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Proposal: Add victim names to first paragraph.
(Note this section was deleted at some point. I'm adding it back because I think removing it was not in keeping with Talk page guidelines. Above is concrete proposal to react to. Below is original section text)
“36 -year-old Joseph Rosenbaum, of Kenosha, and 26-year-old Anthony Huber, of Silver Lake, Wisconsin were killed by a young man from out of state.” Or similar should appear in the first paragraph.
~~In my opinion this article currently fails the worst criticism of dehumanizing black lives and describing black and white victims in completely different terms.
Is there a Wikipedia policy/goal of treating white and black people equally.~~
(End previous comment)
Note: The victims were white, but I think the question still stands about the weight of victims names vs perpetrator?
Dw31415 ( talk) 14:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
I've just rolled back an edit by IP user @ 92.220.250.130 which described the event as "self defence" in the lede. I see there has been discussion of this topic most recently in February, and from my read of it no consensus was reached to use such language.
I rolled this back with AGF but upon further review of the user's edit history it seems they are engaging in edit warring on this page, and other non-constructive edits pushing a political agenda elsewhere.
In any case I will provide the opportunity to debate this further here, though I don't have the energy to engage with this any further myself. I will just offer this take before stepping away: I think it would be highly unusual for any reputable media org. to describe an action that was argued in court as "self defense" with no qualifiers, regardless of the legal finding. If anyone can provide WP:RS sources where this case has been described as such please do share. I would say it is appropriate to mention the trial outcome in the first paragraph, but exactly what wording is suitable I will leave to the legal buffs. Walkersam ( talk) 21:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Grosskreutz changed his name to "Paul Prediger" after the trial. The article only says "Paul Prediger" in the intro and in a footnote mentioning he changed his name. It uses "Grosskreutz" everywhere else, which reads in a pretty confusing way. I say go with "Grosskreutz" throughout the article - he was Grosskreutz at the time and everyone who remembers the trial knows him as "Gaige Grosskreutz" and only mention the name change in some kind of aftermath section. Pabst blue ribbon led zeppelin ( talk) 01:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
The fact that Joseph Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender, and the fact that the judge ruled that this was irrelevant to the case and therefore could not be brought up by the defense was recently removed from the "Kyle Rittenhouse-Pretrial Rulings" section. I am concerned that it was not appropriate to remove this pre-trial ruling, as it may negatively effect the neutral point of view of the article. The other pre-trial rulings that benefitted Kyle Rittenhouse (not allowing the deceased to be called "victims"/not allowing to mention the proud boy meeting) were left in. Removing a pre-trial ruling that benefits the prosecution and leaving in the pre-trial rulings that benefit the defense inaccurately paints a picture that the Judge only made pre-trial rulings that benefitted the defense. 2603:7080:402:D900:E04D:710B:17D6:C13C ( talk) 17:33, 3 July 2024 (UTC)