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All of the content in these can be (and already is) contained in the destination with much less total text. In fact the destination is barely any longer than the longest sub-page; yet the destination has all the years of the sub-page. This has already been done with the
20th- and
21st-century lists of religious leaders. There are three important reasons to do this.
1. This page can be better maintained with less work. Since religious leaders typically change infrequently (less often than political leaders) it is very difficult to maintain each sub-page, and they are not maintained. (At best) when a leader dies the death date is put in a succeeding leader is added. Editors should go back and change the 10 or 20 year pages since the leader came to office from "Pope Joe, Bishop of Klingon (1995–present)" to "1995–2013", but no one ever does this.
2. More content can be maintained with more completeness and with less or the same amount of work. Even in this last 12 year period (it is typically worse for 20th-century religious leaders) the list get longer over time as more religions and sub-groups are added from year to year. Again, no one wants to go back and add leaders for every year since the groups started. Groups are added to the current year and that is it. I personal might have done all the back creation that have ever been done for these 13 pages.
I think I'd support this as this is a very early era, so specifying by year might not be as exact or necessary, and the articles are small. I mean this is before
Islam or the
Second Council of Nicaea, which I think is the last council agreed on by the
Eastern Orthodox Church and
Catholic Church. Also it's maybe not the best time for recorded records of some religions. That said
List of state leaders in 455 exists and isn't merged to anything, but I might be willing to give less significance to that in this case.
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Pseudo-hatnotes
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Tahc: you reverted
[1] my deletion of "pseudo-hatnotes" at this article, and at other articles in this series up to
List of 5th-century religious leaders. My edit comment was "Remove inappropriate hatnote"; yours was "Rvt -- Please seek
WP:CON before making controversial edits". The text I removed was:
;[[List of 4th-century religious leaders]] - [[List of 6th-century religious leaders]] - [[Lists of religious leaders by century]]
I don't regard the removal of badly-formatted preamble as contentious. The editing guideline for hatnotes is
Wikipedia:Hatnote. A hatnote should be formatted properly using an appropriate template, and its purpose is "to help readers locate a different article if the one they are at is not the one they're looking for." In this case the hatnote does not use a hatnote template – it incorrectly uses markup for a description list (
MOS:DEFLIST) to use inappropriate bold formatting. Even if an appropriate hatnote template was used, it would still be inappropriate because the page title is unambiguous (
WP:NAMB). Furthermore, on this page only (not the others in the series) there is a redlink.
I do think that these pages, and pages like them, should have at the top a way to link to the the preceding and succeeding pages, such as
this page or
this other page, and many others do.
Better, but I'd still think that a template based on {{Navbox}}, at the foot of each list, would be preferable: then you have just the one template which you can add to all the relevant articles, it can include red links if appropriate, etc. Someone well versed in templates could put it together very quickly ... sadly it would take me quite a bit longer.
PamD17:32, 6 April 2021 (UTC)reply