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Pansy = effeminate, non-aggressive, but not necessarily homosexual male. Cocksucker = hmmm, having trouble keeping a straight face … so, I had (a looong time ago) a girlfriend who actually loved giving head — and she was good at it. She called herself a "World Class Cocksucker." I'm pretty sure she wasn't a gay male. Go figure.
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The article in current state is a list of slurs, not slang. I would like it moved to
List of LGBT Slurs so that this article space is free for me to create a
List of LGBT slang.
As the lede and article are currently clear, "The following is a list of LGBT slurs" - not slang.
The article cannot be expanded to incorporate both as it is currently formatted and written. Please post up some responses before i start the process of a requested move. Thanks ツ Jenova20(
email)12:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
I think you should look at turning this into the list of slang with a section devoted to slurs and point out how sometimes they overlap.
Insomesia (
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13:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
I think slurs is more accurate than slang for most of these terms, although there is a gray area of overlap. I support Jenova20's plan of creating a
List of LGBT slang article (sans slurs), keeping in mind that there is already an
LGBT slang article. I also support copying the slur and slang terms to Wiktionary. -
MrX15:02, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
After reading your responses does anyone have an issue with me instead merging the two (slurs and slang) into the same List of LGBT slang article? Thanks ツ Jenova20(
email)15:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Sort of, but reverse it. What I had in mind was taking the few, clearly slang terms out of this article (
List of LGBT slang), for example terms such as 'Queen', and moving them to the existing article,
LGBT slang. Then rename/move this article to
Listggf LGBT Slurs (your original proposal). Many of these terms are equally as offensive as terms like porch monkey, WOP or kike, and clearly don't belong on a list of slang terms. -
MrX15:58, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
But, because there is overlap i just planned to move the slurs into their article and add more to the slang. Terms like queen are used by both gays and homophobes, while words such as chink, wop, negro and faggot are used exclusively by racists and homophobes. Thanks ツ Jenova20(
email)17:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Faggot, is a good example of why one article may work better. It's a common slur yet usage - such as Dan Savage's long running syndicated column uses "Hey Faggot" purposely to reclaim the word. I think this is common with many (Most? All?) of these slurs.
Insomesia (
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20:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
I considered that as well and it's a valid point. It largely depends on who uses the terms, and how they are interpreted. In my mind, something that starts as a slur and is later reclaimed by members of the LGBT community, is still a slur for purposes of an encyclopedia article. A good example would be nigger/nigga/niggah: it would never occur to me to consider these slang terms, but I suppose there are people who would consider them slang. -
MrX20:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Here's an easier alternative then: merge the lot and then we can remove anything, which is only a slur and not reclaimed or slang. It'll be easier when we can see the result. Thanks ツ Jenova20(
email)09:13, 19 February 2013 (UTC)reply
I'd counter that generally I don't think any should be removed but simply sectioned as commonly seen as slurs. I'd be willing to bet you can find someone who has reclaimed every one of those in some way.
Insomesia (
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13:00, 19 February 2013 (UTC)reply
Potentially anything is offensive to someone or something, that should go without saying. Doesn't "Slang" also convey that the word or phrase may be controversial and/or offensive? Thanks ツ Jenova20(
email)09:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)reply
Doesn't "Slang" also convey that the word or phrase may be controversial and/or offensive?
No, I don't think it does. For example,
quid is British English slang for
pound, but it isn't a controversial or offensive term for a pound. Unless you mean, because we're already discussing LGBT matters, and such matters are often dealt with in an offhand or wilfully ignorant manner. But that's rather assuming that all LGBT treatment in common usage will be abusive, which isn't necessarily so.
I think you're missing the point. Some of these terms are widely if not universally accepted as offensive slurs. "Slang" is too broad of a term; the slurs need to be labeled.
I think the separation of slurs from neutral slang can get complicated. For example,
dyke is used as a pejorative, but some lesbians also use it in a positive or neutral fashion. (On the other hand, I'm sure there's plenty of slurs/pejoratives that aren't reappropriated by the LGBT community.) Maybe we should somehow distinguish between terms that are primarily used against LGBT people, pejoratives that have been reappropriated by the LGBT community, and terms that are primarily used by/were invented by LGBT people (e.g., egg, kiki, cishet, baby butch). Different sections, expanded definitions, etc? -
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16:03, 14 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Encyclopaedic Value of This Page?
Someone above said:
"I would rather have this article deleted.
"It serves no encyclopedic value and is acting more as a VIZ dictionary for offensive terms."
I have to agree that this is a poor article. It is very far from comprehensive, little attempt is made to group slang terms regionally, many explanations of derivation are questionable or absent, etc. etc. --
Ef80 (
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19:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)reply
While this page could be better defined, a list defining slurs of different minority groups is appropriate do to the historic changes in cultural identities. There is a difference between defining pejorative terms and terms which may only be seen as offensive, this page is relevant for this reason.
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Obviously, this page needs a HUGE trim-down. So many of these terms are derogatory and out-of-date. I propose that it is revised and incorporated into the LGBT Slang (
/info/en/?search=LGBT_slang) page. The LGBT Slang page offers a better format for defining slang terms and also has a small section on the history of LGBT slang.
Smnananm (
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15:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Honestly, I think it would be better if this article was remade to something like
List of LGBT slurs which currently redirects here, the slang list on that other page is much better and this could be used for something useful instead.
★Trekker (
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05:29, 11 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Blegh, yes, the current name poorly distinguishes this article (which according to its lead is intended to be "a list of slang and/or insulting terms for LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) people", emphasis added) from
LGBT slang's list of terms used by LGBT people, and from
List of LGBT-related slurs (which is ambiguous about whether it's intended to cover only slurs for LGBT-related people, or also things used by LGBT-related people). This confusion seems to have led to the addition just now of 'TERF', which however seems out-of-scope for this article (I see it was also added to
List of LGBT-related slurs, highlighting how poorly distinguished these articles are).
-sche (
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21:20, 19 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Support merge of this article into
LGBT slang, or delete of this article. It duplicates other articles, it's poorly formatted, its purview is unclear, its value is questionable. Also, a large number of terms cite "Green 2005", with no source by that name, and with broken links.
A145GI15I95 (
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17:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)reply
DO NOT MERGE - EDIT THIS PAGE! SO many of the terms on this list of slang terms re horribly offensive, and could actually be classified as hate speech. Therefore, by merging this already hugely flawed list with the page defining what lgbt slang is (saying that LGBT people use LGBT slang), you are inciting that the words in this list are words accepted by the queer community. This list of LGBT slang trms should not exist - there is no need to have record (especially if it is without contextualisation about how offensive these terms are) of these bullying words. I hope myself and others can edit the page so it contains up to date colloquial language and slang, such as "top" "bottom" "kiki" etc. — Preceding
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13:40, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Don't merge or alternatively, Delete If the reason for it to be merged is that this list is poorly made/sourced, then.... don't merge. I agree with
A145GI15I95 that this page's goal is unclear and it duplicates other article's goals. Outside of deletion, either:
A.) This page should be edited and trimmed down (and made to clearly be about "LGBT slang" used by LGBT people), with information updated and slurs clearly denoted by starting the description with "a slur against..."
B.) The page should be a partial merge and only sourced, currently accurate, or up-to-date information should be merged
Either way, I think the first step is editing/trimming down/updating the inaccuracies in this article. If it's not accurate information, don't move it to somewhere else on Wikipedia. -
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Trap
The word trap in the transgender section is incorrect. The word is used to refer to men who like to trick others into thinking they are women. The LGBT slurs page claims it to be a transphobic slur, yet here it states it is used by trans people to trick cis people. I'm confused.
I must also mention that I have noticed that this word has been up for debate over the past few years.
--- As a trans woman, I agree that the Trap noted in this list is incorrect, Trap is used occasionally in an offensive fashion towords Transpeople in general, however in this article it makes it seem like the term is excluisvely used towords trans women and trans men, when thats not the actual meaning of the slang. Trap, and reverse trap, refer to crossdressers who pass so well that men/women get "trapped". you can see how this can be offensive when used towords transpeople however the term actually refers to crossdressers and is used within the crossdressing community all the time. I believe the article should be edited to note this nuance rather than let it give the idea that the word trap is *only* a transphobic slur when in reality it only *sometimes* is. I do not feel it is a good idea to give off a misconception on the meanings of terms and to make people believe that words cannot have a different meaning that is unrelated to transpeople.
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20:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)reply
Removed the term "Trap" do to it not being used in the General community & being stated on the List of LGBT-related slurs page as OFFENSIVE!
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Thedued (
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09:57, 18 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Why are other pages that list slurs (ethinic slurs, etc.) actually called "slurs" but those used against LGBT people are minimalized and called merely "slang"? The page should be called "LGBT Slurs" or similar, as opposed to "slang terms."
Inhighspeed (
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10:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I would support changing the article name if all entries were slurs, however multiple entries appear to be slag terms which are not slurs.
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Comment Self-published sources are usually not reliable. I'd advice to see if the desired content is available in other websites. --
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18:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Maybe (
Summoned by bot)} It's self-published, but appears to curated by an academic (Ted Duckworth on slang@manchester.ac.uk is the contact) at Manchester Univ, so it is not wholly dismissable - especially given that this is a fairly marginal and problematic area of study anyway (what would be the threshold for inclusion of any slang term anywhere?). The entries on the whole seemed very 'mainstream' (especially as it is for all UK slang, and only incidentally LGBT terms) - so the likelihood is that in most instances a better source would exist.
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Removed terms from article
Look up todger dodger in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
I am moving unsourced terms here so that we can locate
WP:RS for them.
"Sure, you may hear about some random 'dyke tyke' or 'lesbro' (two terms that, unlike fag hag, are hardly part of the popular slang vocabulary and actually required me to do some intensive googling), but their existence is clearly minimal."[1]
"The term fag hag is normally used in gay male culture to describe a straight woman who associates with gay men."[2]
"noun Slang: Usually Disparaging and Offensive. a heterosexual woman who seeks out or particularly enjoys the company of gay men."[3]
Breeder
"Slang: Sometimes Offensive. a term used by gay people to refer to a heterosexual person."[4]
I have doubts about the appropriate use of dictionary.com to source a few entries as has recently been done. I would note that on the bottom of the page to these entries, there is a disclaimer: NOTE This is not meant to be a formal definition of enby like most terms we define on Dictionary.com, but is rather an informal word summary that hopefully touches upon the key aspects of the meaning and usage of enby that will help our users expand their word mastery. and I would suggest that dictionary.com is actually disclaiming these terms as outside of their canonical lexicon, and would
not be suitable for inclusion here.
Elizium23 (
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01:10, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
The word enby is obviously not in use by most people because it's a word for nonbinary, which most people don't know about. But the word is very common / well known in nonbinary spaces. So, it's not included within Dictionary.com's main canon because it's slang used by a small minority. But this Wikipedia article is directly focusing on LGBT slang, so I think it makes sense to include here. Most of the words on this list are not used by the majority, but they are known within their specific community.
Linguist97 (
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01:57, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
This article as I understand it is a list of words referring to LGBT people, therefore it should not include cisgender heterosexual people. I think that either the article should be reformatted to specify "words used by the LGBT community" or the cisgender section should be removed. — Preceding
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Linguist97 (
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01:59, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I think this article
LGBT slang is better for "slang used by the LGBT community," and I think most of the cisgender words could be moved here. I dunno, this page is a mess, haha. Maybe this whole page should be merged into
LGBT slang.
HuffPo
Huffington Post Contributors are not reliable, per
WP:RSP. The source cited was indeed by a Contributor and has remained online since their discontinuation of the featured content.
Elizium23 (
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02:13, 12 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Well, the I'll source for that particular content from the huffpost article is genderqueerid.com . is that a "reliable source? AFAICT, that was the only term in the HuffPost article that used such source. Some of the terms (but not all) in said article seem almost facetious. so, I'm not sure one way or the other. I think another source ought to be sought, but I don't think outright deletion should be done either. i also make note that general reliability guidelines on specific sources are likely not as applicable for a page like this.
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23:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Oppose - after looking at
LGBT slang, the content doesnt appear to me to be "completely duplicated" at all. It MAY perhaps be that most (or all, I don't really know) of the terms here are ALSO there; however, this page is strictly a list of terms applied to people, while that list appears to be just a hodge podge collection of all LGBT-related slang generally (and some that isn't LGBT-related at all, e.g., about a dozen or so entries having to do with asexuality. To categorise asexuality as LGBT would be like categorising Bosnians as "Asians", even though they're European Slavs, just because they are primarily Muslims). Anyway, that list is HUGE, and this list containing only what it does contain, with those items not being buried amongst all that other stuff is useful. that overlap exists where some of the information is duplicated is not problematic. Trying to merge all overlapped content into enormous articles just to eliminate any and all duplicate content would not improve the encyclopaedia...
Firejuggler86 (
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21:52, 13 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Support mergeList of LGBT slang terms and
LGBT slang are similar concepts. Both articles are list articles. Combine relevant content. Delete every claim and list item which is not backed with a citation to a source. If there is content here outside the scope of LGBT, as Firejuggler says, then that content can go somewhere else.
Blue Rasberry (talk)12:38, 14 June 2021 (UTC)reply
I support merging these 2 pages, at least until the list of terms is long enough to justify a content fork. During the merge process, please make sure no slang terms are lost in the process. Thanks! ---
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Bears: gay men, Bull: gay men, Chicken/hawk: gay men, otter: gay men, silver fox: gay men, wolf: gay men. Unicorn: I put that in the bisexual section. Puppy and pig: hypothetically anyone but we all know it's for gay men. A separate article is not beneficial.
Of course, your complaint that they're not specific to gay men is irrelevant because they're all still slang that belongs in a list of slang. It's easy enough to reorganize to list those that can apply to others in other sections.
Reywas92Talk16:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)reply
This has gotten to be even more absurd
WP:SYNTH. If these have nothing to do with the slang, maybe this shouldn't be an article. There is no encyclopedic basis to say a mythological creature seen with rainbows and glitter has anything to do with calling a bodybuilder a bull, or that those have anything to do with animated animals in media that are gay. Please draftify until you have something that's a legitimate unified topic. (Still, there's no reason the slang terms shouldn't be at the list of slang terms.)
Reywas92Talk15:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Except the fact that that discussion was about merging two pages about LGBTQ slang terms while the
Animals in LGBT culture page is about MORE than just about slang. You can't compare apples and oranges. For instance, I wouldn't say "
Bear culture" is slang, but its become a name used to describe a part of gay culture. So, the consensus you say does NOT exist from the current discussion. I would give Another Believer and others time to expand the page before jumping the gun on this topic. I can already think of some ways to expand that page with mentions of popular culture, as in
the Simpsons episode
Much Apu About Nothing they reference
Queer Nation and bears as
noted by Queer Theories. Also noted
here, even mentioned in
the National Review of all places. That's just from a quick search and I'd guess there is more. The Bear culture page I listed above already has a "References in popular culture and art" section, so some of those examples could be moved into Animals in LGBT culture page.
Historyday01 (
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17:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Thanks. I'm not sure why they are claiming a non-existent consensus and
threatening today that they could nominate the "Animals in LGBT culture" page for deletion, saying, in part "...I will absolutely AFD if you want this page to synthesize a slang glossary and interest in animals often seen with rainbows." Yikes.
Historyday01 (
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17:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Jesus Christ, I said there is a consensus at
Talk:List_of_LGBT_slang_terms#Merge_discussion to merge
List of LGBT slang terms and
LGBT slang, which I have now completed. I never said there is a consensus yet to merge
Animals in LGBT culture, how can you be so dense after I provided the links to both that merge discussion and that target article and you could see my edits completing the merge of these two articles I said I was "working on"? Did you really think I was saying a consensus existed to merge a new article from an older discussion? Yikes... "Bear" is absolutely a slang term, which is why it's appropriately listed at
LGBT slang, and is one which also has an associated culture. But that's utterly irrelevant to unicorns and Arthur and furries. Historyday01, you seem to have missed that at the time I created this,
the article ONLY had slang and was devoid of those topics, which were only added when threatened with merging. Obviously I do not think those topics belong in the slang article.
Reywas92Talk20:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not "dense," its just that you weren't as clear as you could have been. I still think the Animals in LGBT culture section can and should be its own article. It can and should be expanded going forward. I don't think the threat to merge it was necessary. As I said before, I think you jumped the gun on this, and I'd say it makes sense that it has its own page. It is better to discuss these things without threat of merging or deletion. I know the latter because another LGBTQ article (
List of feature films with LGBT characters if you are interested) I was working on got threatened with deletion and people floated all sorts of ideas on how to improve it. But after the AfD had ended, not one of those people, including those who favored deletion, contributed to improve the page, showing that the whole AfD was a total waste of time. I don't want that type of thing to happen with this article.
Historyday01 (
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02:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose merge. The Animals in LGBT culture article is more than just slang, and is being expanded as we "speak". Look at the subsections: as the article currently stands, there are subsections not having to do with slang that include Animal roleplay and furry fandom; fictional LGBT animals; and Unicorns. This article was also just created yesterday - I don't see the rush to merge it when it's obviously undergoing a major expansion. --
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15:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)reply