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Short description: Chinese former snooker player
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I have a problem with this (in the second paragraph of the "2008 World Championships" section):
Walker introduced him as "Should he stay or should he go... Liang Wenbo", despite the rhyme occurring because of a mispronunciation of his name ("bo" is pronounced "bore" in Chinese).
I don't know how the ending of Mr. Liang's name should be pronounced, and I don't have a Chinese-speaker on hand to consult, but "bore" is not a useful description of anything. This might represent /bO/ (e.g. England) /bo:r/ (e.g. Scotland) or /bOr/ (e.g. USA).
I suggest that everything after the comma be deleted. I think it represents a misunderstanding. /o/ is the same, to an English-speaker's ears, as the vowel in "go". Indeed, for many Scots speakers of English, they are the same.
Why at the end of Wenbo's 2010/11 has someone deleted my point about him no longer being in the top 16? for under the new rules he isn't! —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
157.203.254.3 (
talk) 19:58, 7 November 2010
So rather than just deleting it, why not actually bother to put the source in. The bottom half of the whole of the 2010 season hasn;t got any references either? --
157.203.254.3 (
talk)
03:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
So why were they there in ther first place without references and yet my innocent addition of his up to date ranking, which was later referenced to world snooker, stamped on and deleted? --
157.203.254.3 (
talk)
03:45, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
and at some point so were the other points and why were you able to add all the sources and not the source for my easily well known fact? it appears that in light of the other material on there you chose to single my addition out and delete it and not the other unsourced material. --
157.203.254.3 (
talk)
05:00, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Why when I put a source refference to the World snooker website ranking page was the refference deleted and then a call for a source to be added? --
157.203.254.3 (
talk)
05:04, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Because the source is not stable, and it changes at the next cut-off point after the UK Championship and then it will become a non-relevant source for this fact.
ArmbrustTalkContribs13:21, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
So why is his current ranking listed as 21 - which is worng and also unsourced. THat's thepoint the rankings do no change, you're making a very pedandtic point. For when the ranking changes, it can get changed. --
90.216.169.55 (
talk)
13:32, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Yeah, I know that, we all do, so what? the point is, the 2010/11 section ended by saying he was inside the top 16! which he wasn't, I edited it to say that due to not getting the results in the early part of the season, he dropped out of the top 16. Why delete that factually correct and sourced material to his ranking of 20 to leave a hopelessly out of date statement that he was a top 16 player? It makes no sense to delete it and leave something out of date. --
157.203.254.3 (
talk)
21:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
The point is that sources should contain the information for which they are cited, but if the source changes after a while, then is will not contain this information and will become an unusable source for this fact.
ArmbrustTalkContribs22:02, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Armbrust is wrong and the IPs edit is sound. To the IP: never assume that everyone here is sensible, because they're not. The best thing to do is to read the policies and apply them like a lawyer -- that way, nobody can accuse you of doing wrong. Also, it's best to get an account because IPs are treated like lepers here, no matter how sensible their edits. About your point that some material wasn't sourced: some editors routinely remove new unsourced info even if old info is unsourced. Like I said, not everything here is sensible. Some dislike IPs and just revert them on sight; they can get away with it because IPs are second-class citizens. Also, you shouldn't always trust what anyone says: ask for help from others and read the policies and guidelines. You can go
here to ask questions, or post on my talk page. I also recommend getting an account so that your opinion has more weight.
Christopher Connor (
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22:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Evening
Christopher Connor thank you, I have a username, just didn't bother to sign in. It just makes me laugh that someone would rather delete a simple fact and something easily known and thus leave in it's place something out of date and unsourced. I take on board the point about the source changing as the rankings change, but trying to pin a source down for this is like trying to source a reference for a Premiership football team going outiside the top six mid way through a season - it changes.--
Westhouses18b (
talk)
23:08, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
No policy prohibits a source that might change in the future. To remove a valid reliable source and swap it with a 'cite needed' tag is a misunderstanding of policy or, at worse, disruptive editing. You may have noticed that Armbrust aggressively removes all new unsourced content, no matter how true, uncontentious, and easily verifiable. Now it seems that sourced info is being removed too.
Christopher Connor (
talk)
23:42, 8 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Evening
Christopher Connor (
talk) thank you again for the additional comment. the source I added was directly from the World Snooker website, what more could you ask for. I'm trying to resist "personal attacks" however I find Amburts agressive deletion stance extremly distasteful and against the purpose of wikipedia. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Westhouses18b (
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contribs)
00:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Armburst, perhaps you might like to revise the following? Liang also participates at the Players Tour Championship, his best performace coming at the third European event, where he reached the final, but lost 0-4 against Liang Wenbo.[40 --
157.203.255.1 (
talk)
22:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)reply
he has recently been overtaken in the rankings by Xiao Guodong so this is now out of date source world ranking list on worldsnooker.com
talkQueenAlexandria 14:24, 15 Nov 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks, I think the problem is that we clearly have a relative time statement in the lead section. See
MOS:RELTIME: "currently" is a word to watch because it goes out of date and relies on editors to keep updating it. Equivalent articles for Ding, Yan and Xiao don't have this information, at least not in the lead. So I suggest the solution is to remove the statement, or replace it with something more relevant. According to
Snooker world rankings 2016/2017, he was world number 11 at the end of the 2016/2017 season, and China's number 2 player (after Ding) at that point, so that is more notable. The lead could contain a statement like "he was ranked as China's number 2 player at the end of 2016/2017" (or something similar), or just put it at the end of his 2016/2017 section? Also noticed he has no 2017/2018 section, so that's another problem/omission!
Rodney Baggins (
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08:04, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Recent conviction in lede
Is his recent conviction appropriate for the lede? It makes up a few lines in the article but half the lede.
WP:LEDE does mention "including any prominent controversies" but also add a note: "Do not violate
WP:Neutral point of view by giving undue attention to less important controversies in the lead section."
Nigej (
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15:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)reply
I must say I agree it's not lede material, other than a mention about him being suspended. It's almost saying this person is a convict, and has a snooker career, maybe? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski(
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Just noticed this thread (better late than never). I think
Nigej is correct about too much detail. I edited the lead accordingly, giving one sentence to Liang's four-month suspension for domestic assault and another sentence to his current suspension amid a match-fixing investigation. I don't believe this is "undue attention" given the level of press coverage around these incidents.
HurricaneHiggins (
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13:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)reply
That makes sense. We should mention long scale suspensions in the lede - it is relevant to the person, especially two like this. However, it shouldn't be overplayed. It's not career defining. Lee Vilenski(
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Lee Vilenski Here are my comments, hope they can be addressed! Just a few and I think we're ready to go.
Prose and MoS
Optional. Change mentions of quarter-final/quarter-finals to quarterfinal/quarterfinals and similar words, but both are accepted spellings of the word.
Lead and infobox
Remove the reference in the lead as it's already mentioned in the body. After a second read it's more of a "kinda" mention so you could either let it be or mention it in the body.
Medals are formatted with the golds at the top for each competition. For the "Asian Games" section it would be top to bottom, 2006 Doha Gold, 2010 Guangzhou Gold, 2006 Doha Silver.
Early career
Mention ranking in team event. "At the 2006 Asian Games, Liang won the silver medal in the singles event, losing 2–4 in the final to Ding Junhui, and competed in the Chinese team at the event alongside Ding and Tian Pengfei."
Becoming a top 64-player
No issues. Pass.
First ranking event final
Liang qualified for the 2009 Grand Prix (snooker), make it show 2009 Grand Prix.
English Masters champion and UK Championship finalist
Is thrashed a proper word here? Don't know much about snooker terminology.
Final playing years
Dominic Dale, David Grace, Eden Sharav, and Li Hang, add a comma at the end.
Domestic assault conviction and suspension
Sheffield city centre, capitalize city and centre and wikilink to
Sheffield City Centre.
Match-fixing investigation and permanent ban from snooker
Both images have proper licenses and are relevant to the article.
Refs
Reference 137 uses IMDb which isn't a reliable source per
Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Either change the reference or remove the claim in "Personal life" entirely.
Add the publisher of the sources in sources that don't have them listed. Reference 7, 12 to 18, 40 to 42, 70,
What is reference 70 referencing to? "Liang Wenbo 2012/2013, Snooker.org."
Could also add some dates on reference 39 and 114.
Reference 140 says BBc rather than BBC.
Reference 153, "(Chinese (China) sina." Fix.
Misc
No ongoing edit war, pretty focused and broad information about the topic at hand, neutral :P.