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This page lacks alot of information... Not all Air Navigation Schools are listed and what about the Operational Training Units?
I'm guessing that the North Battleford Service Flying Training School (#32 in the list) was actually the
North Battleford/Hamlin Airport and not
North Battleford (Cameron McIntosh) Airport. Looking at the satellite images, the former has the "runway triangle" while the latter does not. Can someone verify this?
Both of these airfields have a triangle shape, but the "Cameron McIntosh" field has been modified (like
many surviving BCATP airfields were, St. Thomas, Centralia, Brantford, Hamilton, e.g.). My primary authority
for the locations of the airfields given in this article is the Air Navigation chart for the area. I do not have the chart circa WWII for North Battleford, so I decided to accept the existing Wikipedia articles for these two airfields as an authority. My interpretation of the satellite images is that Hamlin was the primary relief field (R1) for North Battleford (Cameron McIntosh). The folks at the Commonwealth Air Training Plan Museum in Brandon probably have documentation circa WWII about the location of this airfield. Sorry for the long delay in responding
SteveTheAirman (
talk)
23:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)reply
There are a number of coordinates in the article, and in a hasty check I haven't noticed that any are wildly incorrect. Could you please clarify exactly what coordinates you think are erroneous and what the error is?
Deor (
talk)
00:56, 29 August 2013 (UTC)reply
The list of relief landing fields is not complete. Does someone know of a more complete list that we can use as a source? For e.g., Kingston had a field at Sandhurst and Vulcan had relief fields at Champion and Ensign. These aren't listed.
BCtalk to me19:17, 7 September 2013 (UTC)reply
I have a more complete list c.1942 for western and northern Canada. The reference is the RCAF Pilots Handbook of Aerodromes and Seaplane Bases, Vol 2. I have been working to update most of the actual articles on the primary air bases with this information. Unfortunately the reference doesn't list the Primary Station that the Aerodromes were attached to.
Mech1949 (
talk)
16:52, 13 June 2018 (UTC)reply
RAF stations
RAF stations (e.g. Kingston, Moose Jaw, Greenwood, De Winton, etc.) were technically not part of the BCATP until 1942. Until then they were just RAF training stations that happened to be located in Canada. It's a bit confusing since many of these stations trained RCAF personnel (e.g Kingston) for the BCATP and RAF trainees were often trained by RCAF contractors (e.g De Winton). Hatch, pg 68 mentions that these transferred schools were, however, subject to RCAF administrative and operational control. So, the RCAF had some say in how the RAF stations were operated. Hatch goes on to say that for all practical purposes they formed an extension of the BCATP but were not officially incorporated as part of the Plan until July 1942. Perhaps we should mention the status of these RAF stations and explain why they are listed as BCATP facilities (because they really weren't Plan facilities until '42).
BCtalk to me00:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Hi Brian. This is Steve at U of G. Do you mean a further explanation is required beyond that in Section 1, "Planning and operation of facilities", and Note 2 in the "Notes" section?
SteveTheAirman (
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21:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Yes, I think a further explanation is needed for the actual article text based on the info I stated above. Probably in the Planning section. It does mention "an expansion as a result of the Ottawa conference of May and June 1942", but I think we need to explain that the RAF stations became officially incorporated into the Plan in July 1942. When I have time, I can hammer this together. We don't want to give the illusion that the RAF stations were always officially part of the BCATP (implied by the listings of the RAF schools in the article).
BCtalk to me20:28, 6 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Cleaning up the lists
I have done a few things on this page and I believe that we need to do more.
I have removed all the flag emblems that were located on some of the EFTS and SFTS facilities, they were making things very hard to read.
I think it might be worthwhile to reorganize the lists (especially of the SFTS and EFTS and relief fields) into a table rather than a list.
Do we really need the coordinates added to the sites, I believe we are trying to put too much information per line. This information could easily be added to the associated articles.
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abcd"Map: Toronto-Ottawa, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 9 March 1943.
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abcdefghAnon (2009). "Abandoned Aerodromes". Canada Flight Supplement Effective 0901Z 12 March 2009 to 0901Z 7 May 2009. Ottawa: Nav Canada. p. A35.
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abcde"Map: Toronto-Windsor, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 21 January 1944.
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abcdef"Map: Banff-Bassano, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 24 March 1944.
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abc"Map: Indian Head-Brandon, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 20 October 1944.
^"Map: Brandon-Winnipeg, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 30 March 1944.
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ab"Map: Neepawa-Gypsumville, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 11 October 1944.
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abcd"Map: Ottawa-Montreal, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, September 1942.
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ab"Map: Indian Head - Brandon, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, April 1942.
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ab"Map: Medicine Hat-Maple Creek, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, January 1942.
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^"Map: Parent-Three Rivers, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 23 February 1944.
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abcd"Map: Broadview-Dauphin, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 9 January 1945.
^Staff writer (c. 1942). Pilots Handbook of Aerodromes and Seaplane Bases Vol. 2. Royal Canadian Air Force. p. 16.
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ab"Map: Campbellton-Moncton, Air Navigation Edition."Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, June 1942.
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^"Map: Campbellton-Moncton, Air Navigation Edition." Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, 24 February 1944.
^"Map: Cranbrook-Lethbridge, Air Navigation Edition." Hydrographic and Map Service: Canada Department of Mines and Resources, Surveys and Engineering Branch, July 1941.