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There is no need for a general character list because we have three game articles that cover the single game characters, and this one can easily handle a few paragraphs describing the recurring characters and the general trends (various party members, explorer stereotype, ect). Please remember that this isn't a vote, so only reasons involving the addition of non-trivial creation and development information will help your case. TTN 17:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
These are not trivial characters. They are characters needed to guide the plot. Without them, there is no storyline. They ARE the storyline. C. Pineda (クリス) 04:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
There's no infromation about ANY of the other characters! There's only four other mentioned characters, Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser! There's more than FOUR important characters! C. Pineda (クリス) 05:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
The main four characters and the two or so recurring characters (Kammy, Merlon, others?) will be summarized here, and the general trends can also be described afterwards. The rest of the characters belong in their respective games. No consensus is not binding at all; it can go either way afterwards. TTN 15:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
I support having a separate characters article. Merging imposes a needless restriction on the content. Everyking 04:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
TTN, I think you're alone on this. This article is backed up by many editors, several wiki friends of mine (notably User:Malcolm, a gentlemen who tried to delete this article but failed and then helped make it better) and also the WikiProject Nintendo. In one day, I'm going to revert it, and, if necessary, protect it, so you don't tamper with it anymore. Just give up, you've stated your case, and no one agrees with it. C. Pineda (クリス) 03:09, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
TTN, Don't throw policy around, because you ignored it once before. Merging an article without discussion is against policy, but you did it anyway. I chose the higher route and made a discussion about it. Check Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Nintendo#Paper_Mario_Characters and you will see that the project, specifically aimed at this, is supporting of our case, not yours. I chose the higher route, and made a discussion, as I said before, and people have voiced their opinions, whether it be 3 people or a million people the point is, more than one person agrees to something, compared to the one person who feels they have more of a right than anyone else. not long from now, it's unmerged, and you need to leave it alone. Or else I will have an admin knock on your dorr faster than you can even receive this message. Discussion, is over. C. Pineda (クリス) 00:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh? Gamespot not enough? well then...how about this website? " http://www.rpgclassics.com/shrines/n64/papermario/characternpc.shtml" See, I found this a long time ago, and I was going to put it in the article, but lo and behold it was gone, but I still have it. Hm....lets see....AH! All NPC characters in the first game! Wow, I'm so happy I found this. Also, just because someone's an anon, doesn't give anyone the right to put them down for it. This member has over 2500 edits, and is constantly encouraged to get an account, but doesn't (to the extent of my knowledge). Probably because that person doesn't want to deal with certain, unpleasant members of this website. Also, a 4:1 should be considered majority vote, as it is a 4:1 decision. C. Pineda (クリス) 00:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually, if you look at the bottom of the page, it shows a Copyright Symbol, meaning that it is published. And, no it's not a fan site. A fan site does not give details of all materials in said game. I know this because I am subscribed to tons of fan sites for Nintendo. Please check all your facts before making claims. C. Pineda (クリス) 01:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
That's merely a guideline, it's not policy. it's not set in stone, and can be flexible. C. Pineda (クリス) 03:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
TTN, you are wrong to keep redirecting the page with consensus. Perhaps this article will remain whole or perhaps it will be split up and put into the pages for the individual games. Regardless, you are wrong to keep editing the page to redirect to a simple list of main characters that have no descriptions, pictures, or anything else. You are completely disregarding all of the information that has been compiled on this article. Most of all you are disregarding the rules of discussion and collaboration that Wikipedia is built upon, by acting by your own will and against the will of many other editors. - Zomic13 08:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I propose a formal survey for future discussion purposes, in the advent another discussion to merge would rise, and to clarify opinions at this point. 66.109.248.114 18:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
This article/list looks terrible. I suggest either writing it in the same style as e.g. Characters of Kingdom Hearts or Organization XIII with real world info and reliable sources and a reception section. The Prince 21:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
We should also note that TTN is not arguing for the merging of the articles, TTN is arguing for the deletion of the article. - Zomic13 21:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
A change if format or style does not equate in to the essential deletion of an article. 66.109.248.114 22:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
You can't go against the notability guidelines like you're doing, Zomic13. If you can provide the things I mentioned earlier, the article stays. If not, it gets deleted. It's as simple as that. The Prince 23:05, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not. I want this article to stay and do well, but as I stated below, I think the article needs to be worked on and possibly redone though. That can't happen though while it is locked and it can't be unlocked until there's a guarantee that it won't constantly be reverted back and forth.
Proposal: We agree to unlock it for one week so that those of us who want the article and can be given a chance to fix the issues. If at the end of the week it still does not meet the requirements, we merge it somehow. Sound fair?-
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Holy crap people why do you care? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.243.126.208 ( talk) 07:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
We really need to decide what action to take, as otherwise this edit war will never end. Here are the options:
Please post your top option (and only post your option with a small comment as to why). Keep other discussion to the conversation above. - Zomic13 22:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
4 - It is noteworthy (and long enough) to warrant its own article - but it needs to be redone. Merging it would make the other article too long and deleting it (as has been done) is unwarranted. - Zomic13 22:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
4 - The icon nature of Mario warrants that major video games and series featuring the character are noteworthy. The length of the current subarticle is too long to be incorporated fully, but deletion some of this valuable information of these characters is not requeired. 66.109.248.114 23:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
4 - I guess it could have more sources. But I really don't know what else it could use. (P.S. Forgive my absence. I'm rather busy these days, and don't have time to edit Wikipedia everyday. Darn robots take up all my time. ) C. Pineda (クリス) 03:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
2 - this either needs to be refer3enced and heavily rewritten in the next few weeks, or it will go back to AFD and it will almost certainly get deleted. Neil ☎ 09:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
4 - The article is prominent enough to stay, but some information is just not needed. Some of the information is also too confusing, hence the reason for a rewrite. Amazeedayzee ( talk) 23:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I believe that the article includes most of the Mario role-playing games. Although, it is missing a section for "Puzzle & Dragon: Super Mario Bros. Edition". FallenWallet ( talk) 23:42, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
I heard somewhere that the series will be coming to the DS as New Paper Mario. Can someone verify this? 76.126.29.36 ( talk) 00:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia itself references it here. 71.182.145.40 ( talk) 04:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
We now have a 3DS Paper Mario, but it doesn't seem to be very detailed in the article. Im wondering, should someone add that partners are returning in this one? since there was this pic I saw with a Chain-Chomp behind Mario, kinda looking like the series original style. HELLSRIDER ( talk) 02:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Who is Doopliss? He/she was mentioned in a character quiz, and whenever I try looking him/her up, it redirects me here. However, there's no mention of any Doopliss on this page. -- DanMat6288 ( talk) 15:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I move that this article be split into two articles covering the each respective series. Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi. IAmTheCoinMan ( talk) 06:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mario role-playing games's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "IGN review":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 19:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
What is this supposed game, and why was an article created for it solely to be a redirect for this article? 75.43.41.165 ( talk) 18:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Technically, I think it's both a Paper Mario game and a Mario & Luigi game. I don't know the Wikipedia standard for this situation, though, but it somehow seems wrong to only have it in the Mario & Luigi section. ( MMStinks was here. You can come yell at me for this if you'd like) 03:42, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
I heard that there was a page created for the upcoming Paper Mario game for Wii U. But unfortunately, when I researched it, the page redirected to the List of Mario & Luigi role-playing games page. Can anyone tell me if the page will be back up? Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 18:07, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
Could we issue a page protection against numerous actions by anonymous users and use it for registered users and admins? Is this possible? Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 18:59, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I want to clarify that the Puzzle & Dragons games is apart of the Puzzle and Dragons article and series of their own, not the Mario role-playing games. Sure, it is a Puzzle and role-playing style with Mario characters thrown in, but should not be included in the article as it is listed in it's own Puzzle and Dragons article itself. Zacharyalejandro ( talk) 01:19, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
If we get one more Paper Mario game, can it have its own article? Ramesty ( talk) 15:17, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of Paper Mario series characters. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. ミラ P 21:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Untitled Paper Mario game for Switch. It is the sixth game in the Paper Mario series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.194.143.128 ( talk) 17:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Promised to look over this; starting now, and am for the sake of clarity specifying that I am basing it on this revision.
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The Mario franchise has inspired a variety of Mario role-playing video games to be released on multiple Nintendo video game consoles. All the games feature Mario as the protagonist, who is often accompanied by one or more playable characters, including existing Mario characters and original characters introduced in each game.lots of "Mario" here. In particular
ofcan be struck. Would also mention that the main Mario series are platformer video games, for those unfamiliar.Mariorole-playing video games
including existing Mario characters and original characters introduced in each game.- I know what you mean, but they are all existing Mario characters; Prince Peasley is no less of an "existing Mario character" than Bowser is.
The first game to introduce role-playing elements into the Mario franchise was Super Mario RPG, developed by Square and released in 1996 for the Super Nintendo Entertainment System.- this is rather long. Would rephrase as "The first role-playing game in the series was Super Mario RPG (1996), developed by Square for the Super NES." or something similar (feel free to use my wording if you want)
Considered to be its thematic and spiritual sequels, two successive role-playing-themed Mario series, the Paper Mario series and the Mario & Luigi series, followed conventions established in the original.- also rather long, and I do not know what you mean by "successive".
Considered to be its thematic and spiritual sequelscan be struck, as essentially the same thing is also communicated with "followed conventions established in the original". Would also change "followed conventions..." to present tense, as at least the Paper Mario series is still ongoing.
role-playing-themed Mario series- you don't need "Mario" here, and they're not role-playing-themed, they're just straight up role-playing games. You can change this entire construction to "role-playing game series".
The Paper Mario series is developed by Intelligent Systems and published by Nintendo, the first game being Paper Mario and was released for the Nintendo 64. The original Paper Mario games in series were role-playing games, including Paper Mario for the Nintendo 64 and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door for the Nintendo Gamecube. Newer installments in the franchise, including Sticker Star, Color Splash, and The Origami King, are action-adventure games with RPG elements.- also a bit wordy. You mention that the first game was for the N64 twice for some reason, and you specify that PM and PM:TTYD are RPGs even though this is the base assumption given the scope of the list.
The series receives"has received"
being praised for its paper-like graphics,"its paper-inspired aesthetic"
but receives mixed"has received". Additionally, "receive reception" is at best slightly silly-sounding.
the constant change of the overall format- "changes to the gameplay between games"
improper use of gimmicks.- this is really vague, and I'm unsure of the word "improper". It is already communicated that the gimmicks are criticized, so I think you can just strike "improper".
The Mario and Luigi series- "The Mario & Luigi series"
Each of the games follow the role-playing game genre.Already communicated by how this is a list of RPGs
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga and Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story were re-released on the Nintendo 3DS, the latter of which the final game released by AlphaDream before declaring bankruptcy and closing in 2019.- another quite long sentence. Considering you don't mention every individual M&L game in the lead, I don't know if the 3DS port of MLSS is important enough to warrant mentioning... this is also the first time BIS is mentioned, which is not reflected in the phrasing. I would re-write this whole sentence as something like "The Nintendo 3DS release of Bowser's Inside Story was AlphaDream's final game before declaring bankruptcy in 2019."
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Paper Mario series
Originally called Super Mario RPG 2- you mean "Originally planned to be called".
Released a soundtrack in 2000 and was distributed by Famitsudoes not mean what you want it to - it currently reads as if "The game, on its own, published a soundtrack, and the game itself was published by Famitsu"
Originally titled Mario Story 2 in Japan- so was it originally called Paper Mario RPG or Mario Story 2? You're currently claiming both, and I assume one of the two was a planned-but-unused title
First Paper Mario game to have Kensuke Tanabe as the lead producer, continuing to be the lead producer to date- "Paper Mario lead producer" is not a continuous position one holds between games. Change to ", who has produced all Paper Mario games since"
Bestselling Paper Mario game in the series- "Highest selling Paper Mario game". Also, you use a 2016 source for this, meaning it does not take Origami King into account - is SPM still the highest selling?
The first game in the series to remove partners alongside Mario; this trend was later continued in the next game- long and kinda confusing. This game does not remove partners per se - each game is developed on its own, and so this game in particular did never have partners in the first place. Re: "was later continued in the next game", the word "later" is unnecessary as it is impossible to continue it "earlier".
The first game in the series to start the trend of differentiating gameplay from other games in the series, later continued into other games in the franchisethis is simultaneously long and super vague, and as someone who has only played the first two Paper Mario games I have no idea what it means.
First Paper Mario game in High Definition- not a proper noun, so should not be capitalized
The game was leaked in early 2020- vague. Were all the game files leaked? If it's just the game's existence, I question if this is important enough to note - that type of leak happens all the time.
Shigeru Miyamoto was barely involved in the game's development- this is the first time you mention Miyamoto; someone not familiar with Mario will not even know who he is.
Features collectible spirits in Super Smash Bros. Ultimatethis will be completely unintelligible for readers not familiar with Smash Bros, and you've got it written backwards anyway - it's Smash that features the spirits, not Origami King. tbh, I question if this is particularly relevant for this list.
Mario & Luigi series
Mario and Luigi both voiced by Charles Martinet- is this not the case with every Mario game since Super Mario 64? Is this important, especially considering the main dialogue is completely unvoiced?
The game received critical acclaim- this is wild to me. Partners in Time, like the rest of the series, for sure saw positive reviews, but its Metacritic score is lower than MLSS's and BIS', which actually are in the "universal acclaim" bracket.
The game is the highest rated Mario RPG video game, receiving critical acclaim- it has the exact same MC score as Superstar Saga.
Included with a Mario and Luigi themed Nintendo 3DS XL- Mario & Luigi
Remakes
This took a bit, so gonna take a break here - I will look at the references later.-- Alexandra IDV 20:31, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Panini!: I notice you didn't add the ref I mentioned on the PR for the European release of the BIS 3DS remake yet - might wanna do that before FLC reviews come in.-- Alexandra IDV 05:55, 31 January 2021 (UTC) ...Also, I noticed you forgot to add the FLC to the WP:FLC main page - FLC regulars won't see it until that is done.-- Alexandra IDV 06:02, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
Mario & Luigi series hasn't been for a long time. When they expanded the Mario & Luigi articles, they need to split this article. Longplay Watcher ( talk) 13:50, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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