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The figures on the ridership-per-capita list are incorrect for Canadian cities. Metropolitan area populations listed for Canadian cities (Montréal, Toronto, and Vancouver) are inconsistent with Statistics Canada CMA population estimates of approximately 3.7 million, 5.6 million, and 2.3 million respectively for 2010. The ridership per capita figures seem to be more-or-less in accord with the official CMA population estimates, however. Thom.boivin ( talk) 14:28, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I think that the Calgary LRT should be on the list in this article. The qualification in the first sentence says: "heavy rail rapid transit systems". But most of those systems on the list are really just LRTs; they may claim to be 'heavy rail' but if you actually check them out (just go to their websites), they're really the same LRT systems that Calgary has.
And, I've ridden on some of them; they're the same as Calgary's.
So if you're including the systems from, say, 12-20 on the list, you should include Calgary's.
At 259,600 daily ridership, that puts Calgary's system at around #12 on the list, ahead of Atlanta. Perhaps higher, since 259,600 is a 2009 number, and Calgary's ridership in 2010 was undoubtedly higher (2010 seems to be the benchmark year for the list).
Edmonton is another rail transit system I would put on the list and it definitely qualifies, since much of it is underground. At 95,000 daily riders, it would be at #15, ahead of Miami.
But Calgary for sure.
Thank you.
Atikokan (
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The way this table is set up is... odd, and substantially different from other such Wiki pages (e.g. List of metro systems, List of tram and light rail transit systems, even the ridership table on the Light rail in North America page).
The biggest issue here is use of the 'flagicon' templates in with the System (column), rather than use of the 'flag' templates of each nation in the Country column's cells.
In fact, it would probably be better if this table and its columns were re-ordered in the order: Rank, City, Country, System, Weekday Ridership, Route Mile, and Riders Per Mile (more like the other Wiki columns listed above...). Or, alternatively, the column order could be more similar to the current order: Rank, System, Country (with possibly the use of just 'flagicon' templates, rather than 'flag' templates), City, Weekday Ridership, Route Mile, and Riders Per Mile.
The references should then be put into the cells of the above columns, and these odd little "reference columns" should be eliminated. Doing this would then allow for the "Route Mile" to be converted to "Route Length" allowing for both miles and kilometers (using the 'convert' template) to be listed in that column. Cutting those odd "reference columns" may also allow enough extra room for an Annual Ridership column to be added just before the Weekday Ridership column.
Does anyone strenuously object to these kinds of changes to this table's format?... -- IJBall ( talk) 02:11, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
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The Panama ridership numbers appear to be inconsistent.
Dividing the first number by the second only gives 7,860.
Most likely, my hunch is that the first number above may be wrong. The line was quite crowded each time I rode the metro. We would need to check the stats.
Also note: There is quite a bit of incorrect data about the Panama Metro's current stats online, since there are quite a few new lines in the planning stages, with many different map versions published. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rianoj ( talk • contribs) 04:13, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
So I found this: https://www.elmetrodepanama.com/demanda-mensual/ on the Panama Metro website Avyk37 ( talk) 19:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
The source for American and Canadian systems is the American Public Transportation Association but they are not a publicly accountable government agency. Though their members are transport agencies the APTA is not. Their motivation is to lobby for more funding so exaggerating data is in their best interests. I am bringing this up because I’ve been looking at some individual agencies own data for 2019 ridership (TTC, WMATA) and it vastly less than APTA figures e.g. Toronto itself reports subway ridership of 231mil while APTA says 474mil, Washington itself reports 185mil while APTA says 237mil. DuckweedJones ( talk) 00:02, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
I’m working on collecting data from each agency to change the numbers all at once to avoid inconsistencies from a gradual change. Will change when done. Unless anyone can explain why the APTA data seems so inconsistent? DuckweedJones ( talk) 00:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
APTA's Q4 2022 figures are apparently out now, if anyone wants to update this article. -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 17:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)