ( talk) 12:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
What about Chong Qing? I'm really confused, please help! See: < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chong_Qing> [2009.11.3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.137.60.172 ( talk) 15:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
We really have to update this page! The german version may help here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_gr%C3%B6%C3%9Ften_St%C3%A4dte_der_Welt Example: Tehran current (official) metro. population:14.0 mio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehran -- Englishazadipedia ( talk) 21:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
According to the article London Commuter Belt that is linked from this page, the population of Metropolitan London is 13,945,000, when this article states it as 12,875,000?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.217.10 ( talk) 17:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The Largest European Metropolitan areas page says its 13,063,441.
That page has gone, anyway it's impossible to accurately decide the population of london - firstly there are so many unknown people living here, secondly where do you decide the cut off point is? if luton airport is to be called london luton then luton should be included, as with everywhere else within. same with gatwick. the population of london is at least several million more than most estimates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.72.81.141 ( talk) 12:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
The above comments could just as easily be directed at any major city such as New York City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.214.0.47 ( talk) 23:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
According to the Greater London Authorities (GLA) London Plan "Working London is part of a metropolitan region of 21 million people. This forms a 'mega-city region' in which there are a vast number of linkages and networks between all the urban settlements. Within this wider region, London performs the functions characteristic of the central city. It is the main generator and source of jobs as well as of culture, leisure and higher-level shopping activities. The interactions within the mega-city region are increasing. The Mayor supports polycentric development across the mega-city region in which Central London, London's town centres and the towns in the other two regions develop in a complementary manner. He also supports the government's proposed growth areas in Milton Keynes, Thames Gateway, London-Stansted-Cambridge-Peterborough and Ashford as important contributions to dealing with the pressures on land and development in the mega-city region and sees these as complementary to the growth strategy for London set out in this plan" [3] [4]
-- 90.205.89.231 ( talk) 02:47, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
To be honest I am inclined to agree with it, as a large percentage of Englands population surrounds London, and cities such as New York City have vast metro areas. Indeed New York Cities Metro is currently the size of all the yorkshire ridings in England combined. There are a number of policy documents relating to the new 21 million mega-city region, not least in the GLA's very own London Plan. [5]
"Research has shown that the Greater South East of England has led UK economic performance over the last 25 years. It is home to 21 million people, some 35% of the UK population. It is responsible for 42% of gross domestic product – some £452 billion per annum – and attracts 60% of all UK private research and development investment and 70% of venture capital investment.Over half the top 20 global companies have major research facilities located in the Greater South East. Whilst London continues to be the world's leading financial centre, rivalled only by New York". [6] [7]
The Greater South East Region (pdf)
Facts About the Greater South East Region (pdf)
Here's a policy research report regarding the Greater South East Region (pdf)
Greater South East Area on the map - http://www.lboro.ac.uk/gawc/rb/images/rb268f1.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.217.104.71 ( talk) 14:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
-- 90.214.0.47 ( talk) 20:01, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I can also break down the population of the Greater South East down by county -
Greater London - 7,700,000
Population of Counties sharing a border with London
Total - 6,407,500
Other Counties in the South East and Thames Valley
Total 4,474,600
Other Counties to the East
Total 2,310,600
Total - 20,892,700
The UK is a small country, England is even smaller still, and the Greater South East Region is only a small corner of England. Even if you just add those counties that border London that's a combined population of 14,107,500. People commute to London from all over this region, and even if you neglect to count the Eastern Counties such as Cambs, Suffolk, Norfolk, you still have a population of nearly 19 million. You could even take Oxfordshire off the list and you would still have a metro area of around 18 million.
The whole area is also very intergrated transport wise, with good road, rail, air and sea links.
London and South East Rail Map (pdf)
London Rail Connections Map (pdf)
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90.214.0.47 (
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22:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I could equally say the same about people in the New York City metro area who could head for Philadelphia, Newark, Atlantic City or other cities close to New York Cities vast Metro area. I know plenty of people who commute to London daily from such towns as Milton Keynes, Oxford, Luton etc or from neighbouring counties. What is even more bizzre is that even if you just count the figures for the tiny English counties that surround London, the population is still over 14 million and not 12 million. The next major English city is Birmingham in the midlands which is further from London than New York is from Philadelphia. As for Demographia it is one of the worst sites I have visited, with little explanation and is just a poor version of nationmaster, which is possibly the second worse source of accurate information on the web.
Places such as Ocean County, NJ are part of NYC's metro area - http://theoceancountylibrary.org/NewWebImages/CountyMap.jpg
Plces such as rural Woodstock in New York state are 90 miles north of NYC, and are not even the most northerly parts of New York's metro area. It beggers belief that London's metro a very densely populated area, and one of the most densely populated countries in the world is not properly reflected, whilst New York's metro area has a metro of vast size that stretches way down in to Southern Philadelphia and equally far to the North and other directions.
Sadly I question the consistency of these figures given the discrepancies in metro area and calculation methods, and I suggest others approach such figures with a good degree of scepticism. If you look up 'The London commuter belt' on 'wiki' itself it says it currently covers much of the South East region and part of the East of England region, including the Home Counties of Kent, Surrey, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire, and Essex and quotes the population as 13,945,000 as of 2001. So wiki is contradicting itself. If you look at the commuter belt today, you will find an area of at least 15 million, if you include London and some of it's neighbouring counties, however if you include the South East and East of England (wiki commuter belt) then the figure is going to be nearer the 20 million figure I initially suggested.
Which is it to be, surely wiki can't have two sets of figures, and can't have it both ways.
If you just add the following counties which are very close to London, you get a figure well over 15 million.
Total - 7,765,100 (6,390 Sq. mi)
Added to London Total - 15,465,100 (7010 Sq.mi)
This may neglect important counties such as Hampshire but it is a good deal more realistic than the 12 million odd quoted on this site. Most of those counties either border or are stones throw from London. The area within the M25 (London orbital motorway) is not much larger than the Greater London Area, and that area alone has a population of over 10 million. Indeed the Greater London Area (the actual city) is increasingly aligned to the M25 area, and beyond that the metro area stretches across corridors throughout the Home Counties and South East of England.
http://www.touristnetuk.com/london/images/London_hotels_areas_images/gtrlondonmapsml.gif
Indeed Two out of three people living within the M25 consider it to be the natural boundary of the London itself, whilst th metro commuter zone encompasses most of the south east/eastern region. The population within the M25 is over 10 million and the commuter zone extends to an area between 15 and 20 million.
http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_release_a.jsp?releaseid=3002
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3587799.stm
I would have little hesitation in suggesting that in reality London itself extends as far as the M25, and has a population of over 10 million, whilst it's metro population extends across the south eastern and eastern corridors and is between 18 and 20 milliom, and I have lived here all my life and have travelled widely across the area in question.
Finally where is Paris, the city has a massive metro. Indeed there are plans for even faster trains between London and Paris cutting journey times to a mere 1 hour 50 minutes and people are even commuting to London from Northern France. No two massive western cities are linked together as London and Paris are, you are not less than a 2 hour train ride in NYC from another city of the same size. The distance between London and Paris (214 miles) is less than the distance between New York City and Washington DC (240 miles). Whilst Brussels is set to be a mere 1 hour and 30 minutes from London.
http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/property/overseas/article2875616.ece
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90.214.0.47 (
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23:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Great Britain is one of the most crowded little islands on the earth, England is even more crowded still and one little corner of England is home to over 1/3rd of the population. The tiny region centered around London is home to around 18 million. As for London it has a positive migration with more people leaving other parts of the UK and other countries for London than those leaving London, indeed London's population is predicted to grow substantially in the coming decades.
The population of London is expected to increase by almost 20 per cent over the next two decades. The total will have grown by more than a million, to about 8.8 million, by 2029. Figures released by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed that the capital's population growth will be the biggest for any of the regions of England.
England is now the most densely populated major country in Europe, with only Malta having a higher population density. Beyond Europe, England's population density is among the highest in the world for major countries. England ranks third in density after Bangladesh (1,045 per sq km) and South Korea (498 per sq km). As I have already mentioned over 1/3rd of this population live in the south east and London region with a massive population and very high population density.
[url] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in-Europe.html[/url]
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04:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
Once I heard that Chungking -- if you want the Cultural Revolution's Chongqing, give me them back their iron rice bowl -- was now the largest city in the world, beyond Tokyo even. And indeed, on Wikipedia's page it does seem to have a high population. 64.69.127.105 ( talk) 22:23, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
According to the Dhaka article, the metro population of Dhaka is 23 million, if this is true, it should be second? Taifar ious1 08:20, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I added the most recent statistics of Dhaka SMA which put it in number 19, still it was reverted by someone. I am not sure why that is. If anyone can shed a light on this subject that would be great. Thanks. Skchandon ( talk) 18:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
So you mean you will not accept any other data than the source, where the source may be out dated? or do you mean I can add a new item if I can show a proper reference to it? if its the later then, here is my source of information from the Bangladesh Bureau of Statistics. http://www.bbs.gov.bd/dataindex/pby/pk_book_08.pdf this was uploaded in their site February 03, 2009 so the information contained within is most up to date. If you go to page 7 of that pdf file you will find Population of Statistical Metropolitan Area and Dhaka is Listed there with a population of 12,797,394 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skchandon ( talk • contribs) 20:47, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Then this document should be removed. It is a lie that is being spread otherwise. May be in the article we can mention something like a big note that says "Content Out of Date and May be Misleading". Can we do that? What you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.133.94 ( talk) 23:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Just because something is a better estimate then others may not make it acceptable. Especially, when a reliable source is omitted because of some vauge reason. The whole idea of wikipedia I thought, was to quote references and have it accepted. If there is a reliable reference then it should not be omitted. When a criteria is created and those who fall under that critera is not included then it becomes a lie. The example you provided: "The most likely cities taken off the list would be Moscow and London, " is a perfect example. I don't know if they should be taken out or not from my own. But I do believe there are people who can provide valid references and based on those references we should decide which item should stay on the list. Without that when we say the most populated metropolitan areas are such and such and includes something that has no business being there, then it becomes misleading. Skchandon ( talk) 23:50, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
So what you are saying, editing war should be given priority over the integrity of the Data? Very well. Thanks for your clarification. I'll cease making any changes to this list. Thanks for your time. Skchandon ( talk) 00:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Thats a real shame :( :( I get your point. Since we cannot convert an orange to an apple so consider only apples or only oranges. Looking at all these different kinds of lists in here somehow I had thought the wiki ppl might have found a way to do compare all the different items. oh well. Hey once again thanks for your clarification. I really appreciate it. Skchandon ( talk) 00:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I would suggest looking at List of metropolitan areas in Europe by population as one possible solution. There multiple sources are given where one can sort the table using whatever source one prefers. 66.69.222.69 ( talk) 01:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
"Restrictions on the movement of labor between Hong Kong and mainland China" are the understatement of the century. A Chinese needs a VISA to travel to HK. Most foreigners don't. Getting a work and/or residency permit for HK is easier for a total foreigner than for a mainland Chinese. When it comes to movement of labor, HK and Shenzen are as far apart as Tijuana and San Diego. Just one of the many flaws of the referenced study. Wikipedia deserves better. -- BsBsBs ( talk) 07:16, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Considering the comment was posted in Sept 2008 it shows remarkable ignorance of the facts. Travel for Chinese citizens between SZ and HK is much easier than it is for foreigners. Chinese have a Travel Pass, foreigners have to struggle on through the border with their passports, which is much, much slower. —Preceding
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04:43, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
This is posted in Oct 2009. The transit of Chinese nationals to Hong Kong is restricted and its far from "easier" than it is for foreigners. Consider this:
1) All Chinese nationals going to HK need to obtain a special permit. This is not exactly a travel pass. It has limitations.
2) The permit (or "travel pass") must be obtained from the competent authorities at their home city or at the city where his/her ID card is from.
3) Only Chinese nationals from capital cities can go to Hong Kong without a tour package. Other Chinese nationals must take a tour package.
4) The permit only allows a limited amount of entries to Hong Kong during a certain period of time (2 times every 2 months, for example). Also, the time they can stay in HK is usually limited to 1 week.
5) Notice also that HK only requires visas to citizens of certain countries.
All this, makes me think that it is easier for a foreigner to cross into HK than it is for a Chinese national. It is true also that HK and Shenzhen are not the same city, they are completely different, and that includes people and mentality.
Vinnie2010 ( talk) 09:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC).
Looking at the chart, one would assume that Los Angeles has a higher population density than New York when the opposite is true. How did they get the NYC land area to be so large? DavidRF ( talk) 21:46, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Rio has 15 million and isn t in the list!!! so bad!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.196.220.148 ( talk) 21:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that this page would benefit from being renamed to List of metropolitan areas and moving the sublists (in the "see also" section) up the page, so that this becomes the go-to page for metropolitan areas. As a tourist on this page, however, I defer to the regulars :) Playclever ( talk) 01:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I changed the area of the Karachi metro area to 3,530 km2 few weeks ago. It was reverted to the current (and questionable) size of 1,100 km2 by User:Polaron. On both the User:Polaron/List of metropolitan areas by population article, and the Karachi articles - the 3,530 number is given. If the 1,100 km2 is correct, then is should be changed in all three places. But it seems that the larger area is likely to be more correct - it's hard to swallow the idea that Karachi has roughly the same population as Beijing somehow crammed into one sixth the space... I am guessing that the 1,100 km2 number is the size of the city proper, not the metro area. Nothingofwater ( talk) 19:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Please read the introductory text in the article. The list is based on a single source, including population and area figures. The cited source is one of a handful of studies that attempt to define metropolitan areas globally using a single definition. In the case of Karachi, it happens to be the case that the administrative boundaries of the city include significant rural territory (roughly three-fourths of the surface area based on comparing urban area and administrative area boundaries). It may be that we have to redefine the Karachi city proper in the Wikipedia list mentioned using smaller administrative units but it is not tecnically impossible to have a metro area (the functional city) smaller than a municipality (area under a single local government). Looking at an administrative map of Karachi, it looks like the towns of Bin Qasim, Gadap, and Kimari are not part of what the western world would call the "city proper" although they are technically part of the Karachi City District government. -- Polaron | Talk 21:51, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I remember when this article listed the largest 100 areas; now I see it has been reduced to twenty. Was there a discussion behind this change? (I looked through the archives, maybe I missed it.) In any rate, this article strikes me as considerably less interesting in this reduced state. -- Peter Talk 20:35, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
It would be really great if the list gets extended to atleasttop 30 or top 40, that way it'll include paris! And isn't tehran already supposed to be on da list? PlatinumFire ( talk) 19:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Now, an Aglomeration of over 10 million people is not necessary to make an economy of scale. In fact, thousands of Corporations are leaving too much concentrated areas to more relaxed one like Boise (Idaho) Germany doesn´t have any important Metro Area but high tech projects are divided among a multiple net of cities.-- 83.63.180.125 ( talk) 17:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The page title is incorrect and missleading. This is a list of the most populous metropolitan areas not the largest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.211.80.229 ( talk) 16:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
HONG KONG and Shenzhen are not part of the same metropolitan area. While both cities are quiet large, unfortunately they are not the same city.
While Hong Kong and Shenzhen are near in distance, they can't be considered the same metropolitan area.
1. There is no free transit of pedestrians or vehicles between Shenzhen and the Hong Kong Region. All pedestrians must either have a passport/visa or permit to cross the border between HK-China or China-HK.
2. A local train takes about 30 minutes to go from Kowloon (part of the metropolitan area of Hong Kong) to the border with Shenzhen. There are several small cities in between which although close to Hong Kong, aren't all part of the metropolitan area of Hong Kong either.
3. People can't commute freely between Hong Kong territories and Shenzhen. Chinese nationals have limitations to visit Hong Kong and can't engage in paid activities. Commuting between HK and Shenzhen for work on a daily basis is basically impractical.
4. The local trains from Hong Kong to the border with Shenzhen stop running at night and only one crossing (Lok Ma Chau) remains open 24 hours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinnie2010 ( talk • contribs) 09:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
The population of Cairo here is between 2.5 - 5 million short. The problem is the lack of reliable census figures. No one really knows how large the population really is, but 14 is lower than most conservative estimates. A look at various sources off google give nothing less than 17.5 for 2009 population figures. As that seems to be the low figure I will go with that and edit the page to fix. comment added by jankyalias 8 October 2009 14:22 —Preceding undated comment added 18:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC).
Just read the warning on the edit page. As all the info comes from a single source perhaps it should be made more clear exactly what that source is - of course I could just be a fool and be missing something. At any rate I did not edit and leave someone more qualified on the current state of the discussion to do so.
jankyalias —Preceding undated comment added 18:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC).