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The use of this name is rather confused in this article. The introduction states that Julio Inglesias Sr. is the grandfather of Julio Inglesias Jr., and indeed that section links to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_Iglesias,_Jr., his grandson who was born in 1973.
However, the section 'In the music of his son' refers to his son 'Julio Inglesias Jr.', and talks about a song recorded by him in 1972, a year before the birth of his grandson, the actual Julio Inglesias Jr. I have therefore changed this section and added a (second) link to his son's WP entry. I believe he is the person most would think of if the name 'Julio Inglesias' was mentioned anyway, so the Sr. and Jr. would be superfluous in this instance.
Matt Adore (
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02:52, 15 February 2012 (UTC)reply
ETA
This group has reliably been labelled a terrorist group, specifically the United Nations as well as several others.[1][2][3] "December 2001: The European Union declares Eta a terrorist organisation - the first time all 15 member governments have labelled Eta as such, in a significant diplomatic victory for the Spanish Government."[4] I will make the change in the article accordingly.
MartinezMD (
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15:54, 27 June 2020 (UTC)reply
MOS:TERRORIST is a words to watch guidance. In the case of ETA, it has been reliably sourced as I have already discussed in the preceding paragraph. if the UN, USA, and EU are not authorities on labeling terrorists, then who is? I've reverted back the change to terrorist and will add the citations in text.
MartinezMD (
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22:23, 27 June 2020 (UTC)reply
WP:NPOV and
WP:LABEL are pretty clear on this. See also the treatment in English language sources such as
Neutral does not mean equal weight. Numerous major nations of this world have designated ETA as a terrorist organization, and the ETA article itself has this in the lead. Why minimize the murders of almost 1000 people? And FDW777, I thought you meant inline citation not intext. I can certainly adjust that and wasn't trying to ignore you. Would it be inappropriate to add "classified as a
terrorist group by Spain, France,[1] the
United Kingdom,[2] the
United States,[3]Canada[4] and the
European Union.[5]" That is from the ETA article and apparently had plenty of scrutiny already.
MartinezMD (
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15:03, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
It would make for one ugly looking sentence, and were those designations in place in 1981? Considering the sentence is talking about a kidnapping and still says police anti-terrorism unit is there any real need to hammer home the point?
FDW777 (
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15:50, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Perhaps not. My intent was to be clear about the seriousness/danger of the group while also not using euphemism to describe them. Alternatively the sentence could add something briefer like, "labelled a terrorist group" with the refs. The tipping point on their designations started in 2003 but based on all their prior history as well.
MartinezMD (
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16:09, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
In the UK
they were proscribed in 2001 (see page 11), in the USA
October 1997, in Canada
April 2003, the EU irrelevant for 1981, the France reference appears to be simply repeating the EU list (it's even got the European Council press release right before the list). So the only possible 1981 designation in place out of the ones listed would have been Spain (or France, if it has its own list), which has no reference. But I really think it's an unnecessary point, obviously kidnapping is illegal, and there's the rescue by the anti-terrorist police. Nobody will read that and think ETA were boy scouts.
Also "
separatist" is not a euphemism for "terrorist", despite me replacing the latter with the former on this article, and repeated attempts to do the opposite on the ETA article. There are purely political separatists in many countries, it is a purely factual description of a group's goals. Their tactics and strategy are a different matter entirely of course.
FDW777 (
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20:17, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The euphemism here is calling ETA separatists when they have been employing terrorist actions (extortion, threats, kidnapping, killing innocents, etc). The Catalonian separatist movement, by contrast, is not terroristic. If the article retains the statement of rescue by anti-terrorism police, I suppose I won't belabor the point due to opposition.
MartinezMD (
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20:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)reply
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Julio Iglesias Sr. →
Julio Iglesias Puga – Recommend moving this to either "Julio Iglesias Puga" or "Julio Iglesias (gynecologist)" as the title is a
WP:NEOLOGISM. The senior, junior, III model is not used in Spanish, where this man spent his whole life. The English source from UPI introduces him as "Dr. Julio Iglesias Puga" and later calls him "Iglesias Sr.", a common journalistic way of disambiguating people, whether or not they share the same first name. The current title also runs into confusion as the son of
Julio Iglesias is
Julio Iglesias Jr., and is professionally known as that due to living in the US. The average person who sees the Jr. article and will expect the Sr. article to be Jr's father. Google Books search is mainly
cheap biographies of his star offspring, but they too call him "Julio Iglesias Puga". It's up to you whether it's clearer to include his second surname, or his profession.
Unknown Temptation (
talk) 19:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.Shadow007 (
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03:13, 13 September 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.