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Discussion needed HERE -- Isaac Newton's occult studies
For the following reasons:
Someone please confirm this, as I am sure it will be pointed out I am not neutral enough (as I do not believe in astrology). Lundse 09:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Stating that I'm "not notable," have you asked either Jim Lewis or Louis Freeh about that? Children, Ever heard of an autobiography? So, legitimate autobiographical material is AGAINST Wikipedia policy?? Damage a potential that Wikipedia could have!! Isn't there a first for everything? Are firsts invalid because there isn't a precedent? Please show me the document handed you that promised that everything worth knowing is on the Internet. StarHeart 22:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
See this link on Newton and Astrology at the University of Utrecht NL. It answers all such claims quite convincingly [1]. Quote
I quite doubt that this "example" would prove beyond all doubt that Newton was not an astrologer. Moreover, this contention continues to come from some who themselves have not studied astrology whatsoever, but seem to have strong "beliefs" about astrology - despite their ignorance of the astrological sciences, and the history of astronomy in general. Many of Newton's astronomical and mathematical works not only originated from his study of astrology while at Cambridge, but of alchemy: as well as his personal correspondence with astrologers in England, and the United States. Also suggest Lumos, that before you contend that Newton was not an astrologer, that you read several books published at Cambridge on Newton's studies of astrology. Newton's passions lay in astrology, alchemy and theology. Moreover, the interview with his nephew, Conduitt, is not quoted in full, but is surely used by detractors to continue their weak assaults on astrology by maintaining that Newton was not an astrologer, when he surely was. Moreover, Newton's work was preceded by other "astrologers" as Brahe, Copernicus, Kepler, etc., and continued the mathematical mapping of the stars, and creation of better ephemerides. Theo 22:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
When I first studied Astrology, it was to debunk the topic. The more earnest my studies, the more I found that Astrology actually WORKED. So, why couldn't Newton have had a negative opinion initially, then changed his mind after further study? (I'm not saying that I agree with every statement made by every Astrologer. I back Declinations, Cosmobiology, Michael Munkasey, Robert Hand, Martin Schulman, Noel Tyl, Karen Hamaker-Zondag, Martin Goldsmith, Maritha Pottenger, Jim Lewis, plus Michel & Francoise Gauquelin.) StarHeart 22:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, this is true. I've worked with many scientists and skeptics of astrology, who, as they studied, became avid students, and some, astrologers themselves. One of the major problems with detractors of astrology is that they often have no knowledge of the science, and replace their skepticism with a cynical view. This blocks any learning and continues the negative, and false "view" of astrology - from the outside. Some "astrologers" as well, are just at fault; especially those who practice sun-sign astrology, with the spreading of very watered-down and unscientific "practice" of astrology. However, anyone who studies in earnest, serious astrology, knows that indeed, it is a science to practice, and a rather difficult one at that. Theo 05:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
ON A DIFFERENT NOTE: It's fine to remove "Liz Greene" because "Elizabeth Greene" is already on the list (and I apologize for not noting the duplication) but to my knowledge she has never used the name "Elizabeth," so possibly we should respect that? What do you think? -N.Harris ( NaySay)
Liz Greene publishes under the name LIZ Greene. She does NOT go by the name Elizabeth Greene. Stick to the topics you know. StarHeart 22:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Confirmed - never heard Liz call herself (or anyone call her) anything but "Liz". On another matter, does anyone know if Ted Hughes the poet should be on the list of astrologers? It's news to me if he was an astrologer, but I'll be happy to stand corrected if so. Otherwise his name should go.
Thirdly, I tried to add Raphael's name, but it automatically linked to the artist's page, and I'm too new at Wiki to know how to set up a disambiguation page yet. MayoPaul5 23:00 UTC 13 April 2006. It's ok, I've done it MayoPaul5 13:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
There is nothing in the Ted Hughes article about him being an astrologer. I'll remove it. Stubble 08:22, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
We need more (ancient or modern) INDIAN ASTROLOGERS on this page/list -- does anyone here know of any? -- 205.188.116.7 03:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Well Braha does both Vedic and western astrology, although most of his business now is for Vedic, I'd think. This is also true of Ronnie Dreyer and was true of the late Richard Houck. But Braha is an American who found Hinduism here and traveled to India, where he learned Jyotish. He wrote the first western book on the subject (by a westerner, anyway) called "Ancient Hindu Astrology for the Modern Western Astrologer." It's still one of the best. Dreyer also traveled to India to learn astrology. In those days, that was pretty much the only option you had. As for the the ancient Greek, Roman and Middle Eastern astrologers, I've been adding articles for those Wiki didn't have over the past few months, and so have others. I've done articles for Paulus Alexandrinus, Olympiodorus (the Younger), Antiochus of Athens, Rhetorius, Vettius Valens, Hephaistio of Thebese and Dorotheus of Sidon. Their names are on the list, as are Julius Firmicus Maternus, Ptolemy, and Marcus Manilius, which other editors did. I'll get around to some of the Arabs and Persians eventually, but it is my intention first to do an article on Guido Bonatti, the important medieval astrologer. I don't know a single Asian astrologer. There are a few Western books, but most are superficial and commercial. Why don't you investigate? --N.Harris NaySay 1/26/06 14:23 (UTC)
Pt. Suryanarayan Vyas was one of most acomplished Indian astrologers in 20th century but unfortunately scanty information on his contributions is available in media and world wide web but a thorough search in library and archives could churn up substantial information. A few years ago, the Government of India also released a comemorative stamp in his memory as a freedom fighter, writer and astrologer of note. He was also founder of Vikram University in Ujjain.
There have been many other astrologers of repute in India including Chandrashekhar Samant, a well-known astrologer and astronomer of 19th century Orissa. His name find mentions by some westerners when some French astronomers on a visit to India compared their astronomical tables with the ones developed by him and had to make corrections in their tables. MazeOfThoughts ( talk) 10:29, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
There have been some inclusions without much reason in this list of astrologers including those of Chandramauli Upadhyay and Harilal Upadhyay. The former lacks even in basic notability, let alone in field of astrology and the latter is recipient of an award related to astrology but there is nothing about his contributions or writings in field of astrology, if any. Such inclusions should be properly reviewed to decide whether they deserve to be added to list of astrologers or not. MazeOfThoughts ( talk) 10:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Instead of astrologer redirecting to this article, is there any reason why "astrologer" isn't its own article much like astronomer is? Sam 00:19, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.96.78.139 ( talk) 05:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
It would be nice to be included in the Astrologers' list; I am quite well known in the UK, USA and Europe, and elsewhere, as I have been researching, teaching, lecturing, counselling, broadcasting and writing as an astrologer since 1972, and have been an active member of the Astrological Association of Great Britain for even longer. My website has been going strong for over a year now - www.theholytwelve.co.uk. Is going onto the list something I do myself? Or is it down to someone else in the Wikipedia community? I'm new to this, and would appreciate friendly guidance. Rev Pam Crane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.57.237 ( talk) 12:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
Dr.Suneel Sharma Sitaula (astrologer Dr.S.Suneel) an astrologer, Palmist, Vastu Shastri Numerologist and Alternative healer is the proud recipient of several prestigious, astrological awards and has been crowned with profuse titles including the JyotishVidyaShri in India. He has been studying and testing all the astrological techniques since 1995. Dr.Suneel Sharma Sitaula has been publishing the Astrological Magazine since 2002. He is also the first Nepali astrologer who has started the live television astrological programme 'Janma Kundali' on Image Channel. Dr.Suneel Sharma Sitaula has a radio programme 'Shubha Mangal' on Image News FM 103.6 that goes on air every Saturday to Tuesday from 10.45 to 11.30 in the morning. He runs other two programees 'Vastu' a Vastu Shastra programme on Image FM 97.9 every Thursday from 4 to 5 in the afternoon and ' Janma Kundali' Horoscope Reading every Friday from 4 to 5 in the afternoon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrologernepal ( talk • contribs) 09:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)