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Koevoet article
(It consisted of Ovambo fighters and about 300 white officers and white SADF non-commissioned officers.)
'This is a lot of hog wash.....They consisted of SA Police members and SWA Police members with Ovambo's....Get your facts right we never ever drove in Buffels...
Angus ZT.'
They where a specilist anti terrorism unit under the comand of Sterk Hans Dreyer the best ever comander any soldier or fighting unit could ask for. I was part of them for about six years which I am proud to say made me a man. No person should ever be put in the same conditions I have been but do not forget we are proud to call usselfs sons of Sterk Hans. We might be forgotten by South Africa but I say to all you Ex-Koevoet I stil pray for you out there and hopethat oneday we will be commended by our country as we should be!
I have combined the previous version with the recent edits by User:Phase4 into a more balanced section (see WP:Neutral point of view). Can we please guard against politicizing thise page any further, because the article refers to only one unit used during a military conflict (whether it was legal or not) and I think this section now describes the background sufficiently and wikilinks and refers to enough additional articles. -- Deon Steyn 06:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the Craig Williamson link from the See also section as I can find no link whatsover between him and Koevoet. Unless he served with them or interacted with them the connection is too far removed to be useful. -- Deon Steyn 06:47, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
This article says (paraphrasing) the South Africans were involved in a defence of Western values and interests against commies interested only in minerals and influence. Another author could easily write the freedom fighters were interested in liberating the oppressed and enslaved masses against the evil apartheid regime backed by the USA and UK who were interested only in minerals and influence. Each is POV. This article takes the former view. I would also complain about the latter. More balance required. Paul Beardsell 10:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I still don't quite feel comfortable with the phrasing in the intro, but I do suppose it – sadly – is a prominent part of what makes them notable/known. Perhaps my following thoughts could provide fresh impetus, ideas or at least be considered by future reader of the article. My reason for the "discomfort" is simply that a few stories showing untoward behaviour, by some parties are enough to warrant such a label for an entire unit (of over 3,000 at a given time) actively engaged in war then surely this label would apply to almost all military units?
Just as an easy to reference current example: this type of phrase is not part of the US Marine article, yet 7 servicemen have recently plead guilty to kidnap and murder of a civilian, [1] while others are accused of killing 24 civilians in reaction to a roadside bomb, [2] there is also a group of soldiers ( 101st Airborne I think) charged with raping a young girl and killing her family, [3] German soldier posing for photos with a skull, [4] etc. etc. Comparatively - as macabre as it is to make such comparisons - the allegations against Koevoet don't rise to this level, but even if the severity of these acts are not relevant, the fact is that the entire units/organizations mentioned above are not tarred by these events?
The source of many allegations and interpretations of events came from adversaries or entities sympathetic to them. Propaganda is part of war. Of course one can not simply dismiss all reports as such, but the source of a report has to be taken into account, especially in situations of war that are notoriously difficult to assess and record accurately.
Where to now? The article currently covers the basic technical aspect of the unit, the conflict, structure and so on. Perhaps we could add a section called something like "notoriety" (or "accusations of brutality") with a similar, but abbreviated description? -- Deon Steyn 06:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Removal of the CCB link from the "See also" section was reverted since it was made on the following erroneous assumptions:
'CCB was not related to Koevoet'
'CCB had nothing to do with Namibia' (all of the proof below can be found in the CCB article