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This seems contradictory: "Rose was the first person killed by the East Pittsburgh Police Department since at least 2015. It also said that in that time, 23 percent of those killed by police officers, and 36 percent of all unarmed persons killed, had been black." Had people been killed during the time or not? — Preceding
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2timepdx (
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02:34, 24 June 2018 (UTC)reply
Z. Hester has been charged with attempted homicide, which is attempted murder. He is being charged with some other offences, in addition. — Preceding
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178.87.6.182 (
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15:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)reply
FYI.
Allegheny County District Attorney Steve Zappala held a news conference to announce the indictment of Officer Rosfeld. Zappala revealed several facts which do not appear in this article, which are pertinent, and could be included.
1) No one was killed in the earlier drive-by shooting.
2) The two guns found in the car were a 9 mm Glock pistol and a .40 Glock pistol.
3) The empty 9 mm magazine found in Antwon Rose's pocket fit the 9 mm Glock pistol found in the car.
4) Antwon Rose was riding in the front seat of the car during the drive-by shooting.
5) Both pistols were found under the passenger-side front seat.
6) The 9 mm pistol was towards the front of the seat, accessible to the front passenger.
7) The .40 pistol was towards the rear of the seat, accessible to the rear passenger, Hester.
8) Hester is 17, but is being charged as an adult.
9) At the scene of the drive-by shooting, a man in a red shirt returned fire with a .45-caliber pistol, striking the fleeing car.
I didn't add any of the above facts to the article because I don't know how to cite the news conference. Perhaps someone could find a video of the news conference, confirm my recollections, and edit the the article accordingly, with the correct citation. Thanks
Lyttle-Wight (
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18:45, 1 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Thanks. Is this news conference, with all these details, reported in a reliable source? Maybe the District Attorney's office issued a formal written statement?
Martinevans123 (
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19:05, 1 July 2018 (UTC)reply
I do think some of this material is covered by reliable sources: in particular I'd refer to this article
[1] that's already cited in the "indictments" section. -
Darouet (
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21:08, 1 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Why, nearly 2 years after being brought up in this "Talk" page, were none of the above details (if accurate) added to the article--especially that someone returned fire (which would explain the bullet holes in the car door)?
173.88.246.138 (
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03:26, 17 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Not all of the information provided is necessarily
WP:DUE. Bullet holes being observed after the drive by shooting imply the car was shot at, but feel free to add a sentence about it if you feel that it’s necessary. Just remember to properly cite the RS
Anon0098 (
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03:46, 17 June 2020 (UTC)reply
unrelated facts
this article is named "Shooting of Antwon Rose". But it contains numerous claims and assertions that are not relevant for that shooting, namely all the details relating to the question if and how Rose earlier that day participated in a drive-by shooting. None of that has any bearing on Rose's murder, and the ample inclusion suggests to me that it is intended to somehow justify that murder. This should be cut from the article, and the article should focus on the actual shooting of Rose.
Wefa (
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18:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)reply
If it was days before then it would be irrelevant, but the participation in the drive-by shooting ten minutes prior is what lead up to the shooting of Rose, so it is necessary in order to put it into context. Explaining the situation does not amount to justification
Anon0098 (
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22:27, 23 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Agreed 100% with Anon0098. We cannot leave out the drive-by; Officer Rosfeld pulled the car over because it matched the description of (and was in fact) the car used in a drive-by. See, for example the "Shooting of Michael Brown" page, where his theft of cigarillos is included.
Elle Kpyros (
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23:07, 23 March 2019 (UTC)reply
The earlier events are highly relevant, but their prominent mention in the first sentence is non-neutral and amounts to POV-pushing. It also creates an absurd initial run-on sentence at the article's very start. -
Darouet (
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02:50, 24 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I reorganized it to put the drive-by shooting in its own section. Details about it were scattered throughout the page so it is organized better this way anyways
Anon0098 (
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06:43, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Regarding Recent Changes
I understand there have been changes in the structure of this article since the one I reverted it to. However, I reverted the article to the last legible format. There were open links in the middle of the text and various other problems. Add to this, change the structure, or delete unnecessary content. But make sure it is presentable.
Anon0098 (
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04:37, 27 March 2019 (UTC)reply
Getting into the details of the gunshot residue and the presence of a magazine and a drive-by shooting, etc... is not supposed to be in the Lede. The narrative starts out with a Police Officer and a teenager. One was doing one thing and the other was doing another thing, and eventually the Police Officer shot the teenager. That's the Lede. You can explain all the details in the body where they belong.
68.206.248.178 (
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22:55, 8 August 2021 (UTC)reply