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Please protect this article from unregistered (IP) user access. The level of "IP-vandalism" has recently increased sharply. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Лъчезар ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Why does WEO redirect here? DOR (HK) ( talk) 08:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There has been some vandalism in this site. According to the CIA Factbook S.Korea is in the 15th place far below. Somebody has vandalised the chart today.-- 88.26.57.166 ( talk) 12:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
The CIA and World bank lists are obviously wrong,Brazil is way up and China seems to be missing from them.Who changed it? Fireaxe888 ( talk) 19:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Template:Lists of countries has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Cybercobra ( talk) 06:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please update the list: http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf 208.79.239.160 ( talk) 21:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Should other alliances be listed since the EU is listed? Maybe NAFTA. NATO. Heck, we could do western hemisphere, trade wind countries, countries that have the most English speakers, countries that border each other and countries that start with A? There really is no reason to have a trade alliance/organization listed with actual countries other than it makes some people feel better. The question is, where do we draw the line? From my understanding, all the countries in the EU send individual representatives to the UN and also to the Olympic games. They are individual sovereign entities. Not a singular country. While it does offer a reference point for the continent, it does not belong where it is currently placed. Maybe it would be a good project to list GDP by continent or trade organization? Anyway, I have removed the EU from the tables as it does not belong with country data unless we were to widen the overall scope (i.e. not list by country, but by geographic region/organization/alliance.) Neutralis ( talk) 21:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Consensus has already been reached; you can't decide to change it because you don’t agree with it. Please read the previous discussions on the talk page. Zarcadia ( talk) 12:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
The EU is not a country and only provides an arbitrary reference point that is superfluous being the world data is included. If we were to include the EU, we could easily cherry pick other non-nation organizational bodies and add them to the list, but in effect that would further move from the core of the article which is, "List of Countries by GDP." While the EU is an important political body, it does not meet the criteria for list of inclusion on a list of countries, being it is not one. Neutralis ( talk) 13:01, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Here's how wikipedia works, since you've twice now removed information which was the result of a long debate and from which a consensus was reached. Number One: your particular views on what qualifies for inclusion on a list of countries is not the crucial criterion here - the crucial criterion is whether those who make the lists decide to include the data. Which is why we also include data Hong Kong, Jersey and other non-country entities. Because those who made the lists chose to include that data. Even when their lists say "countries," non-country entities are included when they include it. That is the operating premise behind listing the data. Number Two: This is not just my particular view on what should be on the page, as said previously, we've had this debate and the consensus was to reproduce the data as found on the originating lists. So to come in here and declare the page to be "wrong" and make substantial changes without first gaining consensus is, well, not the way things work around here.
Throwing an organizational body on to the list for "pride" or whatever reason it is there does not change the fact that it does not belong. If I had a list of population by state (US) and then threw New England on the list, it wouldn't belong as it is not a state but rather a region. The same logic applies here.
Sounds like the one who is operating from "pride" is you, neutralis, seeking to omit the largest economy in the world for what seems to be a goal to see the United States at number one. But it already is at number one, since the EU/EZ is not numbered. What "fact" is not changed is that the EU is included on lists some of which are called "country" lists. States? They aren't listed, so to apply your reductio ad absurdum argument doesn't work since the sources lack the data. I have speculated before that since the EU is a sui generis entity, the sources themselves see it warrants inclusion as though not a country, it is also not simply a regional trade bloc. And since the EU acts like a nation in many important economic respects - a common currency for most of the bloc, a body-wide trade rules regulator etc. - its inclusion was deemed relevant by those making the lists. Canada Jack ( talk) 17:06, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
It is not for you to presuppose my goals or declare I have an agenda, nor to tell me how wikipedia works...
Since you did precisely that - presuppose why the EU was included (and not Hong Kong etc) - one wonders why you doth complain so loudly... As for how wikipedia works, since a) you repeatedly removed content without discussion and b) waded into a discussion for which consensus has previously been reached, it seems you have, in your haste, forgotten how things are normally done around here.
But enough of this snide back and forth. Your points on the status of the EU are good points - and were a large part of the discussion previously held. No one now or then suggests the EU is or was or will be (well maybe) a "country." The discussion turned on whether to include data which seemed to fall outside of the article's definition which was included on the source pages. Since the sources saw fit to include the data, it was decided we should so, with several caveats - that this was mentioned within the introduction and the non-country entities not be ranked.
The argument, "The CIA does it this way and thus Wikipedia must follow that mold" does not at all run current to the base operating procedure in this community. We create an article and source the article to supporting documents. We do not take supporting documents and write an article with its vision as a template.
But its not just the CIA, and this you don't seem to appreciate. Twenty years ago, this would not have been an issue, as the sources wouldn't have made the separate listing. But things have changed, and the EU is now almost universally listed as an entity. If not a country, then often listed aside countries for the purposes of comparison. What I said before about this stands: To remain relevant, wikipedia should reflect the evolving understanding of issues out there and to reflect the information which the sources choose to deem as relevant. It would seem that for a number of reasons, comparisons with the EU are seen as relevant. So, while certain nationalist hackles are raised (on both sides) whether one side seeks to be number one or not, the salient point is the primary sources here see the comparison as important and relevant, quite outside the "trivia" of listing various trading blocs. So, to stick too closely to a dictionary definition as if this overrides any question of relevancy, is to embrace the forest but not the trees.
In conclusion, this is a straightforward issue that should not be a subject of contention or long debate. This is a list of countries and the EU is not a country. It is that simple. There is no reason for its inclusion.
You are right, but the debate has been held, and consensus has already been reached. And that consensus was to include the EU, with the proviso that an intro would mention that non-national entities were included and those entities would not be ranked but placed within the tables by GDP. So, unless others want to re-open the issue, that would be the last word on this issue. Canada Jack ( talk) 19:30, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
As a rule, I agree with Neutralis. The European Union is not a sovereign state and does not meet any other reasonable definition of the word "country". It should not, generally speaking, be assumed that the European Union belongs on any list "of countries" on Wikipedia without good and specific reasons for inclusion. Under no circumstances should it be implied that the European Union is a sovereign state unless such assertion can be demonstrated using a reliable source (such as an EU treaty) - I'm not accusing anyone of this, just stating it in general terms.
But these are single-source lists. It would be strange for us to cite this as the list by the World Bank, or by the IMF, and then exclude one of the entities listed by the World Bank/IMF. It's far easier for all concerned when single-source lists use their sources to determine their inclusion criteria.
So, while generally my view is that the EU and eurozone do not belong on lists of countries, I don't think we should exclude them when we're explicitly reproducing a list from a source that includes them. Pfainuk talk 20:45, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to point out to everybody participating in this discussion the fact that of the three sources referenced in this article, Only CIA clearly mentions EU along with "regular" countries.
It seems the IMF data in this article is made up of the combination of two different listings, this one and this one. Only the first one is a proper country list, while the second one is a list of country groups, where the editors of this article considered appropriate to deliberately deselect all country groups but World and European Union, the only ones considered by them worth mentioning, despite the fact the original source considered appropriate to include the other ones. Then, they proceeded to merge the two lists to suit their own personal preference, creating this new definition for the word country, found only in Wikipedia.
Then, the editors kept the same policy for the World Bank reference, choosing to pick European Area from a different section of the table, where some country groups are represented, and again, contrary to the source, decided the only country groups worth mentioning are World and European Area, again, deliberately letting out other country groups considered relevant by the original authors of the reference.
I strongly recommend you to not believe me and verify this yourself. The fact the correct information can be found in the sources is irrelevant, as Wikipedia is not just a mere link aggregator, and the way the information is presented in the article is misleading. Do you really believe a child researching this article for schoolwork is going to check the references? The introduction tries to justify this aberration by saying "the sources told me so", but using this criteria the sources also mention South Asia and Middle income country groups. Displaying prominently European Union alone will leave in such a child the impression EU is a country, and this is also no excuse to edit other countries from the list, because EU and World (the last one partially justifiable as a sum of the elements) are the only elements evidently handpicked and misplaced. Weeweew ( talk) 09:19, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
Weeweew: Clearly, you've not looked too closely at the pages in question. The WB lists the euro area. On the wikipedia page, we have, under the WB listings, the euro zone. This is one and the same entity, something I suspect you may not be aware of, or are confused about, as you used the phrase "European Area" earlier. So, your complaints about it not being the European Union are moot as the list has it as "euro zone," which is precisely what is listed on thr WB list. And the euro zone is the only distinct entity on that table. It is no way an "artificial country grouping" as the zone is specifically defined, and, indeed, there is an article on this entity, unlike the others on the page.
So, we have the CIA and the WB specifically listing, to the exclusion of all other aggregate entities, the European Union and the euro zone. The IMF also lists it, though not as exclusively. And, let's be clear here, the CIA doesn't "define" the EU as a country, it states quite plainly that, though nominally a list of countries by GDP, there are non-country entities on the list. IOW, the CIA, and the WB, while saying "country" clearly don't limit the lists to countries. Hong Kong has NEVER been considered a country but, routinely, "country" listings on this and other subjects, routinely list it, without hand-wringing from pedantic critics.
I couldn't care less about US/EU, I'm only frustrated to see Wikipedia becoming increasingly useless, as articles age and are "adopted" by people strongly misconceived and strongly stubborn. I find that an extremely odd statement. How does including the EU make the page "useless"? I'd say having the info makes it very useful - and relevant. If this was a list of countries, period, you've have a point. But its a list of economies, ranked by country, with some data included seen as relevant or in demand by the sources. It's EXTREMELY relevant, given the EU's single bloc, the use of the euro, to have some comparative measure of its economy with other economies. The EU (not Germany or France), enter into trade negotiations with other regions and countries (Canada and the EU are negotiating, for example), and its regulatory structure is as influential as America's.
Why does the authors/editors of the article considered it to be appropriate to search for EU/EZ outside the main reference (in case of IMF) or the main section of the table (in case of WB), and in both cases deliberately exclude other country groups found at the originals? There may be an argument for that in the case of the IMF, but, as I said above, the euro area is the only economic entity listed on the WB page. No other regional entities are listed.
US has a single army, which can be mobilized as a single entity, regardless of the State soldiers originally belong to You are missing the point. No one claims that the EU is a country. However, it is sui generis and while not a country, it is also not simply a trade bloc. Trade blocs generally don't have a parliament and a president. The EU does. As I have reiterated, the sources choose to list it, perhaps for the reason of sui generis, so should we. If the argument is "omit non-countries," then, logically, we'd have to second-guess the sources and start omitting places like Hong Kong.
Why isn't there a "See Also" link for "Organizations who are calling the shots", with NATO, WTO, EU and even, in some instances, UN? Because they aren't on the lists. You seem to miss the point of why I mentioned that - I am simply offering an possible rationale for the SOURCES to have listed the EU/EZ and not other entities. I would speculate that NATO, the UN etc lack the economic cohesion and economic clout of the EU. Why not ask the sources? Canada Jack ( talk) 21:59, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
belong on the lists, then "World" doesn't either, as it's the root economic state, comprising everything. Nor would any other non-national, non-sovereign, or non-state entities either. These lists should mirror the list from each of the three sources, since it's their list. Country does not always or necessarily mean exactly the same as sovereign state, or some of the other legal or international law definitions. It's like the term "terrorism" in that we have no one single universal definition. And there are other ambiguities of inclusion in these lists. For example, what about Ireland—the whole island—not just the Republic of Ireland? What about the members of the British Commonwealth, NATO, NAFTA, Organization of American States, the US territories, and other organizational, economic, regional, geopolitical, ethnic, or continental groupings. Inclusion criteria by the sources are apparently not based on extremely well and totally agreed on definitions, and—as in most issues—there are shades of grey and differences. Wikipedia can't make those inclusion decisions without doing original research or synthesis. The reporting organizations have made them. Note: Came here via RfC. Bottom line: Mirror the lists from the three sources, as they are, which includes the EU. — Becksguy ( talk) 12:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
The heading "of Countries" should probably be "of Economies"
Kormie (
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03:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Support Inclusion and oppose renaming to economies. Renaming to economies will just confuse everything, bring into question why the EU doesn't have a rank and why each of the member nations are included etc. Including the EU in the list has been argued over viciously before, and I agree entirely with it being there. I really hate this particular argument because it's true, the EU is not a country. But that doesn't mean that its inclusion in this list isn't useful as a comparison to other countries, just as it is useful to include the World total. It is obvious to anyone that spends more than a millisecond looking at the list and the intro that the EU is not a country, so the opportunity for confusion due to this extra information seems very slim. So the choices, in my view, are to make the article less useful by removing the EU and all the other "non countries" in the list (the world and various dependencies etc) or to say that such pedantry is not an improvement to the article and leave it how it is. TastyCakes ( talk) 00:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Support Inclusion and oppose renaming to economies. The EU is not a country but it is useful to include the EU (and the Euro area) with lists of countries, and it would not be helpful to rename the article. Other organizations obviously also think so. I would support inclusion of an explicit footnote explaining the situation (wasn't there such a note, previously?); this could echo the statement in the CIA Factbook, which includes the EU in the Country Profiles:
"Although the EU is not a federation in the strict sense, it is far more than a free-trade association such as ASEAN, NAFTA, or Mercosur, and it has many of the attributes associated with independent nations: its own flag, anthem, founding date, and currency, as well as an incipient common foreign and security policy in its dealings with other nations. In the future, many of these nation-like characteristics are likely to be expanded. Thus, inclusion of basic intelligence on the EU has been deemed appropriate as a new, separate entity in The World Factbook. However, because of the EU's special status, this description is placed after the regular country entries."
-- Boson ( talk) 10:25, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
This article contains Original Research in the form of adding Eurozone to list #2 and by incorporating separate, different non-country lists (alternative source) in list #1.
In addition, I would point out that not only is the EU or Eurozone not a country, including it is biased in that other joint economic unions or trading areas are excluded.
EU and European should ONLY be included when the original source has them. Otherwise it is Original Research. If the original source has them they should NOT be excluded. This means that it may be appropriate to include it in the third list, but only in the third list. -- Blue Tie ( talk) 19:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
-- Blue Tie ( talk) 18:31, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
The lists are from the SAME source in case one, and is not "combine[d] material from multiple sources." Seems you have not carefully checked the sources here, I urge you to do so. As I said, if we are to omit the EU, then, logically, we should also omit the World. The source saw it relevant to note two additional GDP figures - for the world, for the EU. Therefore, so should we. The question one should ask is: why did the source bother to list the world and EU GDP figures, and only the world and EU figures? It seems because they thought it relevant to do so. Therefore, so should we. It's not as if we went searching to find how to include the EU here, the source supplied the numbers.
The second list includes, unnumbered, the figures for the world and for the eurozone. But it's on a single list. Not sure how one can say there are two lists there. If this wasn't so, why are notes for subscripts for France and others found under the table?
As for your suggestion about reproducing the CIA list alphabetically, what "intent" are we talking about here which needs preservation? The "intent" to display countries in an alphabetical sequence? Or the "intent" to display the GDP of these countries? Surely the CIA had no "intent" to list for the world's benefit a definitive alphabetic ranking of world economies. It's not as if there is a breathless wait each year to see of the CIA still considers Fiji to be alphabetically in front of Finland... Canada Jack ( talk) 19:04, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
Despite efforts to hide behind pretensions of academic propriety it’s clear to any sentient being that those who don’t like having the EU included in these lists are American supremacists’ who can’t handle the reality of the EU as unique ‘state-like’ entity. Wikipedia is supposed to be an information source for the purpose of providing relevant information, not stroking jingoistic egos. The EU is totally unique because it’s far more than just an organisation with a narrow remit, such NAFTA, NATO etc. The EU has unprecedented levels of integration concerning social law, open internal borders, common passports and a great many other elements that are only to be found elsewhere in the World within traditional single nation organisations. Furthermore, this process of union is developing exponentially; the recent ratification of the Lisbon Treaty being significant. Today, the 19th November 2009, the EU has created its first full term President and Cabinet, ending the previous six monthly cyclical presidency system, with authority to represent all its member states in a way far more similar to the way the President of the USA functions than as a mere chairperson of a trade or mutual defence organisation. Indeed, the Lisbon Treaty finally puts an end to any argument as to whether or not the EU should be represented in this article. Additionally those who continue to argue against this inclusion are now clearly revealed as nothing more than US patriotic spoilers. 81.107.64.19 ( talk) 05:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I am not going to edit the page, I'll that for others more involved. I just wanted to suggest that population figures be included in the GDP chart. Better yet would be GDP divided by the number of people. So for instance if you looked at the chart now, you might reach the conclusion that China and Japan have similar economic production, but China's GDP per person is much much lower than Japan's. 97.91.175.129 ( talk) 05:20, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Vatican city, which is known to be rich...???-- 222.64.18.96 ( talk) 05:49, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't understand how people come here and without notifying anything they revert a page. I went onto the IMF website and found the last report and estimates of the 184 members of the International Monetary Fund as I included in this source. So I don't understand why people reverted everything I did. I took the numbers from the IMF website. I'm not making anything up. I spend over 2 hours updating this page and is very rude to simply delete it without at least explaining me why. However I edited it again because those are actual numbers. Thanks. 201.248.70.93 ( talk) 00:46, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has read the news, they'll know that the Italian economy has overtaken the British one.-- Theologiae ( talk) 18:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
It was just a blip caused by the sudden and short lived drop in the exchange rate between the Euro and the Pound. For a moment the Pound was worth just 1.06 Euros but has now reverted back to a more realistic rate of 1.10 to 1.12. UK is now just ahead of Italy again. The current reccession has hit the UK harder than the Euro zone. Just before the crises the UK was just ahead of France; it will be intersting to see how this volatile exchange rate mechanism develops over the next year or two; will the Pound recover further and will the Euro continue the fall started a month ago? There's no doubt that Italys' adoption of the Euro has made her relative GDP jump exponetially over the last few years. Clearly her economy is being substantially supported by Germany and France principally and secondarily by the little power house economies of the high functional states of the Benelux group.
81.107.64.19 (
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05:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
shouldnt we use the IMFs 2009 GDP figures now? 2008 is nearly over!!! its about time we re do the IMFs 2008 list and update it to 2009 Bro5990 ( talk) 21:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Why doesn't someone just put the project figures below the official 2008 figures? Just be sure to note that they are projected.-- Mark0528 ( talk) 17:24, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
According do this site (IMF) : http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2006&ey=2009&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=158&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC%2CLP&grp=0&a=&pr.x=55&pr.y=16 Japan's GDP in 2009 will be $5,048.634 billions (it was $4,910.692 billions in 2008).
How is this possible ? We know that the Projected % Change of Japan's GDP for 2009 is -5,4% ! ( http://www.imf.org/external/country/JPN/index.htm) -- Zhonghuo ( talk) 21:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Why cann't people just wait for the real 2009 figure coming cout in April 2009, rather than putting projected data of 2009? Be patient —Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidshou ( talk • contribs) 16:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I do not have a clue because this website doesn't tell me proparly.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.81.231 ( talk) 16:57, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
China to Surpass Japan to Become 2nd Largest Economy (Sinocast) December 29 2009. -- Before2012 ( talk) 09:41, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
How can we fix this article? Anyone that even gets a bristle of the hair follicles on their body when the wind blows knows the EU is not a country. I'm not going to keep fighting to make this article factual. I know "I've lost." Well, not me, but rather the information has been disrupted. The people have lost. The people that come here to see that there is the "World" - a list of countries and the EU, which I am sure brings back sweet, sweet memories for the majority of the populous of this colonial earth.
I put in a RFC. I think 6 people took the time to look at it and it was gone with no comment. Thus, this article will be ruled by the maintainers. Wikipedia worst case scenario...
And then we have the aged argument, "..but,...but....a decision was made on this back when..." A decision was made on Pluto as well. Smart people looked at it and realized it was an orbiting body on the inner edge of the ort cloud rather than a "planet" in our simple definition.
Here are the facts: Title of said article is - List of countries by GDP. Is the EU a country? No.
How hard is this, really? Is it a marker? Sure. Is it important? Yes. Is it a country. No.
I should "crusade" on this topic as it is ridiculous that simple fact be ignored for other purposes. This is Wikipedia. Let's get is right. The EU has no place here. None. Neutralis ( talk) 22:46, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
JesusIMF, WB and CIA all include the EU/Eurozone. Is wikapeadia all of a sudden too lofty to ignore the EU? Its pretty obvious the EU is put in for comparison and above all because its the way the world is heading (continental trade blocks). Or is this realy about the fact Americans dont take the top spot any more in the global economy, and your feeling insecure? If it is realy about the EU NOT being a country then change the title to List of countries and political unions by GDP (nominal) and if you all didnt know the UK is 4 countries in Union, is the EU any differant? realy? except for the fact the EU is much younger and less unified than the UK, but time sorts all......so if the EU goes then so dose the UK...one rule must apply to all... basicly Change the title or have it mates... Bro5990 ( talk) 13:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Also if people use their brain, the EU and world dont have a rank. Simply there for comparison. the UK however, which isnt even a country has a rank....if you Neutralis were truely concerned about the integrity of the artical then the UK should be your foremost concern!!!!
EU is the worlds largest Political and Economic Union and dominates the world economic system, its currency is replacing the $, and already the Euro is the new global currency for Oil, the Euro is also much stronger than the $...simply the EU is too important to remove from the list.
Bro5990 (
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13:33, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Against the repeated claim in the edit summaries, there is no evidence of any consensus, not even an open discussion whether this page should be moved.
The moving editor was bold in moving (fair enough) was reverted, and then moved again.
In the absence of the claimed consensus in the edit summary I think this is not a good way forward.
In any case, if this were a list of economies rather than countries we should list ALL none country economies, that includes those of ALL the different economic unions in the world AND ALL the subcountry economies (e.g. those of all the US states). And all of that with reliable sources. Without that information the move towards economies is making this article infinitely worse than it is now. The challenge lies with you Neutralis, provide these numbers (immediately) or stop pushing this move. Arnoutf ( talk) 23:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Someone please (on my vacation) get a real RFC here so we can actually have an outside look at the simple issue of, "is the EU a country." I know it is a hard thing that they don't teach in school...but I believe in smart people "out there" that can work their way through a dictionary. And no, the claim that the EU is a reference is BS...we can pull in all sorts of references. What makes the EU special? Because those countries where involved in enslaving most of the world for half a millenia? I personally don't think so... Neutralis ( talk) 23:51, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Stats, numbers. List of countries by GDP. How hard is this, really? Neutralis ( talk) 23:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Why are we using US dollars instead of national currency units for GDP ? Can we create a new article with these numbers ? Polylepsis ( talk) 11:59, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
When do the 2009 figures come out? could some one tell me please? I do hope we dont have to wate too long........ Bro5990 ( talk) 12:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Would it be possible to create a revised list adjusted for national debt? It would be interesting to see how countries such as the EU, US, and China were affected by their debt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.72.87 ( talk) 23:59, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
...BEHIND CANADA? -- 89.97.21.231 ( talk) 21:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Why not? Bubu 05-05-09 12:01 CET —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.224.160.136 ( talk) 10:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
jjaajjaja ya canda..the last of the last..why canada is in the g8? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.102.250 ( talk) 12:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/recession/6418344/UK-economy-overtaken-by-Italy.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.42.102.250 ( talk) 12:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Taiwan name according to IMF is Taiwan Province of China. See: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/02/weodata/weoselco.aspx?g=110&sg=All+countries+%2f+Advanced+economies Polylepsis ( talk) 22:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
China overtake Japan! [1] [2] [3] -- 88.69.218.160 ( talk) 22:44, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
Not Yet! This list is for 2008. Although it is legitimate to ask if the figures for China in 2008 should be updated to 4.6 billion as indicated by the latest Census in China based on your references.