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Divine Order was copied or moved into
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It is not necessarily Original Research: it may simply be unsourced. Have tagged it for {{review}} and {{references}} and will be back to delete it in a few days if the section is still there and the issues haven't been addressed. I don't have any particularly useful resources to do the supporting research myself. I agree that the section is strongly POV also.
BreathingMeat20:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Neutrality is, of course, an enviable goal for a peer-reviewed encyclopedia but I don't think too many people will be editing the articles on Shakespeare or Marlowe for neutrality, one can't expect a wealth of crit-lit sources to back up a relatively new TV show. I'd rather include a surfit of positively biased information compared with a desert of 'officialy sanctioned' critical appraisal. Less is not always more. Comparing articles in the
Encyclopædia Britannica with those on Wiki often shows up the borderline paranoid over-editing that Wiki can engender, EB has many articles written by notables such as Einstein or Churchill that are, compared to thier Wiki counterparts, opinionated and invection filled, these articles are certainly no less authoratative or useful because of this.
46golders23:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)reply
I am wondering if there is any one that can create more character summaries for this show? We basically need summaries from all Movies/Episodes. I can supply the pictures but since I am trying to get all the summaries for the episodes down. It would help if someone could do the character summaries.
--
DivineShadow21802:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)reply
There seems to be a merge template, attempting to merge the episode descriptions back onto the main page. After looking at the Star Trek TNG episode guide, I can see that no expense has been spared in that department. Episode description is a whole page of text - blow by blow. By comparison, Lexx deserves at least a paragraph and a photo per episode. I too can supply photos for each episode, but am worried about the copyright implications.
Bipedia15:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Having a separate article page for the LEXX episodes (or each season?), and ultimately for each episode, isn't a bad idea. However, most of these articles have yet to be created (which would make summarising them easier), so having the eps listed on the main page seems fine for now. As a contributor to the TNG pages, note that most of those articles have been created or are in various states of development ... but even less so for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Voyager, and Star Trek: Enterprise. And managing them is daunting.
How about this: create a single article/page for all LEXX episodes, build on it and then fork into separate articles when details warrant? All the while, retain the list in the current parent article. As for pix, as long as there's just one per episode (fair use), we should be fine.
E Pluribus Anthony |
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06:39, 18 March 2006 (UTC)reply
You didn't nix it very well. :) You've deleted the overview for series 1 and 2, and deleted my more expansive description of Series 3. I say keep one article for each episode, and that will enable a pic for each ep. You can't have 30 pics on one page. That would be dubious copyright (right?) and strain people's bandwidth. I'm glad you didnt delete my pithy episode descriptions
Bipedia15:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)reply
(cont...) Yes, I know, Star Trek Episodes are very well catalogued, but I'm not sure how seriously to take Lexx, since far fewer people have seen it, and it may not form the backbone of humanist consciousness, yet. It depends upon whether we think Wikipedia is destined to be the sole repository of human knowledge after the future apocalyse. I mean, already we're thinking "what a pity that Socrates put nothing on paper". Could future generations depend on us for accurate philosophical information about Lexx? Or will they just go to Sadgeezer?
Bipedia13:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Well, these are questions you have to come to grips with. I generally believe that Wp will endure, but nothing is certain and various administrative/community dynamics may yield a different result eventually. And I'm unfamiliar with Sadgeezer.
Anyhow, I cannot lead such a Wp project regarding LEXX episodes, but I'd love to see one place and will assist. I can also craft the infobox template, etc. Given that it's a multinational production that ran over four seasons, I think it should be taken more seriously than various other series.
E Pluribus Anthony |
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16:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Looks like the hounds are at the door. I think the main thing being objected to is the emptyness of the list, and that is a problem. What I think I will have to do is start detailing the episodes on the list page, and put a few small screencaps in there. Individual links to episodes may be politically difficult to keep. I'm not prepared to do much work on something that will be deleted. Howvever, I'm spending more time on politics than writing.
Bipedia13:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)reply
The hound(s) need to chew on a new bone. 'Emptyness' is a condition that prevails in Wikipedia – that is, there's always room for improvement. I don't think individual ep articles will be problematic if they are given due attention. In any event, thanks for your attention to this and willingness to help enhance these articles.
E Pluribus Anthony |
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13:28, 19 March 2006 (UTC)reply
For the time being, I have moved the page to my own install of MediaWiki, and am hacking the ep guide there. I have ripped off the format for the Buffy episode entries, which seems to look fine. It allows for a lot of future expansion.
Bipedia 02:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC) Almost done Series 3 pics and descriptions. Hard work.
Bipedia14:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)reply
Note to future describers of Lexx episodes
Wikipedia strives to inform the reader of greater context, so, where possible, heady allegory/metaphor in Lexx should be noted. (I know this will be difficult in some episodes.) I'm already impressed by the inclusion of the word
metonymy. I intend to use the word
synecdoche at some point.
Bipedia13:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)reply
He he; I added the note about
metonymy ... it was glaringly obvious that Ottawa was nixed by the Lexx due to variable funding of the Canadian Television Fund by the Canadian government (which supported the production of LEXX during its run) and regional disdain for it. ;)
E Pluribus Anthony |
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16:09, 18 March 2006 (UTC)reply
spoiler warnings.
Hi there.
I think that there are spoilers early in the discussion of "the lexx" itself. e.g. that the ship dies in the last episode, that it gets pregnant while on the earth, etc.
"In the fourth and final season of 24 episodes, the Lexx arrives at Earth in the year 2000"
This contradicts with just about everything said in the fourth season episodes. Near the beginning of the first episode, Little Blue Planet (after the Newfoundland 1901 segment) it reads "Washington, D.C. In the very near future" – and the episode was originally aired July 13, 2001. Also, according to President Priest's hoaxed backstory, he was shot down in Vietnam in 1969, and lived in the jungle for 32 years; or until no earlier than 2001 (also, this event was likely set "in the very near past"). Therefore the presidential election in the first episode cannot be earlier than that of 2004; and since Priest takes office in said episode, the year must have changed by its end. I never noticed an exact year given, and "very near future" is a vague concept at best, so perhaps 2008/09 (or even later) is not out of the question – however, the earliest possible year of 2004/05 seems a likely choice. In any case, 2000 just doesn't add up.
Incidentally, 2005 fits also because there was a Papal Election that year, just like there was one in Stan Down. Of course, the producers couldn't have known this at the time the episode was filmed. --
Anshelm '7720:01, 28 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Lexx shaped like erect Phallus/Scrotal sac when viewed from below
Mercifull says the main article already discusses the phallus-shaped design of the Lexx in another paragraph. I have found no such reference, but would be happy to move the note to a more appropriate spot. If anybody thinks it does not have the described shape from below, the internet disagrees with you. Go search.
Obviously neither of those are formal references. In this particular case, the only definitive reference would be a quote from
Paul Donovan,
Lex Gigeroff, or
Jeffrey Hirschfield describing the phallic form of the Lexx, and as far as I know such a quote does not exist. However, the question in this context is an appeal to something obvious that everybody can determine for themselves. The question is "does the Lexx, when viewed from below, look or not look like a phallus with a scrotal sack?", which in lack of any definitive answer from the writers, is open to debate. Any single reference in this case is useless (with the exception of a reference from the writers), so there is no point in providing any single reference to Joe Blow's thoughts on the matter. However, a large body of references to it can be found with
this link. Again, it's not formally definitive, but it supports the case and I have not found any opinions that it does not look like a phallus. In addition to this, the show crammed as much sexual imagery into the screen as possible. The suggestion of yet one more sexual image, supported by a body of random people on the internet who also noticed the same image, is not a stretch. The internet disagrees. Go search.
Well thanks for the link to the good practices. I read it after you provided it. In the end, I'm sure I won't lose any sleep if somebody changes it yet again, as I have more imporant things to do than trying to convince people of this. :-) For reasons stated above, there is no definitive reference available, but there is an avenue for peer review: that is, take the image of the Lexx on the main page, rotate it counter-clockwise by about 110 or 120 degrees, and look for yourself. Just like in scientific research, where first reporters (i.e. no previous references available) provide a method to verify something for others, you (vous) now have the tools to either confirm or deny this for yourselves. Galileo didn't have a definitive authoritive reference to say Earth wasn't the centre of everything, but he could say "look at Juptiter ('s moons), there's all the proof you need!" I feel somewhat silly making a comparison in this to Galileo, but hopefully the point between "an authoritive reference" and "here's how to verify it for yourself" won't be lost. Whether or not the Lexx looks like a phallus under the previously described conditions can be independently (and subjectively) determined. Cheers!
I'm afraid that without a reference, both you and Galileo are guilty of
Original Research in your respective observations. There is, of course, nothing wrong with performing such research; but submitting it to Wikipedia unpublished is counter to Wikipedia policy.
BreathingMeat01:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your patience in pointing out various wikipedia rules/guidelines. I've been a contributor for years, but learned a lot on this particular thread. I now understand why wikipedia doesn't want independent (unpublished) research and why Galileo himself would be edited out. Now, returning to the phallic question (specifically, "When viewed upside down from the normal televised orientation, some people think the Lexx also looks like an iconic erect phallus with scrotal sack."), could you show me how this statement would require a citation/reference as opposed to the following random lines grabbed from the article that apparently don't: (i'm not attempting to be argumentative, i'm really attempting to understand)
From the
Overview, "Obliquely proffered in the first series as a muddle of Dante-esque and Orwellian references and more directly alluded to in the forth series with episodes such as "A Midsummer's nightmare" a rampaging parody of Shakespeare."
From
Key Themes, "generally however Lexx seems to be attempting to expound the dichotomy of the human condition; juxtaposing the bestial urges that reside within the heart of man with the nobler instinct (or divine spark) that seeks to ennoble us whilst the universe is (literally) collapsing around us."
From
Characters, "The crew of the Lexx is motivated largely by fear, lust, and hunger"
From
The Lexx, "This possible explanation of both the ship's design and its name Lexx (as a homophone of "legs") is certainly in keeping with the risque and sometimes vulgar tone of the series."
(etc, etc) There are lots of unsubstantiated or speculative statements and points of view that don't seem to require a
citation in this article. I don't understand how these unsubstantiated/unreferenced statements are any different in kind than saying "When viewed upside down from the normal televised orientation, some people think the Lexx also looks like an iconic erect phallus with scrotal sack", especially given the overt (and acknowledged by the article) sexual imagery of the show.
What am I missing?
I'd say any of those unsourced statements are subject to removal. I reckon the reason yours was picked on was that other people disagreed.
BreathingMeat22:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm almost certain I've either heard or read Paul say that any phallic resemblance was unintentional and the that Lexx was simply designed to look like a dragonfly. The problem would be finding it these days as a lot of stuff, most notably the old Lexx Bilbored, has been lost.
Shiroi Hane21:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)reply
I have every single Lexx DVD. Not trying to brag, but here is what I will do. I will go though all of the specail features in all of the DVD's. If there is anything on this subject, I will add it personally.
DivineShadow21816:38, 4 June 2007 (UTC)reply
An icecream with two ball can be seen too as an erect fallic object, just like a cristian sword, a banana, a cobra snake or anything near cilindric or long and (more or less) narrow. Erotism is in the eye that sees.
I’ve just read the above discussion and there's a huge amount of speculation – mostly unsubstantiated – so let me clear a few things up.
I was one of a group of designers
Paul assembled to do the mini-series (in fact, it was called The Dark Zone until we found the rights to that name were held by a paint ball company in Winnipeg). The name LEXX came from Lex Giggeroff – everybody thought it was cool – and changing the title at that point was less hassle than going after the rights.
The LEXX ship was designed by Ingolf Hetscher (he also designed The Moth and The Gigashadow). Ingolf was a book illustrator, and the only German I ever met that didn’t speak English. The ship was only supposed to be a very, very large dragonfly and the phallic resemblance was unintentional. That being said, some of us noticed the resemblance early on and no effort was made to change it. In fact, much of the sexual imagery was deliberate -- we planted sight gags and in-jokes every chance we got.
I designed -- among other things -- the LEXX shower, and if you can’t spot the genitalial references in that set you’re stone blind. Another set I designed for the mini-series is seen when Bostwick and Habermann run up a ramp and escape into the LEXX – the entrance, at 14 ft high and 6 ft wide, was possibly the largest vulva and labia ever built. Look at the food dispensers in the Galley set or the LEXX toilets (Wake the Dead) which were equipped with giant tongues. And so on.
BTW: the IMDb if rift with errors concerning crew, and should be used with caution. Many credits are missing while some people are listed on shows they had nothing to do with.--
OldCommentator (
talk)
13:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)reply
I just bought the Australian copy of Season 1 and was disapointed to find that a lot of the more graphic scenes have been cut out. almost the entire scene where His Shadow cuts open his head, removes his brain and places the darkness within is missing (we see him begin the cutting and then it cuts to next scene, he is fine with no explination to what happened). Things like this should be noted in the DVD section. are the version released in other countries also edited?
Mloren22:32, 17 September 2007 (UTC)reply
The graphic scene that you describe is present in full in the Echo Bridge Home Entertainment DVD set's first episode "I Worship His Shadow", (c2010, 2014). This set contains Seasons 1 & 2 and is available in the United States.
IPBiographer (
talk)
13:40, 30 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Overview and Key Themes sections
I've removed these two sections because, although reasonably well written, they're essentially loaded with opinion. I suggest that we start again and produce a brief,
neutral, summary of the plot. --
Tony Sidaway16:27, 21 September 2007 (UTC)reply
I think this series, along with Babylon 5, was highly influential on the genre. Its influence can be seen on some of the later Star Trek, and the new Battlestar Galactica. There probably should be something to reflect this.--
MacRusgail (
talk)
21:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Only if we
citereliable sources for such claims. We can't just add our own opinions about cultural influence. (Frankly, I hope we can find some sources. Lexx has always struck me as a refreshingly different SF series, and I'd like to know if it has indeed influenced any other works.) ~
Jeff Q(talk)03:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Story
Everyone has done a good job explaining the ship and the Universes, but no one have explained the story in the article. This seems a very strong floor in the article to me.
Govvy (
talk)
19:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)reply
While hulu is not available outside the US. Hulu is a large media company which helps show the popularity and other media which this show is released on. To say that it is not American Wikipedia is just wrong. It has nothing to do with where it is available. There are services that are restricted out from the US that are cited on wiki as it should be. It is just one other form of media that is noted that this is available in. IE just like when a table is placed to when the different DVD regions are released or not available. Papers are quoted that are restricted to physical copies that a person would need to buy in that country, and it is still ok to talk about them, to say that to remove something about a major release of this show to 350 million people is not notable is just not right.
Jsgoodrich (
talk)
17:18, 19 August 2010 (UTC)reply
The wiki page says SciFi first aired this in the United States. While this is true of seasons 2-4, the first 'season', the 4 movies, were aired extensively on Showtime, well before SciFi got it.
http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/lexx_991001.html
In the unedited form, a premium channel is the only one that would have been able to show it in the United States.
Unrelated, I have a set of four DVDs I purchased through the Canadian Amazon, because they were not available, at the time, within the United States due to the Showtime contract. The year on the DVDs is 1996, which must be a misprint, although it's on all four, on both the dust cover and the DVD itself. The DVDs were distributed by Koch Vison (www.kochcan.com) in Canada.
Defunctdoormat (
talk)
09:41, 3 December 2010 (UTC)reply
It's been a while, but that sounds about right. There was a small core fanbase of American fans from the original showings of the movies, with an immense influx when they started airing the second series on Sci-Fi (with an introductory episode to summarize the movies for those who hadn't seen them) A lot of people were not even aware of the movies - hence the comments about Lexx being a "rip-off" of Farscape, and it was probably someone from this "generation" who contributed that text. At one point the only way to get the movies was on expensive rental VHS tapes from Paramount in the US. Retail VHS tapes were first released in the UK back in '99. Looking back through my own
news archive, the airing of the second series was announced in October '99 and the Koch license was announced in April 2000.
The section on "Different versions" is also pretty innacurate - if there's a "European version" and an "American version", which of these aired in Canada? This also ignores, for example, the fact that there were differences between the version aired on C5 and Sc-Fi in the UK (for example, IIRC C5's version omitted Bugbomb's speach for reasons never explained).
Shiroi Hane (
talk)
19:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Divine Order is currently a stub on an in-universe religion of Lexx. It is completely non-notable in its own right, and any useful information, I think, should be moved here and
Divine Order deleted as an independent article. I don't imagine this being controversial. --
Pstanton (
talk)
21:40, 6 August 2011 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Merger proposal
Water (Lexx) to be merged into this article. Secondary, whilst at it, more of these in-universe articles may want to be merged. Article size permitting, else merging to a separate one (optional).
Widefox (
talk)
15:48, 8 May 2012 (UTC)reply
I think the article size would become prohibitive. It's already a huge article with 10 sections. Fire and Water could be merged into a single article with little loss, however. This also would make sense as the two worlds are conjoined in-universe. --
Lamoxlamae (
talk)
04:27, 26 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Divine Merger Proposals
We have quite a few related Divine Order pages that could be merged. Should they be merged and if so, which way is best? Here is my idea of how it could go:
Merge into Kai: Divine Assasin, Divine Order, Brunen-G
Merge into His Divine Shadow: Gigashadow, Insect Civilization, Cluster Lizard and possibly move over "Divine Predecessor" from the Minor Characters page
Lexx contains several translation jokes, most noticeable is the Brunnen-G. Translating it back to English could result in G-Well. So, Kai was born in a gravity well. The right translation would Schwerkraftsenke. But Brunnen-G was chosen as a translation joke. Be careful for any word that sounds "Kraut" in this series, and try to be creative when translating it back to English. — Preceding
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92.196.79.3 (
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23:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
This is the last character article left, only kept at AfD due to a lack of interest in the discussion. It has nothing to show notability, so it has no reason to exist.
TTN (
talk)
20:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)reply
KEEP Reason hers is still here is because hers has 3rd party refs from sources like the Chicago Sun-Times, Cinefantastique, and Wired. None of the others did.
Dr. Stantz (
talk)
22:21, 24 July 2014 (UTC)reply
Link As a character of the series, she should be linked to her entry on the main page as she is a central character especially in the later series due to the original Lexx ship not appearing as much in the Earth based episodes. — Preceding
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talk)
08:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)reply
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Did a big rewrite, mostly in the plot and character sections. Used the Farscape page as an overall template. Some other things I'd like to get done are adding an image for the four MCs, putting the soundtracks into a soundtrack template with an image of the album cover, adding short bios to some of the minor characters (couldn't remember all of them), and there may also be a few things I missed/got wrong throughout the article. Feel free to bring up anything you think needs changing.