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inside of the jefferson exspansion memorial. or more commonly known to everybody as the saint louis arch. there is a funicular type of train inside and it carries people to the top of the arch and people can look out the windows up there and get great views of the city of st.louis and nerby land across the missisippi in the state of illinos. why has there been no mention of the funicular in the st. louis arch? 69.221.168.185 ( talk) 13:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
List alphabetically by country (state ot province), City and name as is done (at least partially) for United States
-- Peter Horn 17:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Surely Pennsylvania, US, doesn't have the majority of funicular railways in the world. Discuss DannyM 11:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
The Japan sub-list was in a quite different format to most of the rest of this list. I've reformatted it into the common format. That still leaves the US list in a different format, but I have to start somewhere.
The change to the Japanese su-list has one down-side, as it loses the external links. My personal opinion is that these shouldn't have been there in the first place (WP isn't a link farm; if a subject deserves a link it deserves an article even more), but I don't want to lose the information for future editors researching individual articles on the funiculars in question. So I have transcribed the table here:
See Japan above.
Peter Horn removed the TOCright template from this article. I've reinstated it, as IMHO it seems it fits better with this geographically based list article than the default TOC behaviour, in that it gives the first-time reader a flavour of what the article is about on first sight. There may be good reasons for Peter's change, but as there was no useful edit comment I cannot know this. I'm therefore reintroducing the template; if you want to re-revert please do but pray tell why. -- Chris j wood 11:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Certaldo has a funicular from the old to new town and return. TRIKER1 ( talk) 19:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Been there done it! TRIKER1 ( talk) 20:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I have removed the entry for Garmisch-Partenkirchen from the list of German funiculars, because (a) it is uncited and (b) I can find no evidence of there being any funiculars in Garmisch-Partenkirchen.
Specifically:
If you added this, or know there is a funicular in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, then please re-add and annotate with a citation. -- Starbois ( talk) 12:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
It is all very well to mention the cities in which the funiculars were located, but what about the actual names of a few of them in the list of funicular railways? Peter Horn User talk 14:57, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Would it be easiest to tabulate this differently so it could be sorted by Name, country, inclination ?
106% Switzerland, Gelmerbahn funicular
122% 52 degrees Katoomba, Katoomba Scenic Railway http://www.smh.com.au/news/take-five/top-five-funicular-railways/2005/10/29/1130400400382.html
-- Dave Rave ( talk) 04:18, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
When I have time, I will probably turn this list into a chart, similar to the one in List of metro systems. Any Objections? Staglit ( talk) 14:55, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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User Gidonb added extra structure in the Asia and Europe sections. In the case of Europe this was to introduce sections for North, South, East and West Europe. The trouble with this is that it pushes the country names (which I would respectfully suggest are the things anybody looking something up in the list is most likely to know) out of the contents table, and replaces it with something much more arbitrary and more confusing. For example, when I tried looking up the United Kingdom, I couldn't find it because I assumed it would be in the 'Western Europe' section, whilst it was actually in 'Northern Europe'. And I only live in the damned place!.
In truth there are no well defined definitions of Northern, Southern, Eastern or Western Europe. If they exist at all, they do so as overlapping cultural concepts rather than as geographical entities, and as such are not useful as a sorting mechanism, which is essentially what this list is. And besides making the list less useful, they also increase the chances of sterile arguments (for example, is Slovenia in Southern Europe or Eastern Europe, when it is probably in both).
So I've removed the extra layer, whilst retaining any other changes Gideonb may have made. If you think I'm wrong, please discuss here. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 11:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
As indicated above, Gidonb also added extra structure in the Asia section. I'm tempted to do the same as I did above with this, but I feel I'm on less firm ground as to how well-defined and/or arbitrary the definitions are. I'd welcome comments on this before I do anything. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 11:32, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
@ Gidonb:Ok, to make things (I hope) clearer, I've started a new section as you suggested.
Firstly let me apologise if my section title came across as 'giving marks'. What I was trying to get across was that I didn't think I was reverting vandalism. I'm well aware that your earliest edits to this article date back to December 2007, around the time I first edited it, so I'm quite sure that you have its best interests at heart. If that isn't how it came across, then sorry.
I don't, on the other hand, feel the need to apologise for making the change without consulting. Any more than you should feel the need to apologise for making your change without consulting. We have both been editing WP long enough to know that nothing is ever lost, and reverting and/or reinstating changes is a fairly simple task. The way WP makes progress is by people being bold, and then working out the consequences in some sort of consensus.
Moving onto the actual issue, to be honest, until you mentioned them in your response, I had no idea that the UN had definitions for sub-divisions of Europe (I'm assuming that these are the ones you are referring to). I do note that they are for statistical purposes, which doesn't necessarily commend them as a content indexing strategy for a list article. And they certainly are not in common usage, which surely is something we ought to look for in such a strategy. And also I'd point out that the article does not exactly follow the UN standard. To do that we would have to unite North and South America as a single continent called 'The Americas' and then split that into sub-continents 'Latin America and the Caribbean' and 'Northern America'. And put Mexico in the former rather than the latter.
I think what I simply didn't get, and what you didn't explain in your edit comments, is why you feel the need was for an extra level of structure. There are, after all, only 190-odd countries in the world, and (if I count right) only 50 listed in this article. And for that number, two superior levels of contents indexing seems a huge overkill. Even with an increased TOC level, it makes life more difficult for the reader who wants to look up all the funiculars in a given country (which I perceive to be the most common use-case) for no good reason that I can see. It might help the discussion if you could indicate the use-case or cases that you believe adding an extra level of structure benefits. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 13:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
As described at the funicular article: "...Counterbalance of two vehicles is also a distinguishable feature of funiculars which separates them from inclined elevators", which is supported by the relevant references.
So far these are the inclined elevators included in this list:
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help):A few days ago I've removed Drahtseilbahn Hotel Montana from the list, commenting it as "Hotel Montana has not a funicular, but an inclined lift as there is no counterbalancing 2nd cabin there". Despite this @ ZH8000: re-added it back to the list with the comment.
Apparently this issue requires some discussion -- Vаdiм ( talk) 13:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
There is an ongoing debate at Talk:Funicular about what is, and indeed whether there is, a distinction between a funicular and an inclined elevator. I've amended the lead of this article to hopefully remove it from that debate, by making explicit what was always the intention of the list. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 10:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
The three funicular railways listed are all in the European part of Turkey, not in the Asian part. When I went to edit the article, I saw an off-putting note saying:
"moving to Europe will lead to blocking of user and IP"
Why is this? Turkey is officially in both Europe and Asia, so why should this article not list the funicular railways correctly? -- User:Gnomon42 14:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Andy. -- User:Gnomon42 09:29, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
As we have now moved Turkey into Europe, how do you propose we should handle Russia?. We have two funiculars listed, one in Sochi and the other in Vladivostok. Apparently, despite being well to the east of Istambul, Sochi is normally considered as being in Europe. Vladivostok clearly isn't. Should we split Russia and list it both in Europe and Asia?.
Are there any other continent spanning countries we need to consider?. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 13:27, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
I have paid attention only to the English list. The long-gone Broadstairs is not a funicular if it had only one car, and the Southend-on-Sea cliff lift is also not a funicular for the same reason. I removed both. If the list includes single cars with counterweights, we have hundreds of thousands of "lifts" or "elevators" to list here. The list already excludes the "cliff lifts" at Whitby and Shanklin, which are vertical elevators, that is, single cars with counterweights. I think we need to follow the definition that requires two cars that counterweight each other. JoeBrennan ( talk) 01:30, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
I thought about this change afterwards and I have just undone it myself rather than be guilty of vandalism. The Southend lift is a particularly tough case. "Though having a single car, the lift is a true counter balanced funicular," says the text of the booklet "An Illustrated Guide to the Funicular Railways of Great Britain," Heritage Railway Association, 2014, and when I rode on the lift in June 2019 the volunteer running it told me it is a funicular. This may be simply loose talk contradicting the proper definition, but I'd be happier to have other opinions on removing these or keeping them but marked as inclined elevators as I have just done. Note, the same booklet calls the Birmingham Airport Air-Rail a funicular, which is quite impossible since it is level! JoeBrennan ( talk) 15:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
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