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The competing optionsThe RfC shows consensus for one article. Currently we have at least three:
Of these I would argue that the last is the best by some way. The question to be answered here is, what should be the title of the final article? Candidates appear to me, based on the discussion above, to be:
Feel free to add any other obvious options. Please could we have a rough show of hands for each, indicating order of preference. Obviously any number of redirects can be created for the convenience of the reader, so this is purely about the title where we should combine the substantive content. Guy ( Help!) 14:19, 9 October 2015 (UTC) This whole thing is out of process
Kim Davis (county clerk)
Rowan County same-sex marriage license controversy
Threaded discussionPlease indicate order of preference, don't sign in any title that you would not support at all. Guy ( Help!) 14:18, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
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Now is not the time for a formal proposal, while the other RM is still open, but isn't this use of Kim Davis clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Kim Davis"? All the other uses listed at the Kim Davis (disambiguation) are truly obscure. Perhaps 10 years from now this Kim Davis will be just as obscure, but that is clearly not the case today. -- В²C ☎ 14:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
At this point Davis' role in clarifying the meaning and impact of the supreme court ruling on same-sex marriage is undeniable. Like I said, the significance might dissipate in ten years, but the situation today, and for the foreseeable future, is quite obvious.
I also want to address the question of whether Davis should have a separate article. The question is, frankly, absurd. WP is replete with articles about people far more obscure than Davis, including the other people named Kim Davis that have articles on WP. It's funny how every now and then this issue is raised in the context of someone with enormous but sudden notoriety. Yes, it's sudden, but it's enormous. When countless reliable news source each have multiple articles centered on that person, there can be no question about that person's notability being far more than sufficient to warrant a biographical article. Also, it's not like something happened to occur to Davis that could have happened to anyone. She's not famous for being hit by lightning twice, for example. She's famous for something she did (or, rather, didn't do) - a decision she made. The story is all about her.
Finally, I think the article speaks for itself - it's far, far more developed than the majority of our biographical articles, most of which are barely beyond the stub stage. The idea that this article should be transformed into something other than a biography makes no sense. -- В²C ☎ 19:54, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
В²C, you wrote: "The idea that this article should be transformed into something other than a biography makes no sense." Total agreement! Who has suggested a "transformation"???? I have no idea what you're talking about. The articles have been merged and the article's scope and content are perfect as is. No change is necessary in that regard. The only question is whether the current title describes the content accurately.
IIRC, you believe she's notable enough for this article to have a title with only her name. Other editors believe the controversy is the most notable factor and wish to have the controversy mentioned in the title. A compromise, which should satisfy meet the concerns of both sides, would be to include both elements in the title, per the
requested move above, while making no change in the content. That is the proposition. Only that. --
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.Please provide either the word support to make this an event article...
BullRangifer has repeatedly claimed this article is currently not a "pure" biography, apparently a term he has invented for the convenience of defending his otherwise indefensible position, as if a "pure" biography is a thing. It's not. Many biographies are mostly if not exclusively about the one notable event or thing that made the subject person notable. That does not make the biography "impure". There is no such thing. There is no consideration for such a concept in our criteria for deciding titles. This is a biography, period, and should be titled accordingly. -- В²C ☎ 16:05, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Anyway, I just wish somebody would already close this so we could move on and propose the plain Kim Davis title, which should settle this whole thing once and for all. -- В²C ☎ 06:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
BullRangifer, I don't believe anything I've written even suggests that I might think PrHartcom or the proposal wording proposes a splitting of the article into two. Are you deliberately misreading my words? If not, please identify the words that I actually wrote that can be reasonably interpreted to mean that I'm interpreting the proposal to be proposing an article split.
Let me put it this way. Say the proposal passes and the title is changed to Kim Davis same-sex marriage license controversy. Do you really think the article can remain as-is except for the title change? Don't you think the opening sentence would have to change, which currently mentions only her and not the event at all? What about that biographical info box? What about the first subsection entitled Career which is exclusively about her career? The sections on her Personal Life and Election History? You really think no changes are required to transform this article from being the biographical article that it is to be being an event article as proposed? What are you thinking? -- В²C ☎ 15:14, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
Now, can we all agree that the proposal is not JUST about changing the title, but that if the title is changed then the article will have to be changed/transformed so that it is no longer a biography? It's an important point because the implication is that if this proposal succeeds we will be left without a biography on Kim Davis, which I think makes no sense given her notability. Yes, her notability stems almost entirely from one event, but it's a highly publicized event in which she is the key/central figure. Therefore, we should keep this biography about her. Don't blame me for the faulty reasoning in the last discussion which resulted in the expression of an understandable but impractical desire for only one article. I was not part of that. -- В²C ☎ 16:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
No, you're still misunderstanding it. I agree with Prhartcom. If some very small tweaks are necessary, so be it, but the basic scope and content remain the same. No substantive change needs to be made. We just need a title which adequately describes the content, and puts the emphasis on the controversy, which is very notable, and not on Davis, who is only notable because of the controversy. The reason for keeping her name in the title is because it is HER controversy. She defines it. No one else is involved. -- BullRangifer ( talk) 16:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
"my thoughts have not been duly noted by BullRangifer."It appears you need to be either reminded of or have it pointed out to you that no one is obligated to respond to comments or edit Wikipedia. If you have a personal beef against BR simply because they aren't taking public notice of your "thoughts", take it up with them elsewhere. This is not the place for it. You've made your point several times over. As Prhartcom pointed out, it's time to stop hammering your point and move on. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
I think you need to be reminded of it because you are essentially saying you won't move on until BR addresses or acknowledges your comments. Which, according to WP:OBLIGATION is an unreasonable expectation. Now, at this point, because you are obviously not getting the spirit of WP:OBLIGATION, it's obvious you also need to be reminded or made aware of the importance of dropping the stick when it's time to do so. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:43, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
"Your thoughts on the matter have been duly noted. There is no need to continue passionately hammering this point". To which you replied:
"my thoughts have not been duly noted by BullRangifer. BullRangifer has repeatedly demonstrated a total and complete distortion of what I have been saying.". Your response indicated to me that you unhappy BR has not responded to what you want BR to respond. Hence, my reminder to you of WP:OBLIGATION. If, in fact, that's not what you were saying, the problem isn't in how I read what you wrote but how you wrote it. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:47, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
"I don't know if he has a reading comprehension problem, English is not his first language, or what...". You really need to strike those comments. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:32, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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The indisputable implication of this proposal passing is that this article will cease being a biography on Kim Davis, and that there will be no biography about Kim Davis on Wikipedia. Is that acceptable? Why? She is the central driving figure in an event that captured months of nationwide attention, and has helped clarify the implications of a supreme court ruling about a controversial socio-political issue. For us to raise the bar of notability so high as to justify not having a biography article about such a notable person would mean excluding perhaps a majority of our biographies. Or, making this exclusion be a special case for some reason. What is that reason? What is the justification for not having a biography article about someone as notable as Kim Davis? And please don't answer this with reasoning that could also be used to justify transforming countless other biographies into event articles, unless you're prepared to defend that too. -- В²C ☎ 17:57, 15 October 2015 (UTC) And in case anyone thinks not having a Kim Davis biography is justified by WP:ONEVENT, be sure to read it, especially this part:
WP:ONEVENT clearly supports having a biography on Kim Davis. -- В²C ☎ 18:22, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
В²C, From WP:PSEUDO:
From WP:ONEEVENT:
We have the interesting situation that two guidelines are relevant and intersect here, ONEEVENT and PSEUDO. During this whole process, I have been cognizant that both apply, and I suspect that Prhartcom also shares this view, so we are trying to follow them as closely as possible, while seeking a compromise which works. In the process we may or may not be creating a precedent for a better way to deal with such unique situations. I don't know for sure. (added in revision 02:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)) We are compromising here because she is synonymous with the event. She IS the event. RS and COMMONNAME favor this approach. This means we end up with an event article, but with her name in it, and it includes some biographical content. You get that much. Call the article what you wish, but you do get biographical information. A compromise is the This compromise should be somewhat satisfactory to everyone: (1) those who want an event article get it, and (2) those who want a biography will find that information in the article. We have many types of articles here, and there is no guideline which dictates a hard and fast division between these two types. Editors have the freedom to adapt things as necessary. This situation requires a compromise in the title. She is too notable, because of HER controversy, to be left out of the title. The guideline(s) (ONEEVENT and PSEUDO) leave open the possibility for a future, separate, biography article, IF she gains significant notability for more than the controversy. Who knows, she may become a TV reality star on her own show! She may even become a politician (not the civil servant type), running for office on a homophobic ticket pursuing the Biblical death penalty for all American gays. We can cross that bridge if we ever come to it, but we are not going to use crystal ball thinking to create a pure biography now. So the conclusion to this is that we arrived at a compromise position, long before you arrived. I hope you accept this olive branch which has been offered to others. -- BullRangifer ( talk) 04:20, 16 October 2015 (UTC) Revised. -- BullRangifer ( talk) 02:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
I discovered that I mistakenly wrote ONEEVENT, when I was referring to content from PSEUDO, so I have revised and added significant content to my previous reply with this edit. Please study it. -- BullRangifer ( talk) 02:56, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Politicians:
She was and is only a local politician who was never notable for more than that. She became notable for this controversy, and all the sources you dig up (which document content which is in the article) were written because of and after this controversy started. The few bits of biographical information from before the controversy (which is in the article), was not enough to make her notable. It is only this controversy which does it, so the event is the primary subject, and the title should emphasize the event, hence the move/retitle request above. Since she is synonymous with the event, we include her name as well. TRPoD and Prhartcom have explained this to you above. I don't care whether you call the article an event article or a biography. Do as you wish. You are getting both. All the content is there, so just drop the stick. Your disruption needs to stop. -- {{u| BullRangifer}} { Talk } 20:05, 18 October 2015 (UTC) |
Not moved, per absence of consensus. Too much electronic ink has already been spilled on this issue. It is possible to have an article on the controversy (including any aspects that do not involve this article subject), and a separate article on the subject, who has become individually notable in that her biographical details may be of interest to those with only a limited interest in the controversy at issue. The subject is a public figure who had received news coverage prior to this controversy arising. She was involved in multiple widely reported incidents only tangentially connected to it (such as her meeting with the Pope, her widely reported change of political party affiliation, and the announced Westboro Baptist Church protests against her marital situation). There is no consensus to move this article, and strong reasons have been provided for maintaining an article on the individual. bd2412 T 14:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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Kim Davis (county clerk) → Kim Davis same-sex marriage license controversy – Should the Kim Davis (county clerk) article be an event article or a biography article? Consensus has decided that there should be only one article (at least for now) at Talk:Kim Davis (county clerk)#RfC: Two articles or one? (Or three?). In the words of the closing administrator of that discussion, "Normal practice would have been to write about the incident first, not the person, per WP:BLP1E" then write about the person later when they become notable for more than one event. Many editors have discussed this already at the discussion linked above and at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kim Davis (county clerk) (2nd nomination) (which was closed with Snow Keep). Please provide either the word support to make this an event article or the word oppose to leave this a biography article and give your rationale. Thanks to all for your efforts on this subject. Prhartcom ( talk) 16:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC) Poll
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The Kim Davis article has always been properly NPOV. The Reactions section of the article naturally provides both left and right leaning reactions. The newest reaction that was just added is a "new" reaction that happens to be left leaning and from a legal expert. It was added as its own paragraph. It has now been moved to the appropriate first paragraph of the Reactions section, appearing there in chronological order.
This newest reaction had also been added to the lede; to the first paragraph, no less. This "new" reaction does not belong in the lede; it has been reverted and removed. Any reaction is, of course, one-sided. We don't put the latest one-sided reaction in the lede, excluding all other reactions. If we do that, at the very least we put in another reaction from the other side. There has never been a reaction in the lede so I removed the "new" reaction.
The edit summary tried to explain that it is okay to inject POV in one direction so soon in the article, as POV "reflects the mainstream views and controversies". While I understand the editor's sentiment and even have a POV myself, I don't believe we should inject POV into the article lede for any reason. It is simpler, clearer, and is a better service to our readers to leave out all reactions from the lede: give the reader a chance to focus on the facts of Kim Davis herself and her controversy. Prhartcom ( talk) 18:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
It's rather odd, and a violation of LEAD, that we don't mention any reactions in the lead. We should, and this reaction should be included. It would be logical to make this content the last paragraph. -- -- {{u| BullRangifer}} { Talk } 20:26, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
As far as keeping the article "neutral", that's a misunderstanding of NPOV and WEIGHT. All kinds of POV must be documented, and biased sources should be used. The mainstream view is that she is not doing her duty, so the due weight of the article should read in favor of the mainstream view. We must present that balance, because that is the balance found in RS. That should be the impression received by readers. NPOV means that we, as editors, don't insert our own unsourced opinions, or use censorship to hide views we don't like. NPOV does not mean "neutral" or neutered content, nor does it mean a false balance between opposing POV. -- -- {{u| BullRangifer}} { Talk } 23:25, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
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Oops! You're right. Fixed. Thanks for pointing that out. Let's take a look at what we agree/disagree about:
What policy dictates that we cannot document and include "non-neutral" reaction[s] or facts in an article or lead? I think you're still misinterpreting NPOV, but if you're referring to some new policy, I'd like to see it, because this would mean the radical neutering of millions of articles here. We could no longer document "the sum total of human knowledge", and we'd be violating NPOV by exercising censorship of any non-neutral opinions, facts, or sources in an article.
NPOV refers to editorial, not content, neutrality (philosophy). Wikipedia, represented by how its editors create content, must remain neutral, IOW it must not have any "declared or intentional bias". The only bias we are required to have is to favor reliable sources, which often means the mainstream POV.
If we do it right and distribute due weight appropriately (more here, and less there), readers should sense that the article has a bias. It must not come from editors, but from the sources, and readers should sense that the mainstream and best sources have an opinion on the subject, one which is disputed by a minority fringe whose opinions are currently considered incorrect. That sensation of bias will obviously offend fringe believers. We see this all the time at articles on fringe subjects, such as homeopathy, chiropractic, and psychics. Believers don't like our articles, so we must be doing something right.
The POV in the content we include must be presented "as it was" in the sources, without our interference. We must not neutralize the points of view, neither by hiding or censoring them, nor by giving them more weight (undue) than they have in the sources. There are some types of articles where POV is not a problem, but most articles include POV, and we must present them.
It appears to me that your objections and whole premise of "No POV" (the heading above) rests on a false foundation, a misunderstanding of NPOV. Am I wrong? Am I missing something here? -- {{u| BullRangifer}} { Talk } 03:37, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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05:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC)I have commented out the ArbCom warning tag and NotaForum warning tag, as things are well calmed down here. Should the Kim Davis situation flare back up again, they can easily be restored, but I think for clarity sake, we can dispense with at least a couple of headers from the large header farm. Safiel ( talk) 02:19, 30 October 2015 (UTC) .
I have submitted a humble request to the WP:GUILD of Copy editors for this article. In around a month, the article will have yet another improvement. Prhartcom ( talk) 03:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Update: I am appreciative of the work of Guild editor Twofingered Typist of the Guild, who has completed their copy editing of this article. Their message to me and my reply to them is at my talk page: User talk:Prhartcom#Kim_Davis_(county_clerk). Prhartcom ( talk) 03:06, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
For those of you who still think Kim Davis is not sufficiently notable to warrant having a dedicated biography on WP, how do you reconcile that with the fact that she is one out of only 59 nominees for Time's Person of the Year for 2015? Out of over 7 billion people on this planet, 59 have been chosen as nominees for the person who shaped the world more than anyone else, and Kim Davis was one of those 59. And yet she shouldn't have a biography on Wikipedia? Really? This is taking WP:1E and WP:PSEUDO way too far, folks. -- В²C ☎ 17:58, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
More importantly, you are holding this biography to standards to which no other biography is held. We have countless biographies with even less "tacked-on biographical info" than this one, but you don't insist they not exist. Why are you picking on this one?
Prhartcom, it's not just one event. There are at least these events, all of which were covered separately in reliable sources:
Kim Davis was absolutely central to each of the events listed above, and the significance of most of the events was high enough to attract nationwide and even worldwide news coverage. The fact that the community has had trouble coming up with a good "event" title is because there is no one event: there is a series of events all of which concern Kim Davis. It only makes sense to make the article about her and her involvement in these events, just like the article is currently written, and title it accordingly, with her name, undisambiguated per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. -- В²C ☎ 02:30, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Winkelvi, to answer your valid question, Born2cycle's goal on Wikipedia is to rename mis-named articles (see User:Born2cycle#Great RM decisions of his).
Born2cycle, please listen carefully. This discussion that you are so adamant about having, which Winkelvi (probably wearily) wants to know why you're having it, has been discussed before by all of us (except you) in the archive pages long before you ever showed up. Seriously. You missed it. You're late to the party. We talked ourselves to death for weeks and when the dust settled, nothing was decided. The only thing we all accomplished was the realization that nothing would ever be accomplished: there was not going to be any consensus anytime soon—the article must stay one single article, structured and named the way it currently is. Meanwhile, some of us were trying to improve the article at the same time. Then you showed up, full of vim and vigor, clueless about those weeks of discussion, demanding to talk about it again. Dude, just read the archives. Ivanvector has spoken sensibly in the paragraph above (starting with "What's wrong with it ...") and so has BullRangifer. Even Jimbo Wales weighed in at one point (he agreed that Davis experienced only one event and that this article was only a pseudo-biography). Suggestion to you sir: Type in the article space instead of the article talk space and make this article even better for our readers. Prhartcom ( talk) 16:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I don't think there's any disagreement here that this controversy is currently or universally the primary topic for Kim Davis; that is to say that a reader who comes to Wikipedia and types "kim davis" into the search box is probably looking for the information in this article, and not one of the other Kims Davis. As such, it's standard practice ( WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT) to move Kim Davis out to Kim Davis (disambiguation), and create a new redirect at Kim Davis targeting this article. That doesn't settle the naming dispute for this article, but it improves the situation overall.
I've been waiting on this for the latest move review to close, but that seems like it could still carry on for a while, and I'm going offline for a few days anyway so I'll just leave this here and you guys can talk amongst yourselves. Happy Thanksgiving! Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 16:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
David Ermold himself, one of the first to be denied a marriage license by Davis, has added a paragraph to this article here, describing how he and his partner were denied their license as reported in a viral video at the time, providing a few inappropriate references such as YouTube video and primary sources. I will be editing this down, possibly removing it.
Unrelated, another new paragraph was added, a single sentence, stating that NPR listed Davis' visit with the pope as one of it's most read stories, including a reader's comment. This is trivia and is not needed in the article. I will be editing/removing this as well.
Comments would be appreciated below. Prhartcom ( talk) 22:47, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Why does this article mention Kim Davis' marriage history outside of the section called 'personal life'. Since this is often quoted by liberals to minimize her religious beliefs, the inclusion in the introduction smacks of bias. Other Wikipedia articles do not state marriage history in the introduction and this should be no different. Recommend removal of the marriage history from the introduction (since it is not a substantive biographical introduction or a Neutrality Dispute tag should be placed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.17.152.172 ( talk) 02:37, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
These links might be useful references for this article: • Sbmeirow • Talk • 12:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
No matter what Pope Francis thinks of the Kim Davis question he openly supported the right to conscience objection. There seems to be an attempt to erase this from the article and to give it a bias. There are plenty of RS that show it. So, the John Allen quote makes all sense. This is one of the many RS about his support for conscience objection. [14] 78.29.157.211 ( talk) 23:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Father Federico Lombardi words don't mean that Pope Francis didn't knew who was Kim Davis, her case or gave her words of encouragement. The question is that it is uncertain if she had the right to act that way in regard to the "right to consciencious objection", that was granted afterwards by the new Republican Governor, Matt Bevin, who supported her case. No, its not a minor piece of information. Its liberal media who tended to minimize it, and liberal media in the United States, like one of the sources given, the Los Angeles Times, criticized a lot Pope Francis for his meeting with Kim Davis. You simply are following a liberal bias to downplay the meaning of the meeting. 78.29.157.211 ( talk) 17:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Bumping thread. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 16:04, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 9 November 2015. The result of the move review was closure endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: No consensus - after 6 days of inactivity on this discussion and a clear division in application of policy, there is no indication we'll be able to find consensus any time soon on this issue. ( non-admin closure) Tiggerjay ( talk) 22:29, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There are two other uses of Kim Davis on Wikipedia.
There is no comparison. This Kim Davis article got over 300,000 views in September, and thus clearly meets the PRIMARYTOPIC criteria: "highly likely — much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined — to be the topic sought when a reader searches for" Kim Davis. Granted the number of views are likely to subside in the future, but we don't have a WP:CRYSTALBALL, neither of the other uses has ever come close to this amount of notoriety, and the criteria is likely to apply for a long time into the future, if not forever. There is certainly no justification for disambiguating this title at this time. Some may argue that the parenthetic description is necessary for WP:PRECISION, but, again, this is exactly the type of situation where PRIMARYTOPIC applies. В²C ☎ 20:50, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Updated to be a multi-move to reflect move of dab page too В²C ☎ 23:37, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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15:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)*Oppose, now drop the stick — This situation on Wikipedia is just getting childish. We already just finished a RM discussion, and now we are opening another one? Can't we just drop the stick and do something more productive than fight over the name of the article? I am new here, so please excuse me for sounding rude, but I think there is bigger issues we face here on Wikipedia. I oppose moving this page per TheRedPenOfDoom. Thank ya'all.
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::Thank you for your common sense Parsecboy.
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@ Safiel: I noticed that you removed the bump code but only just now after I restored it. Oops. As long as the move review drags on I think it would be best to leave the discussion here. However if you think or if everyone thinks that it's better off in the archive then please feel free to revert me, but then I suggest that the banner link up top be corrected to point to the archive. Cheers. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 16:09, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Bumping thread. Ivanvector 🍁 ( talk) 16:04, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Puzzled by the RM closing above, I left an inquiry on the closer's page [15], but there has been no response. I know of no policy that allows ignoring WP:PRIMARYTOPIC because that determination might change in the future, especially when all the other uses of the name in question are so obscure, no such policy was cited by those in opposition, and yet the closer claims "a clear division in application of policy".
Puzzling closing explanation by a non-admin closer, and no response to inquiry about their reasoning. Anyone else think this should go to move review? -- В²C ☎ 17:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
The point is: whether the article should have a biographical title or not is a separate question from what the title should be given that it is a biographical title. For better or for worse, the article currently has a biographical title. That ship has sailed, at least for the time being, per the previous discussions. So, given that the article is to have a biographical title, at least for now, the only question raised by this proposal is whether that biographical title should be Kim Davis or Kim Davis (county clerk). Given the consensus view that the subject of this article is the primary topic for Kim Davis, the article should be moved. -- В²C ☎ 00:14, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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I have just added more documentation to the COI template above regarding the directly involved COI editors: David Ermold and David Moore ( User:DavidErmold; this editor was contacted here) and James Yates and William Smith Jr. ( User:Someoneyouarenot; this editor was never contacted). FYI, I'll be cutting some or much of this added information for the betterment of the article. Prhartcom ( talk) 02:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Update: This editing is complete. Prhartcom ( talk) 21:20, 7 April 2016 (UTC)