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Pursuant to the closely-related discussions (see here and here) on fabricated figures at List of highest-grossing video game franchises, I have removed every entry that has invented numbers, in whole or in part, by multiplying a price. Most of the estimates here are not stated in any source but rather invented via WP:SYNTH. The entries may be re-added with the fabricated numbers removed, if proper sources exist for them. This page is an especially egregious case given the repeated citations of its bogus numbers in the media; we must be extra careful of WP:Citogenesis if and when sources for the figures are found. Phediuk ( talk) 01:36, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Now that the discussion over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of highest-grossing video game franchises seems to be leaning heavily towards deletion, it seems almost certain that article will be deleted. Which raises concerns over this article, as some of the issues raised over that article may also apply to this article. So what should be done about this article? Maestro2016 ( talk) 13:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
I will try to help if I can, I think if we put it in draft, and work on it (we probably need to discuss how). Phediuk, Dissident93, Masem these users I have ping have also done a lot recently to this page. I got a couple of things I wanted to do this year but I could put them back to save this page Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 15:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Jumanji is missing for the list. The films alone should put it on the list (grossing Around $2.1B) Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 12:14, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
And Finding Nemo ($2B on just the films). Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 12:43, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Other film series that made around $2B that not on the list are Kung fu fu panda ($1.8B) Plaent of the apes ($2.2B) and The Conjuring Universe ($1.9B) all three of those are box office only Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 17:21, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
Just found more captain America $2.5B,incredibles $2B, Jason Bourne $2B Men in Black $2B and how to train your dragons $2B again all of these are box office and North America home media sales. Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 16:42, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
1. Why was this source removed in the first place? The $7 billion revenue figure issued by Nintendo. Timur9008 ( talk) 12:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC) Maestro2016 https://web.archive.org/web/20021020215227/biz.yahoo.com/bw/020826/260010_1.html
2. Why in a recent edit has Mario somehow lost 20 billion? IGN and other sources have Mario as 36 billion. This list also had Mario at 36 Billion. But in the last 4 months (the last time I read this page) he has moved down from 36 to 16 billion. I doubt 20 billion can be a miscalculation? Super Mario as a franchise has made 30 billion alone in video games.
"It's estimated that as of 2018, the Mario franchise has grossed over $30 Billion in revenue. That's almost as much as Call of Duty, Halo, The Legend of Zelda, Minecraft, Fortnite have generated combined.15 Nov 2019"'
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Using an earlier edit as a source - Titlemax 36 Billion
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https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/money-finance/the-25-highest-grossing-media-franchises-of-all-time/
Work and money also put it much higher with 37 billion.
https://www.workandmoney.com/s/most-successful-media-franchises-b3aca9a9436b48a5
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.216.96 ( talk) 15:43, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
3. Can someone make Super Mario at least 36 billion? Not 34? All sources above say at least 36 (some say it's 37) let's make this list the most accurate we can. 20:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Just wondering if anyone wants to rise the threshold to $2B (as mentioned above) I decided to make the discussion it’s own topic thoughts Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 22:38, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I think there a reason for both $1B gives us information that interest for $2B if we do not do it now we need to at some point the question is when we at 200 entries 300 Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 16:28, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
The spilt page says “Over 100K Almost certainly should be divided” we currently at 280K based on this I think we should rises rise the threshold to $2B I think I page spilt is a bad idea and would not help us (probably makes things worse as we will have 2 pages to keep a eye one. Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 21:07, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
No I believe the article is fine where it stands. These companies earned the billion it deserves to be on the list. I even think there should be a new page discussing franchises that has 100 or 500-999 million dollars in revenue. Tropetroop29 ( talk) 00:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
I done a rise to see whst it could look like if we want a futher discussion please do also I want to get ahead of ourselves for next time and discuss a limit wherever size of pages or number of entries Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 11:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I don't think it was a good idea to erase the 1 billion. But since it's done it should be split up to another page.
Maybe it can be from 750 million to under 2 billion. Tropetroop29 ( talk) 18:59, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
The problem I see if we do a List of highest-grossing media franchises page 2 what happened when that gets too big a page 3 page 4 when will we end it? Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 19:15, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
The lego movie franchise unfortunately included all lego films and not just the films of the lego movie franchise the right figures are as follow
This gives the total of $192.2M Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 09:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
Dose anyone have any numbers on the Hanna-Barbera franchises all I could find is
/info/en/?search=List_of_highest-grossing_animated_films#Highest-grossing_animated_films_by_year
and there also likes of top cat, The Jetsons, Wacky Races, etrc Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 01:12, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move ( non-admin closure) ( t · c) buidhe 23:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
List of highest-grossing media franchises → List of highest-grossing multimedia franchises – Media franchise was moved to Multimedia franchise by Editor-1. This page should be moved as well. Timur9008 ( talk) 14:39, 7 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. SITH (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
I with Maestro2016 we need to include both multi-media and single-media franchises Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 18:26, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
So, I was looking at this article, and I found it strange that Tamagotchi isn't listed here. Frustratingly, though, while I can find how many units have been shipped (82 million as of 2017), I can't find a source that states how much revenue that translates to. Can anyone help me with this? Pacack ( talk) 19:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
I edited the Digimon section to correctly reflect our course. While the overall revenue of the franchise is $6.35 billion, this is not all in video game sales. However, I am unable to find a source that breaks this number down into revenue from sales of the digital pet, video games, anime, films, manga, trading card game, and merchandise. I would appreciate any help. Pacack ( talk) 21:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
Jump Comics used to be on this list actually in the top ten is there a reason that it was removed? Just curious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.165.98 ( talk) 21:45, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises#Removal_of_all_entries_with_figures_invented_by_multiplying_prices Timur9008 ( talk) 11:00, 7 march 2021 (UTC)
OK thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.175.202 ( talk) 23:34, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Magazine sales shouldn't count to a particular franchise gross as a magazine feature several series and attributing to one doesn't make sense and attributing it to all also doesn't make sense instead there should be a new entry for Weekly shounen Jump same as Weekly shounen Magazine that is already added though a problem will remain which is that we have to manually calculate the gross by multiplying because as far as i know no direct source about the magazine gross is available Adab1za ( talk) 10:51, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Selenne ( talk) 13:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC) Yujoong talk
It still doesn't make sense, The magazine have different series other than One Piece, so why attribute its full price to OP ? and if we include every series in there then again also doesn't make sense, KochiKame ran in WSJ for 40 years without a single break, should we also add all those 40 years worth of magazine sales into Kochikame ? in my opinion also no since all magazine sales do is inflating the numbers, your point about it being circulation of the manga is wrong since Manga volume only feature one series so it make sense to add them to the series gross.
adding One piece official magazine is perfectly fine if you have a source for that but WSJ sales is absolutely not, My final suggestion is to add a note including the number of magazine that featured OP chapters but if you are not convinced then i think we should as a wiki admin/mod for that.
Adab1za (
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Selenne ( talk)( talk) 13:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC) Yujoong talk
I know exactly how wsj works, they publish the magazine weekly featuring 15-20 series(and some times one shots) in every issues, talking these copies and attributing them ALL for OP is just wrong and doesn't make sense, and no i am removing it especially since it also applies to "user made estimation" that are currently in the archive and admin agreed that it should be removed, you are the one who should leave it as it is until the admin say otherwise, this page used to have Magazine sales for every manga series until the admin removed them and someone changed and added them to OP so they should be removed. Adab1za ( talk) 15:09, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Should Disney Fairies include Peter Pan Fan Of Lion King 🦁 ( talk) 22:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Can someone update some of this stuff? Maestro2016 Timur9008 ( talk) 14:03, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
https://secure.viewer.zmags.com/publication/1de60963#/1de60963/32
Does anyone have any numbers for The Office Here what I could find
Of course this is just a fraction of the franchises just wondering if anyone knows anymore
Does any have any Ghostbusters update here what I found merchandise $1B (as of 2007) [1] Box office: $739.7M Domestic home media sales: $61.6M Total: $1.8B 82.132.215.142 ( talk) 17:50, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
I dont see why not, the overwhelming majority of sales is tied into the MCU, whereas Spider-Man is a lot more distinct, in parts due to Sony holding the movie rights. jonas ( talk) 14:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
No Iron man is it own franchise that started over 40 years before MCU we should treat it as it own franchises 92.236.253.249 ( talk) 16:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
why were they deleted?
I see,but naruto already has the manga sales + merch sales info from bandai and streaming revenue from Tokyo tv. I think it could be easily re-added.I'll try to look it up. if someone wants to help please do so!
WillsEdtior777 (
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11:30, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
I think that an interesting addition would be to have a new column to list the countries of origin for the listed franchises. Thoughts?
No we got information as it is 92.236.253.249 ( talk) 22:25, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
Not sure where to put this. (mentioned here [3] paywall). Also, I'm not sure where IGN got the $30 billion figure for Mario from. Was wondering can we use this source instead of the IGN one. And yes i know the $7 billion figure was brought up before but still. Timur9008 ( talk) 22:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Pretty much every source I can find lists One Piece as 20 billion+. Wikipedia is the only one I can find with it at 10 billion. Can someone explain this discrepancy? 68.132.173.37 ( talk) 20:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
These most likely sourced it from this page while it was containing misleading information, See magazine sales in the talk page above you. If you find a source that mentioned a reliable source you can place it here and we'll fix it or edit it in if you can. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 23:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
It is not related to a singular ip. and its being counted for some ip's and others not. it also heavily changes the IP value. It makes the number much higher then it really is therefore inaccurate. the circulation should only be added to the "Weekly shonen magazine" itself. not to the manga published in it.
according to this /info/en/?search=Weekly_Sh%C5%8Dnen_Jump in the manga series section. Kochikame is a 15.4+ Billion usd IP based on magazine circulation alone.
edit: Apparently an admin already removed them but someone re-added them. which is the reason for only some ip's having them. will be deleting Manga magazine sales from IP's that have them.
Also,People should look into this /info/en/?search=List_of_magazines_by_circulation . I think highest grossing media Franchises will be filled with magazines if so. so we shouldn't really count a magazine as a "media franchise" anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WillsEdtior777 ( talk • contribs) 04:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC) WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 14:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
Yeah i don't know why it was added either,I'll delete it and put a note. if someone can provide reasonable reason we can get it back. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 13:20, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
Noticed this wasn't calculated to some IP's https://corp.toei-anim.co.jp/en/ir/library/result.html
Toei's data in english goes to 2012. Includes licensing and "top film" both overseas and domestic.some of the ip's include Dragon ball,One Piece,Slam dunk,Sailor moon and others. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 05:17, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if this is just me but from reference 569 to reference 658 this error pops up.( says "The time allocated for running scripts has expired.") Is there a way to fix this? Timur9008 ( talk) 11:29, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
It should be “Pokémon jet aircraft livery sales” as jet aircraft sales sounds like they’re selling an actual aircraft. -Toast ( talk) 02:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Which one do you think needs a better source exactly? I thought they were all in line with other entries
Manga sales. same as others
Merchandise sales, sourced by Charabiz
Box office. sourced in the wikipedia article other anime box office also link to WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 18:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Yes that's for merchandise, the source is not the site itself but the pictures on it, which are Charabiz data for the years mentioned. It's reliable/confirmed information. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah its weird it got tagged as that. Its used in multiple articles already and nothing changed since then. I'll re add it. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 22:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.253.249 ( talk)
Neon_Genesis_Evangelion_(franchise)#Pachinko and Fist_of_the_North_Star#Pachinko vs this article Pachinko#Franchises
Any explanation for the difference here? the difference is upward to 4+ billion. thanks WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 16:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Understood, thank you. WillsEdtior777 ( talk)
Should Walt Disney be listed as a Creator on POTC as he created the original theme park rides the films are based on. We listed Gabrielle-Suzanne de Villeneuve as a creator on Beauty and the Beast 92.236.253.249 ( talk) 19:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
92.236.253.249 ( talk) 15:36, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
The cited source is a book made in 2004. Assuming the source is correct, shouldn't we place revenue post 2004 on top of the 30 billion? WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 01:06, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm trying to find some information on this but i'm not having any luck. from its cultural worldwide impact I heavily suspect it's already past 2B. But there doesn't seem to be readily modern avaliable data about its Merchandise or video sales. WillsEdtior777 ( talk) 15:33, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
JoJo don't have 9.8 billion? Carambolax ( talk) 11:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
It might, but it seems odd to place here. A song isn't a franchise. Wouldn't it be better placed in an article like 'highest grossing songs of all time'? Holdonspirit ( talk) 13:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Why revenue generated from theme parks are not added? WikiWizard6500 ( talk) 08:57, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Which is the right position of One Piece? RealSonny ( talk) 20:00, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Dose Top Gear gross enough for this list I can find that it makes £50M per year around$61.7M [1]
I propose its time we clean the sources on this page and remove the false ones(Statista etc), now since Maestro2016 was banned. I am going to post the sources we should keep and check the rest.(I will try to keep this updated and ping all possible editors)
Keep references: 392, 393, The Licensing Letter sources, 357, 170, 202, 175, 193, 250, 418, 530, 575, 580, 590, 600, 614, 654, 288, 76, 384, 627, 220 Timur9008 ( talk) 16:39, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
What exactly is the definition of "media franchise" for the purposes of this list? There appear to be fluid borders between so-called franchises across this list. For example, MCU, Avengers, and Spider-Man are all separate entries. Are we certain that no dollar has been "double-counted" between these three entries? Without well-defined inclusion criteria, one could imagine many more (or many fewer) "sub-franchises" that would pad out this list and rack up even more top placements in this list.
My other big question is why certain entries get lumped together for this list. Two that jump out at me are Middle Earth and Super Sentai. For Middle Earth, it's based on one single property but the profits go in so many different directions (film rights, book rights, Amazon TV show rights, limited series TV show rights, etc.) based on medium that it's hard to even really call it one "franchise" in the same way that Pokemon's profits all get centralized in one company. For Super Sentai, I think the Japanese and American versions are practically so different that it doesn't make sense to lump them together. Power Rangers licenses some footage from Super Sentai and repackages it into a completely different show. And the references for that entry are unable to distinguish between them (and mostly just link to their respective series articles, hoping that the citations exist there in perpetuity. This is a violation of WP:V. The references should be hosted here, not depend on the existence of prose/refs in another article).
So yeah, what's the deal here? I think the top of the list needs to be way more explicit about what is and isn't a single coherent "media franchise", or else we run the risk of diluting the usability and authority of the list. Axem Titanium ( talk) 20:02, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Just reading all this can we have list of what was added and what was taking away I started a table below so it easier to reed also i think we should aim to agree to number of entries on the list (i.e 100) and try to kept that amount on. 92.236.253.249 ( talk) 14:46, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Ok should we stick with a threshold of $2B it just $1B seams too low 92.236.253.249 ( talk) 17:25, 27 November 2022 (UTC)