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@ SugaShikaoFans: and @ 2001:4430:C0C2:3F4D:AD2A:243A:8BCC:222C: please discuss here on whether to include or exclude diff.-- Mvqr ( talk) 12:02, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
I believe that the information in the Jun Matsumoto page should include the information about his career in music, which includes his being a part of Arashi, which @ 2001:4430:C0C2:3F4D:AD2A:243A:8BCC:222C: continues to delete saying it is not in the IMDB. The IMDB page only includes the information about his acting career, and Jun Matsumoto is much more than just that. I was trying to keep the page as faithful and true as his life is, but this person continued reverting and erasing all information about his musical career. SugaShikaoFans ( talk) 12:12, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
suzuuu - Hello there, I just want to add on that solely relying on one webpage/source (in this situation, IMDB) that focuses on only one topic (in this situation, filmography) is highly unfavorable, as any information regardless if it is biography or not should consider multiple aspects from multiple credible sources. In the case of the Jun Matsumoto page, through the page editing history, there had been multiple arguments citing the same reason of the page IMBD does not state Matsumoto's musical career and such. Again, official and credible resources on Jun Matsumoto's musical career (such as Johnny's Net being a source from the agency he is under, and JStorm being a music label Arashi is under) are widely available but are disregarded.
Upon further investigation on the editing history, the last time the Jun Matsumoto page was in a condition were it states his musical career was at 07:22, 19 January 2021. The first steps of the disregarding of his musical career started way from 06:25, 16 February 2021. The current state/quality of the Jun Matsumoto stage is very poor, as the information is incomplete and unbalanced, introduction is not as straight-to-the-point as before, and the entire page is filled with syntax and/or grammatical mistakes.
Additionally, since the Wikipedia:Vandalism page do mention about IP addresses, I want to point out that multiple different IP addresses have same/similar editing motives, so it may not be efficient to only tag that one certain IP address.
Back to the topic on the state of the article, I think it would be more efficient to revert back to the version at 07:22, 19 January 2021. Please give me some thoughts about this decision before I make the revert. I sincerely apologize for all the details lost in the process, but I will try my best to add in more relevant details. If anything, the truth is that I have been thinking about correcting some terminology usages and updating sources (e.g. changing from "concertmaster" to "concert director" as "concertmaster" is a terminology used in violin/orchestra), but I did not expect the state of the page to be this chaotic!
- Suzu2309 ( talk) 00:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC) (slightly minor edit on 02:29, 19 August 2021 (UTC))
Hello there!
As mentioned above in "Recent edits", seeing the current state of the Jun Matsumoto page, I wish to revert the page back to the version at 07:22, 19 January 2021 (edit ID: 948116195), and make upgrades based from that version.
Firstly, regarding reverting back to the 948116195 version at 07:22, 19 January 2021, this is the last time when the article was at an acceptable quality. While some points presented lack adequate referencing (e.g. "He invented the moving stage in 2005"), the 948116195 version (and majority of the versions prior) was able to summarize the main aspect of Matsumoto's career in a straightforward and balanced manner that reflects himself; that he is a member of Arashi, best known work and award (very properly sourced here), summary of early career, and his success. However, the current version's introduction is messy, namely the lengthy and unproportionate amount of information on his acting career, which would be more appropriate in the career section. Additionally, some referencing used may borderline the qualification for link vandalism, as they use irrelevant sources, namely mentions of alternative TV series adaptation that does not have to do with Matsumoto's participation (e.g. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-04-06/kimi-wa-pet/tramps-like-us-manga-gets-korean-film). As for the body part, there is a revert war particularly on the 'Music career' going on during the time this talk is being made. Compared to the 948116195 version with "Although the majority of Matsumoto's solos for albums and concerts are written by Arashi's staff, he has contributed lyrics...", the more "deletion" version minimalizes the information typically with merely "majority of Matsumoto's solos for albums and concerts are written by Arashi's staff" and insufficient source, while the more "addition" version adds a considerable amount of details, but needs referencing. Overall, there are also multiple grammatical errors in the current version of the page compared to the 948116195 version.
In case it is allowed for the page to be reverted back to its adequate state which is the 948116195 version at 07:22, 19 January 2021, some more possible upgrades or changes from the version can be considered. In the introduction section, "He invented the moving stage in 2005" should either be moved to 'Career' but with proper references added, or deleted complete due to insufficient referencing. Additionally, the term "concertmaster" should be changed into "concert director" as concertmaster is a completely different terminology used in violin/orchestra. On the 'Music career' part, while the amount of detail in the current 'addition' side is highly appreciated, there should referencing done. If we were to completely disregard the 'addition' side and only kept whatever stated in 948116195 version, a possible way to expand from that version could be using information in this article about Matsumoto's involvement in concert production ( https://realsound.jp/2014/10/post-1446.html), and/or more observations in the credits for Arashi's discography (e.g. "La Familia," "Stay Gold," "Fight Song," etc.). Some information regarding Matsumoto's acting career that are written in the introduction may be moved to the 'Acting career' section, but with better referencing, and deletion of any biased statements if applicable.
To summarize, to best preserve the original adequate quality state, the page Jun Matsumoto should be reverted back to 07:22, 19 January 2021 (edit ID: 948116195) where it is able to transmit information effectively with proper sourcing and structuring. If there are wishes to upgrade the article, it would be through careful addition of information with sufficient relevant sources.
Thank you for going through my suggestion upon improving this page. - Suzu2309 suzuuu 07:32, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Tkcmgl12: Please discuss your reasoning for your edits here so a consensus can be reached with the other editors. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor ( talk) 18:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)