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I support this merge. Since Krillin was given a pass in September 2008
[1], the article has not seen significant improvement, and no notability has been established at all. It is still just an article of excessive plot summary. While some may say there is no
deadline, that doesn't mean articles have forever to be fixed and at this point, I say time's up. --
AnmaFinotera (
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00:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Support There is nothing like a eternal free pass without paying a price. Seems that no one made the required effort to bring the required evidences of notability to secure this article but no none bothered to so. Per consequence i support the merge. --
KrebMarkt12:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment Except that Frieza has established notability. This can be expressed through his appearances in other media section, as well as his reception section. Krillin posseses none of these these sections.
DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!!19:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment I've gone ahead and added the needed development and reception sections. It's not much but it's a start.
Sarujo (
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10:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment It was my understanding that these articles thrived alone on their development and reception section. On the Budokai merger discussion you're stating that the only thing that matters was development. Here you're implying that's not the case for with merger. So I'm confused. But if you want more cameos and guest spots, I know where to go.
Sarujo (
talk)
04:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose, I made some quick search and added two reviews to Krillin's article. It seems somebody also added some more. I will be searching for more reception later.
Tintor2 (
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14:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Postpone Merge?
I think, that in light of the work that the article has been recieving as of late, we should hold off on a merge. It seems like required information can be added. However, there should be no objections for us to return to a merge discussion should the article be unable to supply enough infomation to warrent keeping its own article.
DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!!00:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)reply
By how I see it, this article has as much reception as
Vegeta. I ll try to add other stuff such as merchandise or more publications, but now Im having some issues with my computer which avoid me from opening more than one window.
Tintor2 (
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00:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Yes, but most series like Bleach and Naruto dont have that kind of stuff and the notability is justified with the reception. By the way, I remember that Naruto's author, Masashi Kishimoto, said that his favourite character from DB was Krillin, but I can't find that.
Tintor2 (
talk)
00:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Both Bleach and Naruto character articles indeed have these sections, and while yes, notability is justified with simply a large enough ammount of reception from a variety of reliable third party sources, appearances in other media sections are always in good character articles.
DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!!00:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)reply
This article has the appearances in other media, and while most of it is about Dragon Ball, that is the type of section the Naruto and Bleach articles have.
Tintor2 (
talk)
01:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Me neither, I only know about why gi was orange just like Goku's. It seems Toriyama didnt reveal too many things about the creation of characters.
Tintor2 (
talk)
01:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose merge. After taking a look at the new reception and other media sections, I think that it is more than evident that Krillin is notable. --
LoЯd۞pεth06:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Support merge Becomes a secondary character as the series progresses. Does not have enough info on reception or creation ... Yamcha article had more creation and conception and reception data and was erased.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
22:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Importance in the series is not something needed to have an article. Most of the Yamcha's info from conception and reception were original research and contained unreliable sources.
Tintor2 (
talk)
23:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)reply
"OTHERSTUFF" is never an argument for deleting or merging an article. Supporting Krillin's merger only because Yamcha was merged too is not an argument. How much is "enough info on reception and creation"? Who determines that? As Tintor has pointed out, the creation and reception sections in Yamcha's article were mostly OR, while Krillin's clearly pass verifiability. --
LoЯd۞pεth16:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Enough info is at least 30% of the entire page. And how is OR bad (And not most of it was OR btw, only a portion, and only a couple of sources were unreliable)? Also I fail to see where Krillin is mentioned in some of the refs (for example
http://www.mania.com one)? Also one of the main arguments of the ppl supporting the merge was "he was not important later in the series" ... Good grief.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
01:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Rules of the wikipedia are not to be taken in all seriousness ... A large quantity of articles have OR and they are doing just fine. And yes, I'm talking about Yamcha article. Also, I am reading the ref and I can't find Krillin in the article.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
01:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
They are doing fine? An article must avoid OR if it has to pass a GA review. If the content is not sourced, it should be deleted.
Tintor2 (
talk)
01:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Can't comment on that, but one would think that Wikipedia chooses its staff carefully. As I said not all rules are to be blindly followed.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
03:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
The GA reviewers were not chosen by anybody. In the GA page nominations, it says the reviewer can be anybody who has not worked in a nominated article, but they must follow the GA criteria, which it seems it did not follow causing the article to be delisted some time later.
Tintor2 (
talk)
15:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment: there is important information here that must not be ignored: first, as I've already said, the argument "because we have/don't have an article on X, then we must/must not have an article on Y" is not valid in deletion and merging discussions, in other words, Yamcha not having an article is not an argument for merging Krillin. Second, which Wikipedia policy or guideline states that a reception section must be "30% of the entire page" in order to avoid merging? And finally, Yamcha's article was not merged while being a GA: it first losed its GA status and then it was merged because of the vast amount of OR and lack of clear notability. --
LoЯd۞pεth18:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
The article lost the GA after a fight over it by some folk, I won't go into it, and gained GA status while it contained OR. Two or three people approved of it (as a GA), now that I remember. Notability was discussed heavily and it was decided that it was not important enough to spot us from making a good article. But please enough about this; its not the subject here.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
19:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
We've gone into deep discussion of Yamcha's article and OR. That's why it needs to stop. And I don't see this Otherstuff anywhere as Wiki official policy. Provide a link please.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
21:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
I didn't use that exactly, but I see that I was misunderstood. I tried to say that Yamcha had more info, and was deleted, and thus Krillin, with much less info, should be erased too. I wasn't arguing overall importance of characters or articles (I'm tired of it, to be frank). Anywayz, I'll take the OR to AM project page.
SSJ 5 (
talk)
23:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)reply
No problem. By the way, if you get some reception that could be used, you could start a discussion to rebuild Yamcha's article.
Tintor2 (
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00:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)reply
"In a review for the Broly Triple Feature, Matt Rox stated that he did not understand why Krillin appeared to be the only character to fight Broly in all three movies." - cannot find review - link reference does not work - just watched Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan because of this and Krillin never fought Broly in it. Needs to be removed. False information. —Preceding
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76.89.242.227 (
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10:50, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
That was my fault. The statement was suppose to say "Krillin appeared to be the only character not to fight Broly in all three movies". Also in the future please put all new discussion you create at the bottom. Thank you.
Sarujo (
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15:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)reply
Pretty sure his english name is Krillin in the anime and Manga. As far as I can tell, Wikipedia uses the english names if one is available in the original source material. I'll move it if no one has a reason not to.
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23:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 23:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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