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There are lately two differing conventions on where to place the pre-nominal "Sir" in biographical infoboxes. The first convention (which used to be more prevalent) is to put it in |honorific_prefix=
, but a second convention (which has been become more widely used) is to put it immediately before the person's name in |name=
. Given that Starmer is probably the most well-known/consequential politician with a knighthood at the moment, this is probably a good time to discuss this in relation to this article's infobox. Personally, I reckon that we should put it in |name=
, since I think it looks slightly jarring to have "
The Right Honourable" linked but "Sir" unlinked, and it matches the practice of bolding "Sir" in the lead. —
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Do not put honorifics or alternative names in this parameter. There are separate parameters for these things, covered below.-- DeFacto ( talk). 19:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Why does the google search page flag for this article read" "Learn about Keir Starmer, the leader of the Labour Party and the Opposition in the UK Parliament. Find out his personal details, education, political positions, and his height (1.83 m or 6 ft 0 in)."- when the consensus seems to be that he is 5ft 8 ½ (174 cm)? I note there appears to be no mention at all of his height in the article, which is not an issue. Is this merely a google matter? JF42 ( talk) 10:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
In the audio of his name it isn't pronounced /ˈkɪər/ but /ˈkɪjə/ Vabadus91 ( talk) 17:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
The article says Starmer "was appointed Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath (KCB) by Charles, Prince of Wales in the 2014 New Year Honours for services to law and criminal justice. [1]" Is this correct?
If you look in the Honours list article, it explicitly says that he was appointed by the Queen. If you check the citation given, it is about honorary doctorates rather than knighthood. Is it possible, that the appointment was by the Queen, but that the actually knighting took place in a ceremony where the then Prince of Wales was presiding? OJH ( talk) 08:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
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Andrew Sullivan is libertarian, not conservative. -- 95.24.79.236 ( talk) 04:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
In the infobox, we need to remove "Prime Minister of the United Kingdom" or not. Please decide to keep or not. MAL MALDIVE ( talk) 06:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please add to his legal career section the following:
Starmer represented Croatia at the genocide hearings at the International Court of Justice in The Hague in 2014, arguing that Serbia wanted to seize a third of Croatian territory during the 1990s war and eradicate the Croatian population. /Ivanovic, Josip (7 March 2014). "Serbia 'Tried to Eradicate Croatian Population'". Balkan Transitional Justice.
SoupePrimordiale ( talk) 11:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Can this be fixed in the infobox? The Leader of the Labour Party is not a shadow portfolio as Labour are the governing party. ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter ( talk) 11:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Can you guys format the following text to look more formal, grammatically correct, and easy and quick to read?
"Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB, KC (/ˈkɪər/ ⓘ; born 2 September 1962) is a British politician and is the current Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and has served as Leader of the Labour Party since 2020."
I suggest we change it to this:
Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB, KC (/ˈkɪər/ ⓘ; born 2 September 1962) is a British politician who is currently serving as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom since 2024 and as Leader of the Labour Party since 2020.
Thank you. Sratcao42 ( talk) 12:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
"This landslide victory was similar to the one achieved by Tony Blair at the 1997 general election, the last time a Labour opposition ousted a Conservative government." 121.99.69.54 ( talk) 13:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Buckleyc ( talk) 13:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Last paragraph, 1st sentence:
In July 2024, Starmer led Labour to a landslide victory in the 2024 general election, ending fourteen years of Conservative rule. He succeeded Sunak as prime minister later that day.
"later that day" has no reference date. Suggest change sentence to:
On 4th July 2024, Starmer led Labour to a landslide victory in the 2024 general election, ending fourteen years of Conservative rule. He succeeded Sunak as prime minister the following day.
PS. Not suggested a change to a locked article, so apologies if this is the wrong format. Alan uk2 ( talk) 14:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hello,i would like to update the photo of kier starmer as i believe it needs to be updated to a more recent date, this is why to day i am requesting a edit request.
Thank you. buran 1314. BURAN 1314 ( talk) 15:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Also, per MOS:LEADCITE, why are there so many refs in the lead, when all this is cited in the article body? Perhaps ref. the description of 'landslide'—since it's potentially a WP:WTW—but the remainder should either be in the article itself and therefore not need citing here or removed from the lead in its entirety (the stuff about union supporters, 2023 articles etc). 2.28.124.91 ( talk) 16:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)In July 2024, Starmer led Labour to a landslide victory in the 2024 general election, ending fourteen years of Conservative government. He succeeded Rishi Sunak as prime minister on 5 July 2024.
Why are the names of his children omitted? The information is publicly available via an easily citeable source - the General Register Office Birth Index. 146.200.29.183 ( talk) 16:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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The current image is nominated for deletion so I request to update the image to File:KeirStarmerOfficialPortrait.jpeg Parabelleum ( talk) 19:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Was his father really a toolmaker? I know it says so and there's a citation. But how are we really to know for sure that his father made tools for a living? 184.148.141.44 ( talk) 02:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with how UK birth places are supposed to be stylized on the infobox but why isn't it Southwark, London, England or Southwark, London, England? Futuremaineretiree ( talk) 02:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
The phrase "who has served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom since 2024" implies that 2024 is in the past, whereas it is not. Nearly six months remain until it will be, so I suggest that the wording here be modified, possibly to: "[...] is a British politician and barrister who was elected as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom in 2024. He has been Leader of the Labour Party since 2020 and served as Leader of the Opposition from 2020 to 2024." Bret Sterling ( talk) 14:41, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Is that really needed?
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I'm under the opinion that this should remain. As there's been an overwhelming amount of reliable sources stating that it's a notable part of his term as the Leader of the Labour Party.
There also appeared to be an agreement to include this awhile back. Should it remain? KlayCax ( talk) 23:45, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Please add that he's loosely from Anglican background so that antisemite can stop making conspiracies. Here's source: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/31/the-guardian-view-on-labour-doing-god-faith-communities-can-play-a-part-in-national-renewal 166.181.82.159 ( talk) 12:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Please change "since 2024" to "following elections in 2024". As previously observed, "since 2024" implies that 2024 was in the past whereas it is not. Bret Sterling ( talk) 17:24, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add a link to “Rishi Sunak” to the page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rishi_Sunak under the “Prime Ministers” section under the heading “Leader of the Opposition” 2A00:23EE:1158:771A:40BF:CB98:3C49:F5F5 ( talk) 01:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Isnt Kier Starmer technically "The Right Honourable and Learned" rather than just "Right Honourable" on the account of him being a barrister and KC? Dbainsford ( talk) 11:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
We don't need to mention the fact he previously didn't call for a ceasefire in the lead. It's already mentioned that he didn't call for one in the political positions section on this article, and the sub-article for his political positions offers two paragraphs worth of text about his Gaza views. ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter ( talk) 12:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
The transgender rights section under political positions seems kinda POV. I don't think it's needed. 81.78.155.45 ( talk) 13:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
How is correcting stating that Starmer has made many pro comments about the LGBT+ community and actually expanding on what he said about transgender rights, whitewashing to you, @ Helper201?
Please excuse me, I am studying poltics & I've been keeping an eye on this page over the past few days.
This version was much more stable and better. ShinegemsAD ( talk) 13:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
From my understanding, including aspects of a title in the lede (not the infobox) does not conform to other articles and thus may lack careful consideration. For example, articles on academics include merely their name (e.g. John Smith) rather than with honorary titles, like: Dr John Smith or John Smith, Ph.D (despite presenting this way in formal reports; Romanos et al., 2017). I am unaware of any guidelines outlining exceptions for Sirs.
Additionally, the placement of the honorific in the infobox is being repeatedly contested in which it is excluded or exchanged between the title and honorific sections. In my opinion, a consensus should be reached upon which an invisible comment in the infobox is added to preclude further issues.
Note that the infobox title is also used to indicate the most colloquial as opposed to formal references to the individual. For example, the Jacksepticeye article.
Димитрий Улянов Иванов ( talk) 23:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
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In the section under Jeremy Corbyns leadership, the text mentions Keir Starmers time as Secretary for Brexit, there is an error as ‘Appointed’ is spelt ‘Appinted’. TaiJarrett ( talk) 21:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Should Starmer's comments at the NATO summit on Palestinian statehood be added to the article? Support for the recongition of Palestinian statehood in potential opposition to the US and Israel as part of a peace process, as committed to in Labour manifesto, and affirmed as PM at a major international summit seems relevant to the premiership's foreign policy section.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-palestine-israel-usa-american-recognition/
He told journalists at the Nato summit that a ceasefire "needs to be a foot in the door for a process towards a two-state solution, a viable Palestinian state alongside a safe and secure Israel".
He said: "We don't have either of those at the moment. That is the process that we all should work on, we've been discussing it with colleagues here in bilaterals and recognising Palestine is part of that process.
"And part of that process is important, rather than the end of the process, because this is a right the Palestinian people have, it's not in the gift of anyone.
"And so far as our policy is concerned, I'll determine our policy, not follow anyone else."
SoThisIsPeter ( talk) 01:19, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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Add Skills England under domestic policy. Also, remove the random photo of Rishi Sunak under the 2024 election. 2A0A:EF40:EFE:5801:C84D:303:AECF:A0AA ( talk) 15:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)