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A fact from José Salvador Alvarenga appeared on Wikipedia's
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Which of these is correct? The context doesn't read that his employer was his father, and I doubt "Willie" had the identical name to the man's father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TricksterWolf ( talk • contribs) 05:37, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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-- Senra ( talk) 11:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
You are removing "irrelevant trivia" yet this article has a "rumors" section? The opinions of a boat owner in Mexico about how long someone can go without scurvy, and the opinions of other entirely speculative unscientific lay men about what feels to be possible have absolutely no bearing on this story whatsoever. The whole event is getting a smear job (by the American media at least) trying to dismiss this as quickly as possible with no evidence to contradict the events. I'm not saying the story is true or false, but there is zero evidence of it being false and lots of positive evidence of it being true, such as him showing up on a small boat from Mexico in the Marshall Islands. That's verifiable. That's the story. Now did he launch off a cruise ship a few miles out so the locals wouldn't see and this was all a ruse by a poor Salvadorian, who knows. Maybe he'll rub two pesos together and make the Statute of Liberty disappear, because poor immigrants are so notorious for elaborate hoaxes. How about sticking with the facts? Promontoriumispromontorium ( talk) 20:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
"such as him showing up on a small boat from Mexico in the Marshall Islands." I can show up in a small boat in your driveway does not say anything about how the boat got there! "because poor immigrants are so notorious for elaborate hoaxes" Great logical fallacy and slightly racist! Maybe look at how he claims he survived drinking blood from birds and turtles! There must have been alot of suicidal birds and turtles lining up. Also the condition of his skin, how do you think it should be after 438 in the sun and wearing a salty clothing? Also this diet is clearly great for putting on weight! -- Apemonkey1 ( talk) 00:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
The following article contains additional information from someone who interviewed Alvarenga first hand: http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/first-contact-with-castaway-jose-salvador-alvarenga-20140205 This content possibly deserves it's own section in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vkdevlin ( talk • contribs) 12:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Before sending this to AFD, its better to discuss it here. How is this notable? It doesnt have anything lasting other than being WP:NOTNEWS.( Lihaas ( talk) 17:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)).
The person himself is not notable, however the story may be, especially if he survived over a year at sea. We have an article on Jesús Vidaña who, with two others were lost at sea for 10 months. Also Lim Poon lost for 115 days. As you say Lihaas, this may not be notable, but we don't seem to have an article on being lost at sea for a prolonged period, even though the topic itself seems notable [1]. Before sending to AfD it would be nice to have a valid merge target. Martin451 07:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
The article says in two places "he set sail," which would make more sense if he was in a sailboat than if he was in a motorboat. I grant that this term is sometimes used for powerd boats or ships with no sails. But if it was a sailboat and the motor quit, he should have been able to sail back to the country of origin. If it was a motorboat it would be better to say "he set forth" or "he set out." 98.213.49.221 ( talk) 19:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
The phrase "set sail" is indeed the correct nautical term. It appears "set sail" was purged from the article because the boat did not have a mast and a sail. The literal meaning of "set sail" is indeed to hoist the sails on a sailing vessel. However the alternate nautical meaning is to begin a voyage at sea for any type of vessel:
>> Castaway fisherman returns to El Salvador >> Castaway's arrival 'surprised' islanders( Lihaas ( talk) 13:10, 16 February 2014 (UTC)).[]
A lot of the info in this article was interesting in the hours following his appearance, but is of no interest historically. For example, we don't need a direct quote about how the first person to see him was surprised he wasn't thinner. His daughter saying she'll kiss and hug him is also not very notable. I know it's hard to delete sentences with references, but it's necessary to get to a quality article. Gronky ( talk) 10:29, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
There is no evidence at all that this was a hoax, except some people saying it was incredible. All the evidence points to that he did what he said. AtomAnt ( talk) 01:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
WOW yes people know starving and having no water is very fattening and also great for the skin being exposed to salt on your skin and sun for 438 days makes it look good not damaged. How many sea birds worth of blood is the Daily Recommended Intake? Even 2 litres how many is that? Also not eating any fruit or veg for 438 days is a great way to not get scurvy!-- Apemonkey1 ( talk) 00:36, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
How can this article treat this lie as being true? It is so full of holes, it clearly is not true! 438 days with no water, no food (you aint going to catch that many fish/turtles/birds) even if you did would still have scurvy (he did not) he was as fat as when he left! he did not have any skin damage from the sun, salt water!-- Apemonkey1 ( talk) 00:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Would be curious about the current status of survivor. Did he reunite with family, Daughter? did he ever go back to fishing boating? Where is he living present day? 2603:9000:A701:CFE8:B41B:EB40:75B7:AC15 ( talk) 14:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC)