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Lima is a city of eight million, and every major city deserves to have an article that doesn't need further explanation of its name, even if there are other places that share the same name. Examples of this are: Saint Petersburg, London and York. The significance of the other places listed in the disambiguation page is much smaller than that of Lima, Peru. -- Tuomas 22:46, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)
-- Netoholic @ 18:54, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)
Several users have been replacing and removing the linked word Demographics in the box [1]. What purpose does it serve? -- Viajero 15:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
A nickname is a short, informal name, like the hub (Boston) or the big apple (NY). "La ciudad de los reyes" does not fall into this category. It may be a motto, depending on whether it is used officially, although mottos usually have an exhortive character. -- Viajero 16:05, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have liven in Lima for many years and in fact was born and raised there and it is very obvious that the term "The City of Kings" is widely accepted as the city's nickname. User:jose61493 22:21, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Look, we are spending far too much time and energy on insignificant details. There are many topics on Peru which urgently need work; there is lots to do. It is wonderful that there are Peruvians like you now contributing to these pages. However, you must keep in mind that this is a collaborative effort and that we all contribute different things. If you are unable to accept native speakers of English correcting your texts, then you won't last very long here. I have reverted your most recent changes; let's move onto other matters now please. -- Viajero 10:19, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[ [2]] used on Catholic Encyclopedia. Finally i have not changed the article of name on San Marcos to Saint Mark, i used piped link, which wikipedia recommends. Please User:Viajero dont destroy my contributions. HappyApple 03:21, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
HappyApple:
A Google search on the phrase "National University of Saint Mark" [3] reveals nine hits, all of them Wikipedia texts. IOW, they are all yours. A Google search on the phrase "National University of San Marcos" [ [4] returns nearly 1,000. A single article in the Catholic encyclopedia does not support this Anglicized usage. In English, this institution is most commonly known as the "National University of San Marcos" and that is how we should refer to it, in accordance with Wikipedia:Naming conventions, which states:
If you still doubt me, place an inquiry about this on the Village Pump and you will see that every other editor on Wikipedia will suport me on this. If you continue to impose your own naming conventions in Wikipedia, you are in violation of our communal decision-making process and you may be sanctioned. -- Viajero 16:18, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Viajero:
The issue about the historical name accuracy of Saint Mark instead San Marcos was already discussed with another wikipedian
User:StarbucksFreak and we got a consensus, we agreed to use Saint Mark instead San Marcos, as we are on english wikipedia, and the official name of the university has not been altered in any way.
[ [5]].
Finally i would please ask to your conscience, be reasonable, i dont have the interest to modify the article name to National University of San Marcos to move to National University of Saint Mark, i am using a piped link as wikipedia recomends, i am following all the rules. HappyApple 02:49, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Clarifying information:
It is important to note that these are conventions, not rules written in stone....and there may be cases where a particular convention is "obviously" inappropriate.
I have only ever (in English) seen the name given as "National University of San Marcos" or (my personal pref.) "San Marcos National University". What has happened is that with 5 centuries of history in there, the San Marcos flag has been disassociated from the evangelist to become an inextricable part of the university's name. That's how the names of universities work in translation: take at look at the es:Universidad de Cambridge article on w:es -- for example, "Michaelhouse ... se unió a King's Hall para crear Trinity". Putting a line in the intro saying that it's named after St Mark is a great idea, but the name of the university in English is San Marcos. –Hajor 17:39, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. By the way, let us change the name of the "National University of San Marcos" article to "San Marcos National University" - how do you do that without creating broken links? Is there a better way than just redirecting? Hasdrubal 18:56, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Following changes made on Lima city article.
I hope usefull contributions like from User:StarbucksFreak can improve this article a little bit, keep going. HappyApple 03:12, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
See my current edit. I would agree, myself, that only the Catolica is at the same level as a general institution, but specialized schools such as the UNI, Cayetano Heredia and perhaps the Agraria are very good at what they do. Hasdrubal 18:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Infobox: I'm not that familiar with infoboxes on city pages but I was trying to fix the page so that everything fit. [8], so that Removal of picture:The pic I removed was excess. I couldn't get all of the pics to fit in the history section and then after checking other city articles I realized most don't even have one pic. So I simply linked the page to the article itself which contains the pic. I kept the other pics because they ended fitting. Also, I felt the others were of more importance than the one I removed. Falphin 17:19, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The only complaint I still have is that the Table of Contents is not on the Left side. A bit of a nitpick but I believe it should be kept in mind when the article is finished expanding. Falphin 22:07, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, feel free to remove these comments and/or reformat them, am not familiar with wikipedia at all. While looking at the Districts_of_Lima article, I noticed that some information is obviously wrong. Namely, the Chaclacayo district is a problem. if you look at the spanish & english versions for Chaclacayo, you will see that the map mentions that district at a different location within Lima. I remember seeing a map on the net that shows it at the location of the spanish map. But I really don't know.
It is important to be noted that the Tren Urbano does not only serve the purpose of linking the financial districts but also has seven more lines planned that will run around the whole city. Also important is the reason of the system not being subterranean because of strong seismic activity and important touristical and cultural locations being underground such as the Catacombs and St. Francis' Monestary.
The following text inserted by anon. It shows a clear POV and may be factually incorrect. If it can be verified and wikified please readd this information. savidan (talk) (e@) 01:26, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Lima has brilliant sunshine from December to May, when humidity goes up to 70 percent. The year-round temperature is characterized by a spring-like mildness. From June to November the weather becomes cloudy and humidity reaches 90 percent. The sun, however, is always shining in Chosica - 15 miles to the east and 2600 feet above sea level.
Fall: Temperature approx. 15C. Begins in May. Winter: Temperature approx. 13C. Begins in June. Spring: Temperature approx. 17C. Begins in late September. Summer: Temperature approx. 24C. Begins in December.
Lima is the largest city in the Western Hemisphere, and the second largest in the world after Cairo, that is located in a desert.
The population figure for Lima seems inflated. Is there a primary reference (i.e. direct link to a census office page) for the current figure? Also, it is unclear as to exactly what definition of Lima is being referred to here. The article seems to be about Lima province but only 30 out of the 43 districts? How is that different from the Lima province article? I will try and look for the primary sources and change the figures later unless someone does it first. Polaron 01:04, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Lima the city/capital is inside Lima Province. Merging them would be the equivolent of merging New York City into the New York State article.-- Jersey Devil 03:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
IMO merging would not help the reader, but rather confuse some. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 07:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
The reason the government doesn't have such stats is because Lima is not formally a city, but a conurbation of thirty districts. That's why when I created the Lima Province article I clearly stated that the 13 other districts do NOT belong to Lima. The Lima Province, thus, is definately not the same thing as the city. No Lima resident would ever tell you that a resident of Santa María del Mar lives in what is coloquially known as the city of Lima. Therefore I do not support the merger. -- StarbucksFreak 00:17, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I modified the Lima article to reflect the fact that the city is defined as the central 30 districts only and not the entire province. I also changed the population and area stats as appropriate. I also removed the merge tag as it seems clear that most people do not want to merge. Polaron 19:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, I deleted Jaime Bayly from the section Notable people born in Lima. According to the dictionary notable means:
From all the other people mentioned under the Writers subsection, Jaime Bayly doesn't fulfill the requirements stated above to be regarded as notable. He has only writen a couple of books, and had some TV-programs. -- Carlosp420 03:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
And who are you to judge whether he qualifies as "interesting" or not? I think the fact that he has his own TV program shows that at least some people consider him to be "interesting". -- StarbucksFreak 00:11, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
why is there a gigantic picture that takes up the whole frame in the middle of the page???
It doesn't give any clue about why that information is relevant to the article, and why it must be immediately after the History subtitle. Please Ermeyers provide a consistent piece of information, and sustain why it must be in the place you chose. -- Ausum 01:16, August 29th 2006 (GMT-5)
There is in fact a definite limit to the city which is the Municipalidad Metropolitana de Lima (Metropolitan Municipality of Lima) This is the official limit however most residents only include 30 of the 43 districts actually part of the city of Lima. Vivaperucarajo 04:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Lima/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Missing a culture section, sights are just a list, economy almost non-existent, otherwise OK? |
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Is it OK if I remove the section on the Japanese embassy hostage crisis? That should serve to shorten it a little. Any objections? -- Rcgy 20:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I disagree... It doesn't add significant length and enhances the content of the article. Optionally, it could be merged into a future "history" section? Suntzu3500 05:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
as done with "Paris" to "Paris, France", lets move "Lima" to "Lima, Peru". -- Walt e r Humala - Emperor of West Wikipedia wanna Talk? 04:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The request is based on the principal that the common denominator, per the new category UTC-5 demonstrates that cities generally have the state or province name. Take for example Ottawa which should redirect to Ottawa, Ontario and not vis-versa. This will help when categorizing cities. -- CyclePat 00:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC) p.s.: I couldn't help but notice that this request has already been done. Should it be moved to Lima, Lima?
I've been editing this for many months, and I can't notice order nor manual of style here. So I started to order sections as in the Los Angeles, California article. That won't be easy, many subtopics are missing so please give me a hand. Thanks. -- Walt e r Humala Godsave him! (wanna Talk?) 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I don't think that picture of a slum is good for Lima; of course, there are slums in every big city around the world, but instead of uploading those pictures, some others should be published, the historical center, the beaches, the museums, the churches of Lima. There's no doubt someone with a false sense of reality and a very low self-esteem is managing these pictures, just a comment dude... peace!
hi, I've found these pictures (from commons) of shanty towns in Lima, i don't know wheter it would be fine to add.-- Andersmusician 02:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
-- Andersmusician 02:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
While clearly such pictures would add rich context to an understanding of the situation in Lima, I have an objection to including photos of shanty towns. For the period of I think a couple of days, the article on Lima was filled with photos that highlighted the modern parts of the city (I don't know whose they were), but they were removed. If you look at the article on Los Angeles (another city I have called home), there are only images of L.A.s grandeur, one is left to read (not see) and even then just partially, about problems like Skid Row, graffitti on every major freeway, run down neighborhoods in Compton, Inglewood, South Central, East L.A. etc. etc. Why is it that in the name of "objectivity" it is always Latin American, African, and Asian cities whose impoverished sectors must be shown, but hardly ever those of North American or European cities?
There are a great many people who use wikipedia to "visit" places they don't know about, and I guarantee you that the old adage is true, a picture truly is worth a thousand words. So we are inviting people to confirm biases that there is nothing, or hardly anything, of value in Latin American cities if we populate the article withe excessive images of urban decay and poverty. This is just anecdotal, so I am not saying the whole world works like this, but I have run into many people who think Lima is all shanty towns, and people who think that Lima lacks a financial center (i.e. it is solely an historical city, full of colonial architecture). Let's not allow them to see "evidence" that this is "true" in this article. Just a thought. Rafajs77 ( talk) 20:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
If someone search for Lima, they want to see how it is right now. Probably a little of history and some tourism information. -- Chalaco01 ( talk) 17:43, June 29 2008 (UTC)
There are a few recent pictures on www.peraleswaterproject.org that represent the not so modern areas of Lima. If someone wants to incorporate them, I believe I could get the necessary permission. FYI, Perales is a suburb of Lima. Hjg001 ( talk) 20:26, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
BUENO CREO DE QUIEN ESTE AL ALCANCE DE PODER AGRANDAR Y EXPANDIR ESTE ARTICULO ASI MISMO COLOCARLE MAS FOTOS QUE LO HAGA PORFAVOR YA QUE OTROS ARTICULOS DE OTRAS CAPITALES TIENE MAS INFORMACION=! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.42.64.58 ( talk • contribs).
Hi, I've noticed there's no history section where I was plannig to add some historical maps. I'll try to make an effort on starting it -- Andersmusician $ 02:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I've uploaded u new version of a climate chart for Lima as a vector graphics image. Data is from climate-charts will this one be an improvement on the current one with the german text? AgainErick 23:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Record high °F (°C) | 72 (22) |
78 (26) |
86 (30) |
96 (36) |
99 (37) |
101 (38) |
106 (41) |
104 (40) |
102 (39) |
94 (34) |
84 (29) |
75 (24) |
106 (41) |
Mean maximum °F (°C) | 60.4 (15.8) |
60.7 (15.9) |
70.3 (21.3) |
82.9 (28.3) |
88.5 (31.4) |
92.1 (33.4) |
95.7 (35.4) |
93.4 (34.1) |
89.0 (31.7) |
79.7 (26.5) |
70.7 (21.5) |
62.9 (17.2) |
97.0 (36.1) |
Mean daily maximum °F (°C) | 39.5 (4.2) |
42.2 (5.7) |
49.9 (9.9) |
61.8 (16.6) |
71.4 (21.9) |
79.7 (26.5) |
84.9 (29.4) |
83.3 (28.5) |
76.2 (24.6) |
64.5 (18.1) |
54.0 (12.2) |
44.3 (6.8) |
62.6 (17.0) |
Daily mean °F (°C) | 33.7 (0.9) |
35.9 (2.2) |
42.8 (6.0) |
53.7 (12.1) |
63.2 (17.3) |
72.0 (22.2) |
77.5 (25.3) |
76.1 (24.5) |
69.2 (20.7) |
57.9 (14.4) |
48.0 (8.9) |
39.1 (3.9) |
55.8 (13.2) |
Mean daily minimum °F (°C) | 27.9 (−2.3) |
29.5 (−1.4) |
35.8 (2.1) |
45.5 (7.5) |
55.0 (12.8) |
64.4 (18.0) |
70.1 (21.2) |
68.9 (20.5) |
62.3 (16.8) |
51.4 (10.8) |
42.0 (5.6) |
33.8 (1.0) |
48.9 (9.4) |
Mean minimum °F (°C) | 9.8 (−12.3) |
12.7 (−10.7) |
19.7 (−6.8) |
32.8 (0.4) |
43.9 (6.6) |
52.7 (11.5) |
61.8 (16.6) |
60.3 (15.7) |
50.2 (10.1) |
38.4 (3.6) |
27.7 (−2.4) |
18.0 (−7.8) |
7.7 (−13.5) |
Record low °F (°C) | −6 (−21) |
−15 (−26) |
3 (−16) |
12 (−11) |
32 (0) |
44 (7) |
52 (11) |
50 (10) |
39 (4) |
28 (−2) |
5 (−15) |
−13 (−25) |
−15 (−26) |
Average precipitation inches (mm) | 3.64 (92) |
3.19 (81) |
4.29 (109) |
4.09 (104) |
3.96 (101) |
4.54 (115) |
4.60 (117) |
4.56 (116) |
4.31 (109) |
4.38 (111) |
3.58 (91) |
4.38 (111) |
49.52 (1,258) |
Average snowfall inches (cm) | 8.8 (22) |
10.1 (26) |
5.0 (13) |
0.4 (1.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.1 (0.25) |
0.5 (1.3) |
4.9 (12) |
29.8 (76) |
Average extreme snow depth inches (cm) | 5.8 (15) |
7.9 (20) |
4.4 (11) |
0.4 (1.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.0 (0.0) |
0.4 (1.0) |
3.7 (9.4) |
12.3 (31) |
Average precipitation days (≥ 0.01 in) | 10.8 | 10.0 | 11.1 | 11.4 | 11.5 | 11.2 | 10.5 | 10.0 | 8.8 | 9.5 | 9.2 | 11.4 | 125.4 |
Average snowy days (≥ 0.1 in) | 3.7 | 3.2 | 2.0 | 0.2 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.0 | 0.2 | 2.1 | 11.4 |
Average relative humidity (%) | 61.5 | 60.2 | 58.5 | 55.3 | 62.7 | 65.2 | 64.2 | 66.0 | 67.8 | 65.6 | 64.6 | 64.1 | 63.0 |
Average dew point °F (°C) | 18.0 (−7.8) |
19.0 (−7.2) |
25.9 (−3.4) |
34.0 (1.1) |
47.3 (8.5) |
57.4 (14.1) |
61.9 (16.6) |
62.1 (16.7) |
55.6 (13.1) |
44.1 (6.7) |
34.0 (1.1) |
24.6 (−4.1) |
40.3 (4.6) |
Mean monthly sunshine hours | 162.7 | 163.1 | 212.5 | 225.6 | 256.6 | 257.3 | 268.2 | 268.2 | 219.3 | 211.2 | 151.0 | 139.0 | 2,534.7 |
Percent possible sunshine | 54 | 55 | 57 | 57 | 57 | 57 | 59 | 63 | 59 | 61 | 51 | 48 | 57 |
Average ultraviolet index | 2 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 6 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 5 |
Source 1: NOAA (relative humidity and sun 1961–1990; dew point 1965–1984) [2] [3] [4] | |||||||||||||
Source 2: Weather Atlas [5]. |
Month | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | Jul | Aug | Sep | Oct | Nov | Dec | Year |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Average sea temperature °F (°C) |
41.7 (5.4) |
39.7 (4.3) |
40.2 (4.5) |
45.1 (7.3) |
52.5 (11.4) |
64.5 (18.1) |
72.1 (22.3) |
74.1 (23.4) |
70.1 (21.2) |
63.0 (17.2) |
54.3 (12.4) |
47.2 (8.4) |
55.4 (13.0) |
Just to let you know Image:1316535-1.jpg has been nominated for deletion at commons.-- Andersmusician VOTE 02:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't think we should have two maps on the infobox. As far as I know every city article has just one map of the city itself and its inmediate surroundings, not of the whole country. What does everybody else thinks? -- Victor12 21:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Another article on Lima Lima Metropolitan Area, should these be merged?-- ErickAgain 00:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't really think it should be there. Most city-articles don't have pictures of their bad areas. I think there was a similar problem with the article on Santiago (Chile) and their slum picture was removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.230.242.19 ( talk • contribs) 03:50, July 21, 2007 (UTC).
Actually, the discussion at Talk:Santiago, Chile#Picture of poor Neighborhood failed to reach any consensus. It seems the pic was removed by an IP acting on his own. As for this article, I think the slums pic is important as it shows a relevant part of Lima and its history. Also, the article deals with slums or pueblos jóvenes in several sections: History, Demographics and Districts. Thus, being an important matter, I fail to see why such a pic should be removed. -- Victor12 18:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Actually, according to recent studies, Lima's poverty % is now 40%+, now above 50 like it was 10 years ago, plus the slums in Lima are nothing like they used to be a few decades ago. Slums like the ones shown in the picture are still common in Lima, but nowhere as common as they used to be 20 years ago. So I think these pictures should be there. But anyway, that's just my opinion. Gustav1993 VOTE —Preceding comment was added at 21:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that we should white wash the fact that Peru is a poor country. That being said, the discription page for the photo that was added mentions that the area that was photographed is currently vastly different than it was at the time the picture was taken, which was over a decade ago. Having a picture of a poor area is fine, but ideally it would be an up-to-date photo. -- Descendall ( talk) 19:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I think the picture should be removed. It's been more than 10 years this picture was taken. The article in demographics clearly explains about the pueblos jovenes, so if people want more information about it, they would find it better in the pueblos jovenes article.-- User:Soydeaqui ( talk) 10 January, 2008
Some users are repeatedly removing the slums picture (thanks Victor12 for reverting). They seem to be new, so we'll assume good faith and ask them to please stop. If you want to get the pic removed and have good arguments for it, please feel free to comment on this talk page so that we can reach consensus. Hugo ( talk) 13:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't know like someone can be so stupid of thinking that Lima is a Slum in great part —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.40.202.128 ( talk) 20:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
HI you all (dutch girl here) It is interesting to follow your discussion here. I want to add one point, my personal opinion as a foreigner who lived in LIma for 1 year. I agree that you need to have seen the city before you can give an opinion. However displaying Lima like it is is the pretty town by talking about only the colonial down town or Miraflores or Larcomar is wrong. Yes those areas are pretty and many rich tourists go there. But I worked in Jesus-Maria (pretty area), and driving there I went tru some not so pretty areas...and there are many neighbourhoods that are not so pretty. Like in any big city there is violance (just turn on peruvian tv and ever day there are (bad journalistic) reports about crashed, deaths, misery etc etc). An article (like journalism) should be representing the (objective some times inconveniant) truth and portaying Lima as a pretty city with districts like Miraflores and San Isidro and forgetting about Villa El Salvador or Cristibal is not the right picture. Sorry but that is the truth. Yes there has been improvement in the pueblos jovenes, but there should be more! How many poor people are living there (or worse on the streets) in Lima? And if in other city they dont show those picture does that make this article wrong or the other ones? These areas also determine the city view, its demography, its politics and they should be represented. But I do agree, you need to see it first and get your own impresion before you can write about it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.52.91 ( talk) 11:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Why is this article tagged with "This article documents a current event". Lima is not a current event. They had an earthquake tonight, one of hundreds in the country's history, but only one other is mentioned in this article. Why is tonight's so significant? Because it is the fist major one since Wikipedia was invented? Why is there no mention of the 1974 earthquake, which was worse than this one? Why do you feel the need to be the first to update this page with this breaking news? Does it make you feel important? And why on Earth would anyone include the canceled tsunami warning in this article? This isn't CNN - in a month, no one will remember the canceled tsunami warning, yet you feel it needs to be in the Lima article as part of Lima's history? You people who feel it so necessary to update Wikipedia articles as soon as you can with breaking news stories do a great disservice to these articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gr8deadfan75 ( talk • contribs) 04:28, August 15, 2007 (UTC).
Is it really necessary to have a picture of the Marriott Hotel on this page? It seems more like an advertisement to me. I don't think the Marriott Hotel holds much significance to Miraflores or Lima in general other than being the target of bombings a few years back. The Larco Museum in Pueblo Libre is a unique place in Lima. The museum itself sits atop a pre-Columbian pyramid and is housed in an 18th century colonial. The museum also hosts the largest private collection of pre-columbian art in the world. I find this much more significant than and American hotel chain. Any thoughts? Here's the picture I'm thinking of posting---> Lyndsayruell 21:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
the information posted for lima, peru is wrong someone needs to fixed because i'am from peru so I know lots of stuff please they need to fixed it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.211.120 ( talk) 22:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
THEY NEED TO FIX THE ARTILCE EVERYTHING IS WRONG I'M FROM PERU SO I KNOW THEY DON'T CALL MY COUNTRY THE CITY OF KINGS AND THE MOTTO IS NOT THE THE MOTTO FOR PERU IS SOMOS LIBRES SEREMOS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.211.120 ( talk) 22:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
The information on this entry is mediocre and biased, the result of the perennial problem of Peru: its own people backstabbing, attacking and tripping each other because of jelousy. It is ridiculous that Peruvians cannot even agree on something so trivial as a Wikipedia entry. Retrograde Peruvian mentality is 50 years behind with the rest of its neighbors, and 100 years behind with the developed world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.224.96.70 ( talk) 18:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be worth to insert an external link reference to the website 3dlatinamerica.com. There are a lot of excellent images of Lima in 3 Dimensions.
Regards.
Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.218.157.212 ( talk) 19:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I want to propose people to find a more suitable pic for the Main Infobox, since the one currently there blurry and buildings are very dark, guess pic was shot at at relatively bad moment of the day. Do you you think we still need a skysline, or an image of important spots?-- Andersmusician VOTE 20:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I find none of the proposed pictures suitable...and given only these options would prefer the blurry photo of the dark buildings. Someone must have a skyline shot somewhere! I am especially opposed to the shot of the Cerro San Cristobal. Previously I ranted :) that it seems like a double standard to me that to be "objective" slums must be shown in pages of Latin American cities, but there is no such concern regarding European or North American cities. El Cerro San Cristobal is not representative of Lima in any meaningful way. Perhaps the Plaza San Martin shot, but it would be a second choice to any skyline shot...just my opinion. Rafajs77 ( talk) 00:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Several arguments have been made about displaying all aspects of Lima, including shanty towns. I have been critical of this, and I know that there is merely 1 picture of slums in the outskirts of Lima...so not a big deal in the grand scheme, but I went exploring.
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NOT ONE photo of a slum...NOT ONE. My point of contention is simple, people already know that Latin America is a developing region, many, I'm sure, would look up Lima EXPECTING to find photos of misery...what would be informative would be to show them that this is not always the case, or not even mostly the case. Any thoughts? Rafajs77 ( talk) 09:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Where's the slum picture?
Victor you talk a lot of sense, this isn't a travel guide. Someone mentioned Paris and London...seriously, these cities barely have what you'd call 'slums' so it's not surprising there's no pics in the articles. As far as New York or Los Angeles, they have their very own articles on crime which I would think more than evens things up. Power Society ( talk) 00:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Victor. Power Society ( talk) 07:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Hola, como estan todos amigos de wikipedia, soy peruano primeramente y la verdad muy enamorado de esta bella ciudad (donde naci)revisando la version inglesa sobre Lima la verdad que me parece deficiente, como que falta mas informacion, por mi parte trato de expandirla, pero me gustaria que la mejoren, otro asunto que la verdad me indigna es que pongan demasiadas fotos de los asentamientos humanos, segun ellos es una parte representativa de la ciudad, yo creo que toda ciudad tiene sus problemas, pero de ahi a querer resaltar lo malo, la verdad que hasta es denigrante, no se si seran personas antiperuanas(por los comentarios) , Lima tiene lugares tan bonitos comp ara presentar a ver si pueden poner mas fotos en la version inglesa y la tratan de expandir, Muchas Gracias —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.60.255.62 ( talk) 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
It's false that a great part of Lima are full of slums, nowadays Lima has am important medium class, even though slums has been improving now are medium class districts, neighborhoos like North Lima, Los Olivos, Comas Ancon which you say that are fulkl of slums are nice districts, also Lima has a good number of wealthy districts, San Iisdro, Miraflores, Chaclacayo, Cienguilla, San borja, La Molina, and south Lima. is for that reason I PUT A BETTER PICTURE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.60.255.62 ( talk) 13:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
you are a foreigner, not a peruvian, you don´'t know more my country than me, liar!!!!
i would like to put a better pic ok!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.147.153 ( talk) 19:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Because of persistent edit warring by what seems to be one user on multiple IPs I've indefinitely semi-protected the article. Sorry to all the new and unregistered users, if you have any suggestions on how we should change the article please discuss below, however user's shouldn't have to put up with persistent vandalism that has continued over the span of several months.-- Jersey Devil ( talk) 10:20, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
PLEASE CAN YOU DISBLOCKED THE PAGE I WANT TO PUT IMPORTANT INFORMATION AND BETTER PICTURES
Hey, please spare me the comment about travel guides and consider my point substantively. I have been watching this article as it develops and have seen positive changes, negative changes, things I agreed with and things I disagreed with. All these in-between steps are mostly irrelevant to me now.
What I am concerned with is the finished product...wasn't this in the improvement drive? It is such a dull article for a city with over 400 years of history. Specifically:
1) The fact that apparently consensus can't be reached regarding an iconic image to locate in the infobox (it seems to change every month).
2) Not enough photographs are provided to illustrate the text, and some, like the satellite photo and the old map of the city, are just inconsequential to understanding any of the substantive points in the text.
3) There are pictures without any context, like the intersection photo...where is that? what district? what streets? Or the picture of the Tico under transportation? Where are the buses, the freeways?
I don't know...isn't there a way to strike a better balance between being objectively informative and making the information accessible and appealing to the user? Rafajs77 ( talk) 21:45, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Man! I tried inserting a photo then reverted when I noticed it kind of screwed up the page layout only to scroll down and find that the article has been populated (overpopulated) by photos. It is too much I think. For example one image (the Via Expresa) is from Flickr and it is grainy and has poor resolution, and it isn't even necessary because there is another via expresa photo below it.
The map of the "extent of control Lima maintained during the Colonial period" is, well, funny. That control was rather tenuous to say the least.
The FORMER banco de credito headquarters? Why?
The Golf park under society and culture seems odd, as does the skyline of Miraflores under sister cities, and the headquarters of the Andean community of nations should be under a heading of international associations (if it exists, or people want to add one), not under government.
Some of the images are great, thanks to whomever added them, but some seem like they don't belong. Anyone object to them being removed? Or at least moved around? Rafajs77 ( talk) 21:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
These are the images I think should be deleted either because they are of very poor quality, not related to text, redundant, or unnecessary.
Additionally, at the end of the article, the costa verde skyline shot (since it was finally confirmed apparently) should be the skyline shot in the infobox, instead of the night shot. Again, what do people think? Rafajs77 ( talk) 12:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Reasons to keep the images:
1. This picture is a map of Peru during the colonial era. It is pertinant as Lima was in the colonial era for 63% of it's existance. It would be a present-day bias to only display current-day locater maps.
2. This picture not only illustrates what perhaps may be the city's most important landmark but also represents an important focal point throughout the city's history, further exemplified by the fact hat the image was created in 1860.
3. The image of the andean community headquarters is located in a section with images of each branch of government. Other images in this section include the Government palace, the legislative palace, and the justice palace. This photo is meant to represent the supranationalstic branch of government.
4. This image has already been removed.
5. This image is meant to portray the other financial district of Lima located in the cercado as there are already a few images of the San Isidro financial district. It is of vital importance as many coorporate headquarters are located in this area as well as the Bolsa de Valores. I have changed the caption to clarify this intented meaning.
6. This image is an important component of the city's skyline as many of it's buildings are located here.
7. I felt it would be non-POV to portray the stadium of one major team and not the other due to the fact that they are equal in importance to Peruvian society.
8. This picture is mostly illustrating the city's skyline rather than the via expresa.
9. The plaza San Martin is a focal point and a landmark of the city and therefore is illustrated. In regards to its location in the article, there have been images located in the excact same spot for the last eleven months and nothing has been made of it until now. Additionally, there is no strict rule defining the relationship a image must have with its section.
I honestly do not see the reason to delete images. Images are ways to convey ideas that text cannot and without them, or without enough of them, these ideas become absent from the encyclopedia. In relation to formatting, I see no dilema in this article formatting-wise as the text is easily readable and not interfered on by the images. Many other capital city article have comparable or in many cases more images than this article. For some examples see
Buenos Aires,
Bogotá,
Caracas,
Sao Paulo,
Istambul (not capital),
Guangzhou (not capital). After looking over these city articles, if anything I think more images should be added and we should figure out a way to properly format the article in a way that the text and the images complement each other making it easy to read. Deleting images is not a way to acomplish this. As the saying goes a picture is worth a thousand words and by deleting an image you might as well be deleting a thousand words of text from the article. Also, I previously re adjusted image sizes to some requests from some users however I still see this as a mistake. The manual of style are guidlines, not strict unbreakable rules and some city articles such as
Bogotá,
Buenos Aires, and
Istambul have their images sized anywhere from 250-1000px.
Vivaperucarajo ( talk) 03:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
In the right images, it says: Bottom right: Palace of Justice, Bottom left: Plaza San Martin skyline. The picture of the left is the "Palace of Justice" and the right one is "Plaza San Martin skyline".
I am peruvian so i know very well that.
Hackycrema-- Hackycrema ( talk) 20:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
What is the difference between the two? I thought the metropolitan council was the provincial council. Are you sure that the provincial council is not the council of the unconnected region of Lima? -- Criticalthinker ( talk) 05:25, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
The Metropolitan Municipality is the entity which governs the Lima province. It is no diferent than any Provincial Municipality throughout the country except that it receives certain special rights due to it not belonging to any of the county's 25 regions. The provincial council is an actual legislative assemby of council members. consejo municipalidad Vivaperucarajo ( talk) 01:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I think the article is rather long. For instance, the "History" section is longer than its main article! ( History of Lima). The same goes for the "Subdivisions" section. According to Wikipedia:Summary style information in the sections should be a summary of their respective main article. For these reasons I think the article needs to be shortened. -- Aucahuasi ( talk) 05:56, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Actually, I think instead of removing information, we should enlarge the History of Lima main article itself to make it larger than the section on this page. I do not see how the removal of information is ever beneficial to an encyclopedia. The article, being a capital of a country, should be relatively large and many other capital city articles are of similar length. The article is just much longer than it previously was because new sections were added. With the exception of two of the three subdivisions of the history section, none of the sections are particularly long. Additionally all of the sections are relevant to the article and as such should not be removed. Vivaperucarajo ( talk) 00:58, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Just checking, or seeking opinions on this...I know the article has more serious issues. The section on language links to an article (Peruvian Coastal Spanish) that does not have verifiable citations or references. Statements like these seem non-encyclopedic:
"the lack of strong innotations as found in many other regions of the Spanish-speaking world. It is heavily influenced by the Spanish spoken in Castile as throughout the colonial era, the colonial Spanish nobility was based in Lima, of which most originated from Castile. [62] Limean Spanish is also characterized by the lack of voseo, a trait present in the dialects of many other Latin American countries. This is due to that voseo was primarily utilized by the lower socioeconomic classes of Spain" (emphasis mine).
This reads more like a historical account of high society in Lima...at best. At worst, it strikes me as a bit of elitist nationalism. Before someone jumps on my comments, I am originally from Lima. Rafajs77 ( talk) 19:54, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
The demographics section is longer (and thus contains more information) than the main article: Demographics of Lima. This doesn't seem right. Shouldn't it just be a summary of what's in the main article and not contain any information that isn't in the main article? Aidanb ( talk) 21:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Material Error in the demo section the jewish population of Peru is approx 2,200. This in not a "large" number as the author contends. see http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/jewpop.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.64.51 ( talk) 02:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I lived for some time (1 year) in Lima, as far as I remember the Embassy is NOT found in San Borja but in Santiago de Surco (or short Surco), in Montericco (subdistrict of Surco). The same goes for Golf Club (in Surco). (I lived about 300 meter from the Embassy :-) )Link of US Embassy: http://lima.usembassy.gov/contact.html The article mentions la Molina, but there is, in my opinion, not to many interesting things to be found there, while Surco has: Golf Club, Jockey Plaza (A very large, kinda fancy shopping mall), horse tracks (Jockey plaza), American Embassy, and several university (UNiversidad de Lima, UPC). La Molina has the Agricultural State University (UNALM), Moliplaza (a small mall) and is a very nice residential area for middle to upperclass (although of course each middle to upperclass districts has its bad parts as well..). I wouldn't say La Molina is wealthy without including at least Surco. It has a lot of wealthy areas like is golf de inca (close to golf club), Casuarinas, Montericco, El Polo (in front of US embassy) and maybe support it with a citation?
I am not someone that ever contributed to Wiki, dont plan to write pages or something. I just thought this information should be out there, based on my personal experience, so some people can check it out and maybe correct it. They are all suggestions (althought the one of the Embassy is a strong suggestion ;-) )
Cheers,
Dutch girl —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.211.52.91 ( talk) 11:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I absolutely agree with this comment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supermellowman ( talk • contribs) 16:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I requested page protection over the edit warring over removing a picture from this page. This comment is per the admin request who protected the page. Hires an editor ( talk) 12:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Please do not put citations to nonscholarly web sites on articles, as you did on the "pope" article. Leadwind ( talk) 20:46, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
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