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It appears that Hill-Wood's claim is valid. That Arsenal is the first English club to do so is not in dispute (see Arsenal's own account here:
[2]). From this page
[3] it appears that Real Madrid have lost to a Scottish team only twice: once in the 1982/83 CWC final, played in
Göteborg; the other a 0:2 loss to
Celtic in the Champions' Cup Quarterfinal 1979/80, which was played at Celtic's home
[4]. I haven't bothered to check Real Madrid's head-to-head with Wales, Irish or Northern Irish teams for the obvious reason. --
Pkchan14:43, 23 February 2006 (UTC)reply
I can't find anywhere online that says Sunderland's goal is the fastest ever for Arsenal, though I do definitely recall reading it in a trivia list in a book somewhere. What I am sure of is that Sunderland did score after just 13 seconds in the semi-final second replay against Liverpool; it's recounted both
here and
here. While it may not actually be the fastest ever goal in Arsenal's history, it is definitely faster than Gilberto's.
The 6-0 defeat to West Ham is recorded as an official result in The Official Illustrated History of Arsenal (2005 edition,
ISBN0600613445), on p.126. It is also listed in Arsenal's cup record at the
Football Club History Database and in the results for that season at
RSSSF. It is possible the result is not included because the aggregate score was 6-1; uniquely, FA Cup matches were contested over two legs in 1945-46 (to compensate for the
Football League not resuming play until the following season). Arsenal lost the first leg away 6-0, and won the second leg at home 1-0. Although wartime football cup results are not counted as official, the 1945-46 FA Cup definitely is - the FA list it on their
list of winners.
Qwghlm19:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)reply
...is not a national record. Chelsea have been unbeaten at home in the Premiership since 21st February 2004, when they lost to Arsenal, which is 45 matches. This can easily be verified at
SoccerbaseSteveO18:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)reply
The official FIFA site credits Arsenal as being the most strongly represented club at the 2006 Finals (with 15 - see fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/w/stats/top10.html.) A look down the list of representation at previous finals failed to identify any club who had sent more than this to any previous Finals... but would need verification from elsewhere. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
81.156.12.13 (
talk •
contribs) 03:30, January 9, 2007.
I had a quick look on the likes of RSSSF and PlanetWorldCup and couldn't find any stats for other World Cups, so for the moment I'll leave it be. I might research the topic further in due course, though.
Qwghlm14:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Squads for other World Cups (with club affiliations) are listed by Wikipedia, on pages which can be accessed through the relevant tournament main pages... it does take some work to go through it all though.
After further checking, the Seoul Army Club had 16 players at the 1954 World Cup Finals... but only 14 of them played in either of South Korea's two matches, so it seems likely that Arsenal (with Walcott being the only player not to make an appearance) and Seoul Army Club — ahead of Chelsea (whose 2006 fourteen included the non-playing Wayne Bridge) — share the record for the most players actually playing in a Finals tournament. (Unless I've overlooked some other club with representation in multiple national squads: Real Madrid? Barcelona? Milan? Juve? Inter?)
The total minutes and number of matches played by Arsenal's 14 (which did not count Tomas Rosicky, who had been announced as an Arsenal player before the tournament started) far exceed the Army Club's totals... but almost certainly fall short of Chelsea's (which did not include Ballack or Shevchenko who were announced as Chelsea signings during the tournament - or Maniche, who had been on loan from Dynamo Moscow until the end of the English season.)
The former was designated a home match, while the other was at a neutral venue - I have made this a little clearer in the article text now. I am not sure what the highest attendance for a Cup Final match involving Arsenal is, to be honest (it could well be one of the ones in the 1930s) - that would take a bit of research.
Qwghlm08:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Right, according to
[5] the attendances for the 1950, 1952, 1971, 1978, 1979 and 1980 Cup Finals were all 100,000, which tops the '69 League Cup Final figure, but as they're not precise I don't think they're very reliable.
Qwghlm09:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I see it is the same figure on
[6] so why should the link that you have mentioned be classed as unreliable?
Do you think it may of had something to do with 100,000 being a maximum crowd for Wembley at that time?
RBEVAN20:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I am aware that along with winning two titles at White Hart Lane and another two at Old Trafford, Arsenal won consecutive titles at Stamford bridge against Chelsea in 1934 and 1935.
Merson stats
Hi. I was wondering how many games Merson played for Arsenal. You mention 423 games in "top scorers" and 425 in "most appearances". If you add the numbers in "most apperances", it seems that 425 is simply miscalculated (should be 423 as well). On the other hand, 425 is mentioned in the
Paul Merson article itself and . Can anybody help me? Kind regards --
Vince200414:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Not sure friednly matches should count here? Friendlies aren't mentioned in any other records - why should this be an exception? Surely best keep records to competitive games only —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Shakehandsman (
talk •
contribs) 01:42, November 3, 2007
Fair enough - according to
[7] the lowest for a first-team competitive game was 56,761 against Blackburn. Any objections to me putting it in?
Qwghlm11:22, 3 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Joe Baker goals
Can anybody explain why Joe Baker is listed as scoring 3 'C Shield' goals when the club didn't qualify for the Charity Shield during his years with the club? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.158.56.51 (
talk) 02:33, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
(Presumably, European goals??) Incidentally, he's listed as having scored 101 goals for the club on his page. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.158.56.51 (
talk)
02:40, 2 December 2007 (UTC)reply
My mistake - he scored those three goals in Europe not the Charity Shield. Now fixed. As for his goals, my copy of Arsenal Who's Who (
ISBN1-8999429-03 Parameter error in {{
ISBN}}: checksum-4) says he scored 93 League, 4 FA Cup and 3 Fairs Cup goals, which makes 100 in total, as does this page on
Gunnermania, so the 101 figure is incorrect & has also been fixed. Thanks for spotting these!
Qwghlm14:53, 2 December 2007 (UTC)reply
The honours section is clogged with so many irrelevant trophies. When the article was promoted to the FL status, only the official competitive honours were listed, and not like it is now. In the last 10+ years, every friendly pre-season match is marked as some kind of "cup", that doesn't mean it needs to be listed here. Florida Cup, FAW Toyota Cup, Audi Football Summit Shanghai, New York Cup, Saitama City Cup, Hong Kong Jockey Club Charities Trust Challenge Cup, Malaysia Cup, Markus Liebherr Memorial Cup, Herbert Chapman Memorial Trophy etc. etc., none of those have articles, none of those one-off matches a.k.a "cups" have any relevance, this needs to be heavily trimmed.
Snowflake91 (
talk)
21:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree and I've thought of removing this earlier as it clearly bloats the article with irrelevant information. I've copied all that I'm deleting into the talk page under the collapse option below.
Idiosincrático (
talk)
03:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Friendly titles
The following titles are from friendly competitions and
exhibition games, where match statistics such as player appearances and goals are not considered in overall figures.
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^Kungler, Peter (12 February 2003).
"England 1942/43". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation (RSSSF).
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^Kungler, Peter (15 February 2003).
"England 1939/40". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation (RSSSF).
Archived from the original on 5 March 2016. Retrieved 20 March 2016.
^Morrison, Neil; Courtney, Barrie (2 February 2005).
"1990 matches". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation (RSSSF).
Archived from the original on 3 March 2016. Retrieved 31 March 2016.
^"Caltex Cup 1991". Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation (RSSSF). 30 June 1999.
Archived from the original on 4 March 2016. Retrieved 31 March 2016.
^Attwood, Tony (2 November 2010).
"From Woolwich Arsenal to The Arsenal". The History of Arsenal (AISA Arsenal History Society).
Archived from the original on 11 April 2016. Retrieved 31 March 2016.
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