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The term jungle is very much used in popular parlance. The correct term is Rainforest, although Tropical forest can also be used. The Jungle Book by Rudyard Kipling perpetuates the use of the word. I have amended the article. Peter Shearan 09:34, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
No, the correct term is not rainforest—it's jungle. I've often wondered what insidious plan lurks behind the attempt to do away with the word jungle. Probably some sort of mulitcultural nonsense. You fail. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.44 ( talk) 22:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
One solution to the back and forth arguments is to just omit the origin of the word. That way everyone will be happy. You guys agree? Otherwise the changes will go on and on forever.
Accuracy and not everyone-will-be-happy must be the primary premise of Wikipedia writers. By the way, you must sign your name. Type four consecutive ~ marks. 4.131.34.64 21:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I only just noticed this "secret war" of sorts. People seem to be switching the word's etymological origin from Sanskrit to Persian to Sanskrit left and right! What appalls me is that these users do not leave their reasoning on the Talk page and rarely even comment their changes in the page history. This is ridiculously un-Wikipedian behavior! So I took to effort to do the research for all of us. Merrian-Webster Online dictionary:
Main Entry: jun·gle Pronunciation: 'j&[ng]-g&l Function: noun Usage: often attributive Etymology: Hindi jangal & Urdu jangal forest, from Sanskrit jangala desert region 1 a : an impenetrable thicket or tangled mass of tropical vegetation b : a tract overgrown with thickets or masses of vegetation 2 : a hobo camp 3 a (1) : a confused or disordered mass of objects : JUMBLE (2) : something that baffles or frustrates by its tangled or complex character : MAZE <the jungle of housing laws -- Bernard Taper> b : a place of ruthless struggle for survival <the city is a jungle where no one is safe after dark -- Stuart Chase> 4 : electronic dance music that combines elements of techno, reggae, and hip-hop and is marked especially by an extremely fast beat
So indeed the word originated from Sanskrit. Anything otherwise would be original research which is unacceptable on Wikipedia. If, however, the research is backed by a peer-reviewed source, be sure to provide the link on the Talk page before posting. And for pete's sake, please SIGN your comments. 4.131.32.64 15:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
UTC, you are the guy who keeps posting Sanskrit. Stop acting like you are impartial. Untill further investigation NEITHER Persian nor Sunkist or Sanskrit may be used. -Johnny Dark
Sign your name properly genius! And no, I am not "UTC." UTC represents the time standard! 4.131.34.64 21:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
It is 'jangal' as is in Persian language. Most words in Sanskrit are Persian origin after the Persian conquest of Indian subcontinent. (Asghar Khayat) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.50.129 ( talk) 06:34, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
It reads like an essay. I don't see that there's much lost by removing it altogether. Junes 17:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree, but don't have the courage to remove it myself. -D
The whole thing seems biased, in my opinion anyway, so I'll remove it.
The problem with this section of the article is that it's unnecessary and doesn't make sense. Like it was mentioned above, it reads like an essay, not an encyclopedia article. It's not neutral. And, most importantly, it's not necessary. At all. You could have a perfectly good, better, actually, jungle article without it. I don't know who keeps putting it back, or why, but it needs to be removed.
The problem was that the word itself was POV, and I added the goddamn "essay" to clarify the goshdarn meaning of the goshdarn word. Then, the WikiLiberaceJugend manurecanned the contribution because it made too much sense. Heck with it. You're creating a monstrosity of white boy and neo-colonialist bias. See you to court.
The statement: "Using this word to refer to a dense forest in a hot climate is nowadays considered colonialist, and such a forest must be called a rainforest even when the use of the latter term is scientifically inaccurate." does not seem neutral to me, saying it "must" be referred to as a rainforest even when the term is inaccurate? The rest of the article does not come across much better.
Somebody edited the picture. Please change it back.
"...a forest characterised by extensive biodiversity and densely tangled plants such as trees, vines, grasses, and also various roses..." roses? — Pengo 04:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
what types of roses are in the jungle?
where is the jungles locatied
-dls oboe rocks
When I checked at school, this page was vandalised. I checked on my home computer, and wasn't. What happened? Pacguy19 21:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
What i think it is is that your school computer might be a little you know jinky!!!!!!!!!!!
The vandalised version of this page said something about Burger King.
Yeah, like Burger King imports a significant portion of their beef from former rainforest land that won't hold sugarcane anymore so they graze cattle until its desertified. Cutting down the rainforest majorly blows.
Anywho, I took the liberty to insert that human activity is probably directly related to the impenetrability found at the edge of the jungle, Ill toy with a few different wordings, but I dont know if I can make it blend in well with the choppy flow of the prose. heh heh -Rudy Hasspacher
This article really needs alot more done. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ( Ταλκ) 17:45, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Everyone who cares about the planet:
This article needs to state more about how evil villains are destroying the rainforests and how that we must become sustainable by acting like animals, not destroying them. Inthejunglethedeepdarkjungle ( talk)
There are some issues requiring attention. First, the word origins I believe should include Urdu and its closely related cousin Hindi. That is where the word as it is now used spread from. Its earlier origins as stated are Sanskirt. If everyone wants to go back to the original roots of words in common usage on the Indian subcontinent, it will all become sanskirt or persian and the arabic that came through the persian. The modern languages that spread the words, "jungle" for example, would not even be mentioned. This is not appropriate. Moreover, it is the definition in Urdu (and Hindi) that is now common usage, not the original sankirt which according to the previous version of the article included "desert" - clearly not what we call jungle today.
Second, the article as it stood was unclear in several places. It gave one meaning at first and then reverted to some "technical" meaning which was almost contradictory with the first. That is, the original meaning was a thick forest teaming with animals etc. and the later meaning was a bunch of low thorny shrubs outside the rain forest. I have taken a shot at fixing it, but it still may not be right. I have been careful to edit minimally.
Is this section really needed? There were some quite obscure references to hobo's and such which I really didn't think belonged here, so I have removed the sentence. It is perahps ok to leave the "law of the jungle" in there becsuse it is commom usage and is related to the meaning of the juncle.
This article is now fairly complete. Ths subject is not one that requires much more - there are some references added and the rest does not really need references, but there is room for adding a couple if someone wants to do this. Most of the information in the article is generic. There is such a thing as over referencing - where every sentence is refenced.
I suggest we leave it alone and move on to other words, unless there are factual problems, in which case please correct and describe in the discussion.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.201.107 ( talk) 14:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
I propose a merge of the article to Forest as (as described in article) a jungle is basicaly a wet forest in a tropical zone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.49.224 ( talk) 07:09, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
My vote is not to merge. A "jungle" is more than just a forest. It has a connotation of an environment that is teeming with life in which the "forest" is the foundation on which the other living things play their roles. I would recommend leaving it as a separate article but provide links to "forest" and vice versa. Even on the Indian subcontinent where the word originates, there are "Forest Officers" not "Jungle Officers". There is a difference in the meaning and I believe it is the more encompassing environment that jungle connotes. If someone seconds this, I could add this aspect into the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.201.107 ( talk) 07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Then why is there a tab at the top of both articles on "jungle" and "forest" to merge. If the discussion is dead, please remove the tags.
I noticed the introduction defines jungle but fails to provide a source. Lastitem ( talk) 21:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
A few years ago a Public Broadcasting Service (USA) documentary explained that a jungle consisted of thickets of dense shrubs and trees interspaced with grass and went on to explain how it was confused with, but NOT the same as, rainforest. This article gives a completely different meaning. I have never heard of this definition! Densest part of rainforest? What does that even mean? I am wondering if there are several (local or regional) meanings and that we must agree to disagree? Obviously, we need an authoratative definition. ALSO, I note there seems to be some confusion: a TROPICAL rainforest is one of several kinds of rainforest - places here seem to equate rainforest with tropical rainforest. Do you need references to temperate rainforests? (eg. NW Pacific coast of N. America) 71.31.149.224 ( talk) 22:21, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Isn't that a jungle too? TylerDurdenn ( talk) 15:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Because a Jungle is a variation of Tropical Rainforest should they be merged? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IGGY7735 ( talk • contribs) 02:44, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
That is something that the article should explore in a lot more detail in my opinion. Lastitem ( talk) 00:13, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
There are no references given as to what a jungle is or what field of study the term refers to. The article a little information on the etymology of the word and alternative uses of the word, but at no stage does it actually present any verifiable information on what the word primarily means. Without such basic information the article is essentially worthless.
At this stage, the article should probably just be deleted. I can;t see that it's providing any information at all beyond what a dictionary would provide. Mark Marathon ( talk) 08:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Most of this article is about the usage of the word "jungle", as opposed to actually talking about jungles. I propose that that content be moved to Wiktionary, the appropriate forum for discussing the word "jungle", or to an etymology section at Rainforest. Furthermore, this page should either redirect to rainforest or tropical rainforest, or become a disambiguation page between those two articles and Sinclair's The Jungle. This article itself repeatedly notes the historical change from preference for the word "jungle" to the word "rainforest", and while the linguistic study of that change is interesting and scholarly, it should not be the main focus of Jungle.
Unless someone can provide evidence that "jungle" is not merely a synonym for "rainforest" or "tropical rainforest", then a merge should be formally proposed. Andrew Keenan Richardson ( talk!) 18:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Does any one live there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.226.161.31 ( talk) 16:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
The lede currently states that "the nearest equivalent scientific term is probably monsoon and seasonal tropical forest". Is that not too restrictive? Surely the popular conception of a jungle would include Tropical rainforests as well - possibly even as the primary definition. Iapetus ( talk) 15:13, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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The word "jungle" itself carries connotations of untamed and uncontrollable nature and isolation from civilisation, along with the emotions that evokes: threat, confusion, powerlessness, disorientation and immobilisation.
@ Mark Marathon:, in what dialect of English does the verb "evoke" not need to agree with its subject? "The emotions" is plural so the verb "evoke" should be plural. – filelakeshoe ( t / c) 10:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
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The article needs a major section saying where the world’s jungles are. Loraof ( talk) 17:47, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
the idea of the urban jungle seems worth mentioning — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:7402:7701:981D:D378:4ED6:BF57 ( talk) 19:28, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
What about something else Some words And curiosities, conditions, animals and plants 178.255.168.56 ( talk) 15:54, 9 February 2022 (UTC)