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Adil, please provide reliable sources for the timeframe that you provided.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 18:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This line is not correct: "Along with lake Van and lake Sevan, it was one of the three great lakes of the Armenian Kingdom, referred to as the seas of Armenia". Firstly, because it is imprecise and gives a wrong impression that the Lake was fully within Armenia, as opposed to bordering its north-western shore. Secondly, because it gives a link to Armenian kingdom, where it positions itself as some unitary "kingdom" for centuries ("was an independent[citation needed] kingdom from (approximately 355 years) 190 BC to AD 165[citation needed], and a client state of the Roman Empire from 165 to 428.") The reality is that Armenia, under the Persian king Tigranes the Great, had Urmia and other Atropatenian lands for only about 20 years during its first and only independent existence from 95 BC to 66 BC. Before that, and after that, lake Urmia was firmly part of various empires that existed on the territory of Iran -- whether Achameneid and Sassanid Persian Empires, or the Parthian Empire, or the Medes/Media. Thus, the wording used by POV pushers is incorrect and will have to be changed.
Also, the Redgrave book, however unscholarly and pro-Armenian, contains the following quotes as well: "From their base south of Lake Urmia (now in Iran), the Scyths troubled Urartu as well as her rival Assyria. Azerbaijan is an arrow pointed at Armenia's..." (p. 10)
"More ancient still than these sites is that of Hasanlu, to the south of Lake Urmia. Here there was a settlement as early as the sixth millennium BC. Hasanlu was a major metal-working centre and prosperous in the very late second millennium. In the late ninth century BC it was part of the newly formed kingdom of Mana, which both Assyria and Urartu were to try to control, for strategic, commercial and economic reasons." (p. 29)
"But the Scyths attacked Urartu as well as Assyria from their base in Mana and the Zagros mountains to the south of Lake Urmia." (p. 32)
This is why I've previously inserted the following line, which for some unexplained reason was removed by POV pushers: "In ancient times, Lake Urmiya was part of the Manna state, later Urartu, Medes (Media) and Atropatena." Anyways, this line is going to be added back. -- AdilBaguirov 20:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Babakexorramdin, there is no need to mass remove (vandalize) Latin script titles for Azerbaijan. As you have already been explained at Talk:Tabriz, the International Standards Organization recognizes the language with Latin script. Please, provide basis, with references, for using Arabic script only. Thanks. Atabek ( talk) 23:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
On 20 January 2011 Xashaiar removed the paragraph:
claiming that it was original research and contained false information. It seems that the first sentence is true based upon pre-1950 descriptions of the area, but I don't live there. I haven't looked at dictionaries about the "grape" meaning of urum. Does anyone have good citations to reliable sources for this? -- Bejnar ( talk) 00:02, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Needs some information about approximate altitude. Is this a high-altitude lake ? Eregli bob ( talk) 13:51, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
This article once started out with a list of alternate names:
However, the guideline at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Separate section usage states Alternatively, if there are more than two alternative names, these names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section; it is recommended that this be done if there are at least three alternate names, or there is something notable about the names themselves. As there was a considerable list of names, the lead was shorted and the alternate names placed in the "Names and etymologies" subsection. The guideline goes on to say: Once such a section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As the local official name is not different from its anglicization, it was not included in the lead. -- Bejnar ( talk) 20:45, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
This edit removed content because:
Regarding the last one, there are two important points here: first, Iranian Azeris are well integrated in society and there are no any kind of ethnic frictions with others because Iran is a multi-ethnic society. There are dozens of high-ranking Iranian Azeri politicians (proportionally even more then Persians), including head of state Ali Khamenei. Second point: Iran and whole region was infected by serious of droughts in past few years (building of dams also contributed to losing water), so not only Urmia was affected but also Parishan Lake, Zayandeh-Rud and many other (in central Iran, Fars/Persia region). Maybe government plans to depopulate inner Persia also? Laughable. Beside lacking reliable sources, claims make no logical sense. -- MehrdadFR ( talk) 01:45, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
The following statement: "in the last five hundred years the area around Lake Urmia has been home to Azeris, Iranians, Kurds, Assyrians, and Armenians" makes a false distinction between Iranians, Azeris, and Kurds - whilst the latter two are part of the Iranian peoples. For example, Iranian Azerbaijanis and Kurds are descendants of Medes and Parthians. The languages spoken are all part of the Iranian languages. Iranian (Iranic) peoples include Azeris and Kurds. The distinction made is not an accurate description.
I recommend the following alternation:
"In the last five hundred years the area around Lake Urmia has been home to Iranians, Assyrians, and Armenians".
Note that the substance of the statement is not impacted. Merely the words: Azeris and Kurds are merged with Iranians - as they should have been. NuturalObserver ( talk) 13:25, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
The alteration has been made. NuturalObserver ( talk) 13:52, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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The says that this was the largest saltwater lake in the world once, but this makes little sense because the Aral Sea was significantly larger at the time, just to give an example. The Caspian Sea also has salt water, although the salt concentration is lower. Is there a specific definition in use by this article?
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ZaniGiovani particularly has always been firm with his consensus, which he said already achieved long long before I started to edit on this AA contentious articles. However when I looked for consensus he said in the talk page of Lake Urmia, I found nothing.
He removed Turkic name of Lake Sevan I added yesterday because it is not used for more than hundred year, etc. Meanwhile, there is Armenian name in the lede of Lake Urmia which also is not inhabited by significant Armenian population and no one beside them use that name.
It is ridiculous. Why Armenian name must be inserted in articles of place/physical object in nearby country, but we can't vice versa? Mfikriansori ( talk) 16:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
However when I looked for consensus he said in the talk page of Lake Urmia, I found nothing.