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Please cease and desist from removing the
Notability template without reasonable justification
Please cease and desist from removing the
Notability template from
Kate Novak, an article which does not have any
reliable secondary sources. There is no reasonable justification for removing the template which was put there to address this problem. The reason why I ask you to do this in the strongest possible terms is that you appear to be
POV pushing, as the explanations for removing the template are not supported by the notability guideline
WP:BIO and
WP:RS which applies to this topic. Unless you adding reliable secondary sources to the article, I would be grateful if you would restore the template immediately. --
Gavin Collins (
talk)
09:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Gavin.collins - Happy to leave the notability template until more information can be found. I'm not too sure on the cease and desist order you are putting out since I have only reverted it once? Again once the notability of Azure Bonds is finalised will being the author also establish notability? --
Stextc (
talk)
23:44, 15 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Thank you for respecting my edits. Unfortunately, more than one editor (and one vandal) have not accepted the rationale for the cleanup template being placed on this article, despite the fact that none of them have added any sources to support their POV. Hopefully
reliable secondary sources will be added and the template removed when appropriate. --
Gavin Collins (
talk)
16:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)reply
I've added an additional two sources: pen-paper.net, an RPG database, and MobyGames, a respected computer games database. I've also done a bit of cleanup on the article. Note that having written six books with ISBNs and cataloging in the Library of Congress should constitute notability.
Snuppy23:17, 18 February 2008 (UTC)reply
"Database sources...are not considered credible since they are, like wikis, mass-edited with little oversight. Additionally, these databases have low, wide-sweeping generic standards of inclusion"
I therefore conclude that the removal of the notability template is not warranted at this time, and request that the notability template be restored immediately until such time as reliable secondary sources are found which discuss the subject in detail. The restoration of the template will have the benefit of alerting other editors that secondary sources need to be added, and in the long term will be of benefit to the article. --
Gavin Collins (
talk)
08:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)reply
I've just looked this all over and agree that there is still a serious notability issue. The lightweight source are problematic and
[1] and
[2] are practically the same text. The first identifies itself as twenty years old. None of the sources on offer amount to reliable sources. Cheers,
Jack Merridew11:04, 19 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Part of the problem is that, as you note, the first text identifies itself as twenty years old. Much of this author's work was created well before the widespread usage of the WWW, and thus much of her work was referenced in magazines that have not been digitized. Do you have any suggestions on how to note this and add it to the article?
Snuppy13:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)reply
Jeff Grubb on his wife's return to writing after a long break and his wife's actress mother
If you are trying to track down the recent history of Kate Novak, you may want to read
The Blog Goes Ever On and On from
Jeff Grubb's blog. In the blog, Jeff Grubb comments that in 2005, his wife had a short story published and that was the first thing she had had published in a long time.