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Not that I want to question the content, but it says that the 1896's tornado caused $ 3 billons in damage? In 1896 dollars... seems a bit excessive and unlikely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.184.76 ( talk) 14:12, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
This list is obviously in early development. and would presumably include lots of disasters that are not natural, so how can it be merged in. ie natural disast list would be a subset of this. See List of United Kingdom disasters by death toll for comparison (obviously the model on which this list has been started). mervyn 11:38, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm agreeing with Mervyn here - it's fledgling, and when complete will be much better. Daemon8666 14:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
perhaps two separate ones: natural and non-natural, and possibly a merged one in addition, but this should not be merged as it would leave nowhere to put non natural disasters.
---Umm, what about the Great Chicago Fire? From great chicago fire page: After the fire, 125 bodies were recovered. Final estimates of the fatalities ranged from 200-300, considered a small number for such a large fire. In later years, other disasters in the city would claim more lives: 571 died in the Iroquois Theater fire in 1903; and, in 1915, 835 died in the sinking of the Eastland excursion boat in the Chicago River. Yet the Great Chicago Fire remains Chicago's most well-known disaster, for the magnitude of the destruction and the city's subsequent recovery and growth.
shouldn't some of these be in here?
2,749 died in World Trade Center on 9/11/2001
Did the Titanic sink in the US? If not, why is it here? Frunobulax ( talk) 17:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Titanic may have been a UK flagged ship, but she was owned by IMM, an American company owned by JP Morgan. Lusitania is listed here, but she was 100% British owned as a Cunarder. Titanic has more claim to being a US Ship than any Cunard ship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.123.146.226 ( talk) 20:34, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
The table sorting is mostly automatic, but there's more documentation available at Help:Sorting if anyone needs it. -- Beland 01:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Before this List is expanded further there should be a debate about whether acts of war are to be included in a list of disasters? I suggest not -- mainly because "war" is a different order of event from what is commonly thought of as "disaster". Also, disaster usually refers to a distinct event, rather than a series of events grouped over years. Am interested to read other thoughts on this. -- mervyn 12:13, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
The problem would be, where do you make the distinction between certain actions, such as terrorism, and an "act of war"? The Bombing of Pearl Harbor is most definitely considered an act of war, we can all agree on that - but what about 9/11? The USS Cole Bombing? The Embassy bombings in 1998? Or really any terrorist act post-9/11, considering it's all part of a global war against terror? Until we can more accurately narrow down a definition for "act of war", I vote to maintain the status quo. Jade Phoenix Pence ( talk) 18:03, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Jade Phoenix Pence
horrible. the title of the article is, in part "by death toll". but it's not ordered at all. the inclusion of war (which is debateable) is in the middle of the list. so, are we to understand that 'millions' is less than 'thousands'? absurd. also, there are no references, besides reference to other wikipedia articles. that's not terribly encyclopedic, particularly when some of those article have zero references of their own. Anastrophe 06:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I have organized the data by type and fatalities, but I don't know how to make charts so it is all lumped up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.15.131.246 ( talk) 01:34, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The fatalities column in this article states how many people died in the disaster overall (e.g. World War I, shows millions of casualties, when the vast majority of these will not have anything to to with the USA), I think the problem needs to be rectified, so that the fatalities list only includes people who have died in the USA, or USA citizens who have died in a disaster abroad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.207.135.211 ( talk) 15:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I've now sorted the article into descending order of number of deaths given in the table, assuming for the purposes of sorting that the number of deaths was small but nonzero if not given. This should give better results for the inital presentation of the list, in particular for browsers with Javascript turned off. -- The Anome ( talk) 01:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, you might just want to list the United States death toll, this is after all an article about disasters in the United States or outside involving US residents. Secondly, a mass murder or school shooting are not classified as "Terrorism" and terrorism itself is not a disaster, the correct wording should be "Terrorist attack". A fair bit of work needs to be done. Nick carson ( talk) 07:04, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
When I try to sort the events by death toll (for lowest first), it puts them into alphabetical order, not numerical. Does anyone know how to fix that? Googlemeister ( talk) 17:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
There should be some type of minimum death toll for it to be counted on this list. In my opinion, if no one died, it's not really a national disaster. Thoughts? Griffinofwales ( talk) 21:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
I think the inclusion of some with low death tolls are based on historical significance ( Space Shuttle Columbia Disaster, Space Shuttle Challenger Disaster), huge economic impact ( 1997 Red River flood), or high injury count ( Phillips explosion of 2000). I think those are fair criteria for the category. That being said, I've deleted a few that don't fit any of those, which to me are no worse than a bad car wreck. Ψν Psi nu 10:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I really don't think that events that happened outside the US belong here; they aren't, strictly speaking, US disasters. I'd make an (admittedly somewhat arbitrary) exception for the USS Maine and the RMS Titanic, since they were distinctly US "properties" and virtually if not all on board were US citizens. The rest are incidental, mostly very recent in timing (Haiti, 2004 tsunami) and create a slippery slope - where do you draw the line on deaths that happen elsewhere? A train accident in Europe that happens to have 20 US citizens on it... do you then have to include that?
I've taken out ones that fit that category, but if you can make a good argument otherwise, I'm game. Ψν Psi nu 10:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
This list has no sources given for the list ordering. And it is clearly missing numerous entries, as for Hurricane Floyd which is mysteriously absent. You're telling me these are the only US disasters that have had 0 or more fatalities? What about the car wreck in my town the other day? This article needs some serious overhaul and actual research done, or it should not exist. — jdorje ( talk) 16:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Other similar lists include the Spanish Flu, and so should this one. There are numerous sources that list the US death toll from it. I'm not savvy enough to edit the chart myself, but I will post the ref.
According to the US Govt. at least 675,000 Americans died. http://1918.pandemicflu.gov/the_pandemic/index.htm
67.82.203.34 ( talk) 22:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
Several of the events on this listed as tornadoes were outbreaks rather than individual tornadoes, such as the April 25–28, 2011 tornado outbreak. Should this article distinguish between outbreaks and single tornadoes with high death tolls? TornadoLGS ( talk) 21:55, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
I have started this RfC to receive feedback on whether or not both Direct and Indirect Deaths should be listed for 2012's Hurricane Sandy. It is worth noting that just below Sandy's entry, the 2011 Joplin tornado has only Direct Deaths listed. United States Man ( talk) 03:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
The tornado leveled the town of Woodward, Oklahoma not Woodward, TexasCite error: There are <ref>
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While I always question the value of such lists as there - the Beacon St fire of 2014, which killed 2 Boston firefighters is listed. but the Hotel Vendome fire which killed 9 BFD FFs is not; likewise, the 1916 trolley disaster which killed 46 is not, though the Molasses Flood is. Irish Melkite ( talk) 10:02, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
"by death toll" is inaccurate, as it can be sorted multiple ways and death toll is merely one of those - while that might have been the initial basis for listing, it is no longer the sole one (and for many, will not be the one of most interest, as I suspect location would be a popular choice. Irish Melkite ( talk) 10:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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Jonestown should not be on this list, since it occurred in a foreign country. 137.125.142.65 ( talk) 00:39, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Just wondering. Shouldn't this article also mention massacres of Native American civilians like Camp Grant or Colfax etc.? Aaton77 ( talk) 10:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Every incident that causes a death isn’t a disaster. (While a definition outside Wikipedia is, of course, better, let’s use this one for convenience.) Qwirkle ( talk) 15:47, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the inclusion criteria are here, but one might want to consider adding the great 1936 North American heat wave, which has been blamed for approximately 5,000 deaths (due in part to the lack of air conditioning in most homes and businesses as of 1936). Dragons flight ( talk) 08:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Instead of grouping lists by number of deaths, why not do it by type of disaster and then include only the top ten death tolls in each? It would be useful to know what kinds of disasters can wreak havoc in the United States. 9March2019 ( talk) 03:53, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
So, we've had a number of people who apparently don't know how to read come in and add the current coronavirus pandemic even though the lead states that epidemics are not included. Is there any way we can curb these? TornadoLGS ( talk) 03:59, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
I was one of those users who added coronavirus to this page. Can you clarify why epidemics are not included beyond it says so on the page? This is clearly a disaster. If Jonestown and 9/11, non-natural disasters are included, why would coronavirus not be included? Clearly with the addition to this page by several people, folks think this is a disaster. Even the Surgeon_General_of_the_United_States recently stated "This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment and our 9/11 moment only it's not going to be localized, it's going to be happening all over the country." [1] Librarianbs ( talk)
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A few times I have removed attempts at adding the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic since it is stated in the lead that epidemics are not included. I had been under the impression that there was a decision to exclude them for some reason, but that does not seem apparent from the history. There has been a push to add COVID-19 to the list, but shouldn't be added unless other epidemics are included as well. Should we open this list up to epidemics? TornadoLGS ( talk) 01:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Like United States military casualties of war, this page only counts U.S. deaths, whereas list of epidemics doesn't distinguish U.S. from non-U.S. deaths, making it hard to compare numbers. Given the number of editors who have already tried to add epidemic stats to the list, the need for comparable numbers, and the level of support in the discussion above, I've started adding epidemic stats to the list. So far I think I've got all with 100,000 or more U.S. deaths. Some influenza seasons are very noteworthy and have their own Wikipedia articles, and these should definitely be included. As we get into lower numbers of deaths, for consistency we can either show years whether or not they have an article, or below some threshold just roll up long-running pandemics like this into a cumulative disaster (which would avoid having 100+ rows for flu, the numbers for earlier years being increasingly uncertain). -- Beland ( talk) 20:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Am currently working on expanding the list with tornado outbreaks from using List of North American tornadoes and tornado outbreaks. I noticed that right now this list currently mostly only contains single tornadoes with high numbers of fatalities (e.g. 2013 Moore tornado is listed as 24 deaths), and yet the 2011 Super Outbreak is counted as a single disaster with 348 deaths rather than individual tornadoes which each killed no more than 72 people, and even includes 24 non-tornadic deaths. As a compromise, my idea would be to count all deaths caused by the system in the US and clarify if any are non-tornadic in nature, and also list in the "notes" column any tornadoes which, on their own, would qualify for the list. Thoughts? Ionmars10 ( talk) 22:05, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
The air pollution pandemic kills millions worldwide every year. 2603:9001:9202:78BF:ED7F:B274:1CB6:3A93 ( talk) 21:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
I've been researching this through Wikipedia, Grazulis, AMS articles, and NWS websites (among others) and am about to publish my article. (Of note, researching the towns to create proper links for everything is extremely time-consuming.) And I've announced this in three different major weather-related Talk types of pages, and I still see folks adding more tornado information on this page. I'd rather my 6+ weeks of research didn't become irrelevant or, worse, deleted.
Maybe we can make this page non-meteorological in nature and refer folks elsewhere for those? Wasn't someone working on pages with death tolls caused by hurricane and/or flooding? If not, maybe we can work on those pages as well? I'd obviously be happy to create a deadliest hurricane page once I finish posting these tornado-related pages. Dym75 ( talk) 19:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
About a million people died of it, and there's no section for it. 2600:6C67:8C00:5A61:6DBB:1679:52AF:DD89 ( talk) 14:27, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
I don't think they're disasters as they don't really have an effect on debris nor buildings. 120.28.224.32 ( talk) 14:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
Currently listed as 49 deaths from 1892 explosion but neither our article nor a quick scan of Newspapers.com support that. It seems like was more like 6-9 casualties. Not sure if it's a hoax or a mistake or if I'm misunderstanding something. jengod ( talk) 03:34, 27 July 2024 (UTC)