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Galicia was the first kingdom of Western Europe. And it was one of the oldest for centuries: it begun in the year 409 and finished in 1833. The Suebic Kingdom is also known as the "Galliciense Regnum", in Latin language, spoken at that time, the "Galician Kingdom". This was also one of the three kingdoms under the Visigothic Crown, since 585, with Hispania and Septimania -from the "Gallia Septimania", currently in France and Catalonia-. When Hispanic Kingdom got muslim, in 711, Galician Kingdom was independent again, but keeping a continuity. In fact, the first kings were relatives of the last king of Galicia under the Visigothic Crown, Witiza. The courts were established in Oviedo, in Asturias, at that time a Galician region. Later, the Galician kings put the capital city in Leon, another Galician city at the High Middle Ages. So, there were not "Kings of Asturias" or "Kings of Leon". There where only "Kings of Galicia" until Xth century, when the Kingdoms of Leon and Asturias were created and became independent from Galicia for the first time. However, these kingdoms, later with Castile, were under the Galician Crown until XIIIrd century.
Asturias, Leon, Portugal or Coimbra were parts of Galicia, as Central Galicia. Oviedo, Leon, Xixon, Porto, Navia, Bragança, Chaves, Viana do Castelo or Vilafranca do Bierzo were Galician cities, like Lugo, Ourense, Pontevedra, Santiago or Corunna. In fact, Asturians, Artabrians, Lucenses, Pretamaricans, Postamaricans, Callaeci, etc., were Galician tribes at the time of the ancient Gallaecia, before the arrival of the Roman legions. It changed at the Low Middle Ages, after the foundation of several kingdoms which only then begun to be different from Northwestern, or Central, Galicia. However, today the people from Asturias, Leon or Northern Portugal conserve an important part of their ancient Galician culture and heritage, such as the language -there are thousands of Asturian and Leonese Galician-speakers-, the music, the clothes or the gastronomy.
The last king of Galicia was John of Gaunt, John II of Galicia, at the end of XIVth century. But Galicia existed as a kingdom until XIXth century: when Spanish Crown lost its territories in continental America after Napoleonic Wars, the Spanish kings looked at the kingdoms of the Iberian Peninsule in order to colonize them even more. Two hundred years ago, 99 per cent of Galicians were Galician-speakers, but today less than 60 per cent speak Galician language (over one million and a half citizens). Even by this way, however, Galicia is currenly the only one 'historical' nation, and the only one autonomous community, under the Spanish Kingdom/State, where Castilian/Spanish is not the most spoken language. 19:38, 29 April 2010 ~~85.91.69.59~~
Leaving aside that the Suebic kingdom of the Roman province of Gallaecia (not the same as Galicia to begin with) was conquered by the Visigoths in the 6th century and ceased to exist permanently and irremediably since then, Where is the political center of this supposed Kingdom of Galicia during the 8th and 9th centuries? Centuries in which the Kingdom of Asturias existed and was the actual Kingdom by the way. There is no any remains, absolutely any remains, in Braga, Santiago de Compostela, Porto, Coruña... or any other city that you will claim as the "Galician capital", on the other hand we have the royal palace in Oviedo and a lot of buildings built during the 8th and 9th centuries in Asturias, manly in the surroundings of Oviedo which clearly shows this was an important political and cultural center, the capital of an actual Kingdom and not a fantasy. And all this without taking into account all the chronicles of the 8th and 9th centuries that talk about the "Asturum Regnum", we have Carolingian chronicles that talk of the embassy of the Kingdom of Asturias in Aachen, but nothing about an embassy of the Kingdom of Galicia. This is so easily denbunked, yet this article still full of lies, most of the references are links to unsubstantiated claims made by Galician regionalists, what a joke Wikipedia is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.152.128.29 ( talk) 12:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
The Visigothic crown was never a thing, the very concept of "crown" as a monarchical entity in which several kingdoms are grouped didn't even exist, there is no such thing as "Galicia under the Visigothic crown". Almost reaches schizophrenia to say that the kingdoms of Asturias and León didn't exist, yet the kings of this supposed Kingdom of Galicia had their centers of power in Asturias and León, pure comedy.
As a curious fact, the Spanish language was the ONLY native language of ALL the cities in Galicia since the 16th century, the Galician language was relegated to a marginal position in rural areas and wasn't used again by urbanites until the 20th century with the regionalist movement sponsored by the State of the autonomous communities imposed by liberal democracy. It was the decision of the Galicians of centuries ago to stop speaking Galician, there was no "colonization" or any fallacy you say to support the separatist discourse. Language is an instrument and if it doesn't serve to communicate, it stops being useful and people start to stop using it.
A Kingdom of Galicia hasn never existed, or better said it has never existed in the way the galician nationalist want to make us believe. They claim the suebinan kingdom to be the first phase of their kingdom and Hermenaric to be the first king of Galicia. While it is true that the Kingdom of the Suevi has sometimes been refered as the Kingdom of Galaecia, Regnum Galaeciae , it doesent´t change that Galicia and Galaecia are not identical as Galecia also includes parts of the neiboring regions of Asturia and northern Portugal. And even if you equate Galicia with Galaecia, it doesen´ change that the kingdom ceased to exist in 585 when it was conquered by the visigoths. The article claims the the kingdom was part of the Visigothic monarchy or the VIsigothic crown as if the visigothic kingdom was somewhat of personal or dynastic union similar to the crown of arragon or the crown of castille, but such a concept diddn´t exist back than , ther was only one kingdom the kingdom of the visigoths refered to Rgnum Visigotorum in Latin sources. After the muslim conquest the region was briefly occupied by the moors and while some people here have argued the the region never camed under de-facto moorish rule, it doesnt´t mean that a Kingdom of Galicia of any shape or form existed on the territory. In any case the region was quickly reconquered by the kingdom of Asturia, but again ther was(it this point) only one kingdom, the kingdom of Asturia. Might be that an independent or semi-independant Kingdom of Galicia existed durring the high middel ages within the crown of castille, but the continuity from the the suebi , the claim that galicia was one of the first Kindoms and europe etc. its all a fabrication . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:CD:A716:9400:1DA7:A205:981C:C0FB ( talk) 18:03, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
First: the area associated with most countries, states, even regions, changes over time.
Second, just an example, an snipet: Gregory of Tours, Historia Francorum, V.41: “Mirus rex Galliciensis legatos ad Guntchramnum regem dirixit”.
Translated into French: “Mir, roi de Gallice, envoya des messagers au roi Gontran” ( https://books.google.es/books?id=0XUaAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310#v=snippet&q=galice&f=false)
Translated into English: “Ambassadors were despatched to King Gunthram’s court from Mir, King of Galicia ( https://books.google.es/books?id=xVBiCOBX4WMC&lpg=PP1&dq=History%20of%20the%20Franks&pg=PR5-IA40#v=onepage&q=Galicia&f=false)-- Froaringus ( talk) 13:33, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
There is no contemporary chronicle of visigothics period that affirmes that the Suevo Kingdom continued after the conquest by the King Visigoth Leovigildo in 585, it is impossible for the kingdom of Galicia to have had an uninterrupted continuation from 410 to 1833. The Visigoth Kingdom did not admit other kingdoms in their breast, so it was divided into provinces that is the official term used by the Visigoth Chronicles, therefore Galicia had ceased to be a kingdom after the conquest of 585. Only three times after the conquest of the Suevo Kingdom, it is mentioned that Galicia distinguishes from Spain in Visigothic period, but does not speak of the kingdom of Galicia. The rest of the mentions (which are also the majority) speaks of Spain including Galicia in its territory.~~Segobirras~~ [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Segobirras ( talk • contribs) 14:25, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello. That would be more correct. But not the right thing either. The date 410 was still too early for the chronicles to have used the term Kingdom of Galicia as Gregorio de Tours, bishop and historian in the 6th century did to the Suebic kingdom. That is why the edition of it in the spanish language is very difficult to admit that date (410) as the birth of the Kingdom of Galicia. This may be the date to speak of a Suebic domain, but not yet to associate it as a Kingdom of Galicia at first. In fact, the Suebi coveted their power far more than the ancient Roman province of Gallaecia. But we can say that in the 6th century if there was a Kingdom of Galicia, at least that is what foreigners like Gregorio de Tours perceived.
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