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Hmm.. Is this wholly fictional ships, or semi-fictional ships (USS Dallas in Red October) as well? Elde 16:27, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Hmm.. Most of these ships are going to be stubs, so should not the names point to work (print/film/play) in which the ship appears? AIUI Wikipedia policy is to avoid creating stub 'fan pages'. Elde 18:41, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)
The mention of the Rights-of-Man isn't really ficitonal. Given the era in whicht eh novel was set, I've always assumed it to be an Angliscization of the Droits de l'Homme a 74-gun ship-of-the-line during the French Revolutionary wars Varlet16 ( talk) 02:32, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
If nobody objects, I was thinking about removing leading "the's" from ship names for consistency's sake - thus, "The Pequod" would become "Pequod." A very few ships have "the" as part of the name, though, such as USS The Sullivans, so I wouldn't change any of those I was aware of. Brecchie 02:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
This article should probably be at List of ships in fiction as some of the ships listed are real ships that have appeared in various fictional milieux rather than completely fictional creations. Djbrianuk 01:44, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Is this article supposed to contain references only to ships that feature prominently in a work of fiction, or should it also include those mentioned only in passing? For instance, there are dozens of ships mentioned in Moby Dick, but only three mentioned here. I would like to see a comprehensive list fictional ships, but don't know if this is the place. Kirk Hilliard 03:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
The subject(s) of this article should have been more carefully researched. There are ships listed that are in fact actual or were actual ships. The USS Abraham Lincoln is an actual COMMISSIONED ship in the United States Navy and the Andrea Gail was an actual ship which sank in the REAL perfect storm in 1991. Just listing these in this so called list of fictional ships is disrespectful to those who are serving aboard the Lincoln and those who died on the Andrea Gail. This list needs to be closely reviewed and ships that do not fit, removed.
The SNES game Earthbound also has a submarine in it, but it's unnamed as far as I know. I still want to add it - should I? 81.243.19.164 14:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
It might not be a bad idea to consider reformatting the list in a manner similar to that used by the List of fictional astronauts, at the very least it would allow the addition of notes such as cases where real ships are used in fictional novels, it would also allow the grouping of ships by novel which would made adding to the list simpler than it is under the current format. Graham1973 ( talk) 16:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Rather then putting out an AfD, I am merging the entries that have its own article to List of fictional vehicles#Ships, why? This list is becoming a dumping ground for some random non-notable fictional submarines, therefore it will make it an easy target for an AfD. Donnie Park ( talk) 15:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
Ships in Marryat and in Ballantyne should be included. Forester's Brown on Resolution has ships. Niven has a big ship in the Ringworld series. McCaffrey has ships on Pern. Gulliver travelled on ships, and there is a small one in Mistress Masham's Repose. But I cannot recall details. Also, there's the sub in the film which represented the capture in August 1941 of U-570, later HMS Graph, the fiction being that the US Navy did the capturing. 94.30.84.71 ( talk) 16:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Ngaio Marsh had several stories set on ships - Singing in the Shrouds (Cape Farewell), A Clutch of Constables (MV Zodiac) and Artists in Crime — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.122.212 ( talk) 10:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps this is more an organizational issue, but at what point does a 5+ page list of terms and links become a burden rather than being useful? The literature section alone makes my eyes glaze over trying to locate anything within. I understand there is tendency among certain editors here at Wiki to create exhaustive lists and yet, for all that information, fail to write a single paragraph explaining why any of this is important to anyone. I'm not talking about term paper length writing -- any writing would be nice -- because not all of us are fanboys, but we all came here looking for information, which, as it stands, is hard to find. That's two strikes. Then there's the fact there are numerous, numerous errors in this list. For example, while it's true that there were two ships called Aurora in Tintin and Sherlock Holmes they're not, obviously, the same ship or even the same type of ship (plus, The Sign of Four is a novel, not a comic, as the Wiki link to it makes clear). That's strike three. In other words, you have a confusing list of apparent trivia with glaring factual errors and yet editors here talk as if this was somehow a good thing, since no one here seems to have attempted any organizing since 2004. I think 7 years is enough time to assume no one cares enough about this list to actually fix it. I propose deletion. Duende-Poetry ( talk) 14:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I seem to have become involved in an edit war with User:Mediatech492 about including the Soviet merchant ship Yulius Fuchik, featured in the 1986 novel Red Storm Rising by Tom Clancy and Larry Bond, in the article about fictional ships. The ship in question is a barge carrier that was built by the Finnish state-owned shipbuilding company Valmet in the late 1970s and is clearly identified in the novel by the author:
Tom Clancy, practically the creator of the " techno-thriller" genre, is known for his attention to detail. In the book, he provides detailed descriptions of the ship's general arrangement and cargo handling system, and even goes as far as mentioning the ship's operator, Interlighter, by name. The only difference is the transliteration of the name: the ship was named after Julius Fučík, the name which was also used in the novel, but her name was transliterated from the Cyrillic alphabet as Yulius Fuchik in official context such as the MORFLOT fleet list.
In my opinion, there is enough of a proof that Clancy was using an existing civilian ship in the novel like he did with all other naval ships and most of the military equipment (the only exception being, as far as I know, the stealth fighter) instead of coming up with a fictional ship that just happens to be a carbon copy of an existing vessel.
However, my edit to the list of fictional ships has been reverted twice using the following arguments:
In light of the second revert, should we include every ship featured in the novel to this article, including very non-fictional ships such as USS Nimitz (and perhaps rename the article to List of ships in fiction as proposed above)?
Comments regarding the dispute are welcome. Otherwise I'm inclined to remove the ship from the list as non-fictional and, if my edits are reverted, ask for a third opinion. Tupsumato ( talk) 12:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Based on Tupsumato's comments above, it seems the ship in question is not a fictional ship although it appears in a work of fiction. A slight difference in transliteration is a minor issue, especially when compared with the numerous matches noted by Tupsumato. Gatoclass ( talk) 18:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Guy Gilpatric's Mr. Glencannon stories are set on the British tramp steamer, Inchcliffe Castle, in-between the wars. Perhaps I missed it, but wouldn't Jason's ship, the Argo go here? Plus Homer's Iliad has the Catalogue of Ships. If no one minds I'll add these as soon as possible. Cheers! Xenomorph erotica ( talk) 18:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
A cleanup that's under way has been partially reverted on the, to my mind, feeble excuse that links existed to the names of the authors of the books concerned. Leaving aside the obvious requirement for notability to be established with a citation to a reliable source - missing in almost every case in the whole article - the mere presence of a link to the author is utterly inadequate.
Even supposing that Mr. AAA really did write book BBB, and even supposing that ship SSS really was mentioned in that book, the presence of a link to Mr. AAA completely fails to establish the notability of the book, let alone of the ship.
This is not encyclopedic writing, it's mere listing without evidence. It's frankly embarrassing in something that sets itself up as a global encyclopedia, and it's more than time that it stopped. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 21:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
(1) it is verifiably proven to feature (somewhat strongly, we appear to agree) in the book by citations to reliable sources; and
(2) "the book itself" is shown to be notable in the same way, and with a bluelink to an existing article.
It should not be necessary to remind experienced editors of these basic requirements. Since many entries fall foul of these at the moment, I will conclude by reminding you that "any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged must include an inline citation of a source that directly supports the material." That includes all the entries that I have already challenged. It will not be sufficient simply to add a reference to a book, as the article must also show that the named ships feature reasonably strongly in the books concerned. The challenged entries provide nothing approaching that quality of support at the moment.
The article has been tagged as needing citations since November 2011, so there has been more than enough time to add them.
Finally, I intend immediately to remove any remaining entries for ships in books which do not themselves have a (bluelinked) article. To be clear about this, it is easy for anyone to publish a minor book; if that book does not reach the GNG, there is no reason to list ships mentioned within it. Chiswick Chap ( talk) 14:31, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
This procedure is not Wikipedia's idea of making an item "verifiable" - the procedure is far too indefinite and there is no assurance that reliable sources even exist for the item. So, frankly, it is not acceptable. Wikipedia rightly requires written citations IN THE LIST ARTICLE ITSELF - it is not the verifying editor's job to go and see whether any such might possibly be found. The mere existence of an author and a book is not proof that ships are named in the book, nor that the ships are considered notable. We have spent a great deal of valuable time discussing this, and it is time to bring the discussion to a close and spend the time editing articles instead. You have not provided adequate evidence to support your contention, which is sharply against Wikipedia policy, indeed against several of its most basic policies. All editors should from here on consider themselves authorised to remove any uncited items from the article. I won't act hastily here - if you start adding sources, I'll give you time to continue - but given the years that have elapsed since the item was tagged for better citation, it is honestly about time it was cleaned up, either by citation or deletion, it's your choice. All the best, Chiswick Chap ( talk) 20:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
What, noones heard of the Stingray submarine from the Gerry Anderson tv series? Even Thunderbird 4 gets a mention for crying out loud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.244.90.222 ( talk) 10:34, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Star Trek has a slew of fictional ships. I was surprised that the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 was not even mentioned once. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pgwall ( talk • contribs) 20:23, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
The inclusion of Noah's Ark in a list of fictional ships is dubious. It is mentioned in a non-fiction book, as being a real ship.-- Toddy1 (talk) 16:41, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
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Can someone who does this go to NetFlix, select "Patriot Games" (Clancy) and go to 38:13 and you will see the Ergenstrasse which starred, along with John Wayne,in the movie "The Sea Chase". An homage perhaps? That is all. Bjornsonw ( talk) 05:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
2:24 minutes in movie and I saw ship and not in Wiki. I would like somebody to add listing Yokohama-Kobe Osaka Ship movie name The French Connection II year 1975. Thanks. CFBancroft ( talk) 08:17, 7 April 2023 (UTC)