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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was
I propose that the word "Contactee" is clearly an undeniable a
noun used to describe "the state of proclaiming to having been in contact with extraterrestrials", rather than "the state of actually having been in contact with extraterrestrials". Therefore, regardless of whether an individual has or has not "actually" been in contact with ET they should be called a contactee.
Thus, this page should be renamed "list of contactees" or "list of self-professed contactees".
A person should only be referred to as an "alleged contactee" if an allegation has been made against them by a third party. For example, were the head of NASA to appear on CNN and say he had proof that the head of the CIA had been consorting with Martians to overthrow the Federal Government, then he may be referred to as an "alleged contactee". However, if the head of the CIA said it himself (made a self proclamation), then he would merely be a "contactee".
move i like the idea, but I have had issues before were people want to enforce the "alleged" in the title... hehe, should we wait for more responses? (:O) -
Nima Baghaeitalk ·
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email15:16, 13 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Is there a "rename" forum, or do all the discussions happen here? Is anybody here concerned that the title may violate
WP:BLP, after all 99% (if not 100%) of people on this page declared themselves to be contactees, I don't think that any of them were ever accused of being a contactee by somebody else. -
perfectblue16:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)reply
No, all contactees are alleged until such time as actual contactee evidence happens. Removing "alleged" is borderline POV-pushing. NPOV does not mean we have to take the lunatics listed here at their word. --
ScienceApologist17:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)reply
I stand by what I aid earlier. Contactee is a self appointed title. It simply means that they claim to have been in contact, not that they actually have been in contact.
I don't see "alleged" as any worse than "(self) professed" or "purported". I'm fine with any of those, but not "list of contactees". --
Minderbinder16:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Support, where no allegations have been made, the use of the word alleged is prejudicial. It implies that they have been the subject of an accusation and thus also that being a contactee is a bad thing. For example, "George Bush is an alleged member of the Republican party", "You're girlfriend is allegedly blond". -
perfectblue17:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Support.
Contactee defines the term as "persons who claim to be in regular contact with extraterrestrials". That makes "self-professed" redundant, and "alleged" and "purported" don't make sense within that context. The category is at
Category:Contactees, the article is at
Contactee, and
WP:BLP issues were brought up in the recent AfD due to the wording of the current title. It seems that all the concerns of the opposers were dealt with in the original move request. I see no reason not to move the page to the simpler title.
Dekimasuよ!07:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
This article has been renamed from
List of alleged contactees to
list of contactees as the result of a
move request.Although I consider it unlikely that the title would have been misinterpreted as meaning "those accused by others of having alien contact", I also see no problem with having the shorter title, since we are consistent in using a definition of "contactee" (which I assume to be the usual definition outside WP) which states that they are people who claim to have been contacted by aliens.
Words like "alleged" are to be avoided. The case of spiritual mediums is different, because the definition of medium does not included "claimed". --
Stemonitis08:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)reply