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Somlai Stolzparth (1932-34 Nice, 1935-36 Alès, 1936-37 Red Star pour Barreaud) (pas de Stolzparth en D1 à Alès en 35-36 et ne figure pas dans la liste des joueurs du Red Star de l'ouvrage "Red Star, histoire d'un siècle): He's Rezső Somlai (born Stolzparth), played 1934 World Cup for Hungary, 1932-34 Nice, 1935-36 Alès. --
necronudist (
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20:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)reply
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Gejza Kalocsay, international tchèque (1937-39 Lille) (OK): Géza Kalocsay/Kalocsai, born in Hungary, 3/0 with Czechoslovakia, 2/0 with Hungary. 1937-39 Lille (don't know if he played in 1938-39). --
necronudist (
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20:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)reply
Hum, I've searched the internet and my books...His place of birth seems quite unfoundable, at least in France...Maybe in Austria??I hope so...Sorry and best regards.--
Latouffedisco (
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07:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Nyvelt (1933-35 Nimes, 1937-38 Red Star) (As for the two Czechoslovaks from SK Náchod I mentioned earlier, one was František Kuchta. The other one is a little bit of a mystery, because there were two players named Nývlt at Náchod. One was Oldřich Nývlt, who represented the ČSR once in 1935 and whose career in the Czech league has a gap in the 37/38 season. The other one was Jaroslav Nývlt who seemingly was at no Czech first league club in the 34/35 season (but as Náchod were relegated he still might have been with them). So I think there is a good chance that probably both Nývlts played in France, Jaroslav at Nîmes and Oldřich at Red Star. As Jaroslav was a goalkeeper and Oldřich a forward, it should be possible to verify or falsify this based on D1 lineups)
Skobsky (1932-33 FC Mulhouse)
One name that is not on the list is Czechoslovak international goalkeeper Bohumil "Bonzo" Klenovec. I found two sources that claim he played in France in the 1930s, one of them stating that he was at Stade Rennais. He came to France very young as a student. I have found no information on when this might been exactly, however there is a gap in his league career in 32/33
Blasko might be János Blasko, whose career in the Czech league ends in 1936 at FK Teplitz. Borhm could be a typo and actually be Boehm, in this case it might be Karl (Karel) Böhm, an Austrian who played in the Czech league and whose career has a gap between 1933 (at Náchod) and the 1934/35 season (at Židenice). (I now found an source that says that an Austrian named Böhm played at Nîmes in 1934, so that should be him.) And I wonder if Brabek could be Václav Brabec-Baron, whose Czech league career ends in the 34/35 season at Bohemians Prague.
According to Austrian sources Kastl was Czechoslovak, was formerly with Reichenberg and after his time in France played at Young Boys Berne. (Barreaud lists him as Austrian)
Weingartner (1935-36 Metz) : listed as Weigarten on the
FC Metz website
Westermann (1937-38 RC Paris): Barreaud lists him as German, but I wonder if this could be Ilja Westermann (also Vestermans), a Latvian international, who played for Hakoah Vienna in 35/36. He wasn't in any of his country's lineups for the three international matches they had during the 37/38 season, in which according to Barreaud a player named Westermann played at RC Paris.
Károly Pintér (1936-37 FC Mulhouse) - No, I could not find him, however it is clearly a Hungarian name! Did he play in any other countries, or do you know more about him? I could look after him as well.
Edouard Schubert (1933-34 Nice, 1934-35 AS Cannes) (Maybe István Schubert?) Played for Ferencvaros - No, I could not find him, however it is clearly a Hungarian name again!
Szabó (1937-38 RC Lens) - I have two Szabó's from this time.
Géza Szabó (1937-39 OSC Lille) and
János Szabó (1934-38 FC Sochaux). Please note, that Szabó is the most frequent surname in Hungary.
Albert Nagy (1936-1939 RC Roubaix) - No, I could not find him however I have a
János Nagy (1903-1966?), who played for Roubaix between 1936-37. 1932-33 Cannes.
Károly Pintér -> Carlo Pintér, born 13-10-1910 in Bratislavia also holds Swiss nationality.
Géza Szabó 1937-38 Lille, 1938-39 Rouen, born 12-6-1912. Hungarian.
János Szabó 1938-39 Sochaux, French Champion 1935 and 1938, born 17-10-1912 in Miskolc. Hungarian. Another Janos Szabo played in France later.
Thanks for your quick corrections:I add some details here:
I wonder if
Albert Nagy (1936-1939 RC Roubaix) is in fact
János Nagy (AS Cannes 32-34) who is alreday in the list. Albert would be his French name.
So Carlo Pintér would be a Slovak player, that's why
gabute was unable to find him in his book about Hungarian players abroad. Same case for Lorentz as he is French.
About Szabos: The first
János Szabó: not sure he played for Sochaux in 1938-39. Seems he rather played for
OFC Charleville in ligue 2 for that season. He also played for Attila club in Hungary before coming to France.
I have nothing more about
Géza Szabó.
It's true that a second
János Szabó came to France. He was born 1/1/1925, a midfielder who came from H.V. Szombathely. Played for Troyes (46-47), Nîmes (47-50), Cannes (50-51) and Grenoble (51-54). It was always in ligue 2, that's why he is not in the list.
So there is still a mysterious Szabo in Lens (37-38). I wonder if it could be a mistake by Barreaud.--
Latouffedisco (
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11:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Indeed, Gabute has done a great research and is gonna send me his files about Hungarian in France through an e-mail. Well, this Szabo in Lens, I think we should forget him as nobody found something about him. By the way, I add Carlo Pintér to the Slovakia section. Good work again.Regards.--
Latouffedisco (
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12:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Sinon il faut que tu m'envois un e-mail via wikipédia pcq je peux te scanner la liste de tous les yougloslaves du championnat de France qui avait été publié par France Football il y a qq temps.
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82.120.150.124 (
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10:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Merci pour cette recherche, ce joueur semble être un vrai fantôme. Je n'ai rien trouvé d'autre sur le web, c'est frustrant. Nos seules sources sont ce lien et son entrée dans le dictionnaire de Barreaud. S'il a obtenu la nationalité française, peut-être devons nous l'enlever de la liste? Qu'en penses-tu?--
Latouffedisco (
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17:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)reply
C'est fort possible, je pense alors le laisser dans la liste, puisqu'il était probablement encore étranger quand il jouait. Merci encore.--
Latouffedisco (
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12:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)reply
Salut. This player, real name: Pavel Makariw, born Jan 26, 1919, was Ukrainian. Before relocating to France via England, he was with
Phönix Karlsruhe in 1946-47 (18 aps., 1 goal). See Werner Skrentny: Als Morlock noch den Mondschein traf, Kassel 2001, p. 206. -- Best,
SpVggLieth (
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10:36, 4 November 2017 (UTC)reply
In Gabute's book we have both Sandor and Imre Grünbaum. It is said that Sandor was a centre-forward who played for
Red Star Saint-Ouen (I'm not sure it is true). For Imre Grünbaum (Grünbaum II), the book only says that he did play in France. Barreaud says that Heinrich Grünbaum, an Austrian played in Antibes in 35/36. I would agree with you: I think that the Grünbaum in Antibes was Imre, because it is closer to French name Henri than Sandor, like Heinrich. We should be careful with nationalities, as French newspapers changed foreign names to French names, more simple to pronounce. In French Sandor was often changed into "Alexandre", like "Alexandre Friedmann" who was "Sándor Janda-Friedmann" in Hungary. I'm not really sure, but this seems quite logical. --
Latouffedisco (
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09:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)reply
What do you mean split by alphabet? Do you mean by player or by country? I'm all for splitting by country but I don't know how it would work.
TonyStarks (
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02:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Hi. If I hadn't realised that ligue is a French word, I would not have known immediately that these lists concern French football. Perhaps it might be an idea to include the country, France, early on in the introduction/lead. regards,
Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (
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00:48, 17 January 2014 (UTC)reply
TBH I just split the article per a long standing split tag without changing the content. I am sure you are correct and I am sure it would be ok to make the change.
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09:03, 17 January 2014 (UTC)reply
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Hello, Have you got the same project for List of foreign Ligue 2 players. I can help you but only about africans players. I don't want to have too much working researches cause it's in my free time (like some of yours). Waiting your answers. For the moment i'm going to add articles and cntribute for helping communauty.
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