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At least in the book Surfers of the Zuvuya, the typography of this man's name is José Argüelles, which is consistent with a Spanish name (He's half Mexican).
Although I don't subscribe to any of the teaching of Jose Arguelles in particular, I do ackowledge the 13 moon, natural time system. I feel this article unecessarilly bad-mouths Arguelles, and in doing so alludes to holes with natural time. The absence of a date for July 26th is called the Day Out of Time, a sort of New Year or day of recognition. Anyways, I think it should be noted that Arguelles' interpretations of natural time are not necessarilly the rules that apply to the 13 moon calendar.
What the heck are those "references"? I'm inclined to delete them. -- Fluffbrain 06:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
That is what is used by his detractors to distract people away from his primary concept which is a new understanding of time. Articulated in numerous ways as the Law of Time. If you haven't read the Cosmic History Chronicles I advise you to do so. If you don't then you have no right to comment on what the man is saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.6.93.238 ( talk) 18:18, 25 September 2007 (UTC) Of course he can comment on practically anything the man says without reading it. It's all, without exception, patent hokum. 67.62.75.193 ( talk) 02:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Now the article is lopsided in "favor" of JA: Some of the cotnent (e.g., about telepathy ) must be removed or softened. Kdammers 08:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I've restored the reference to Finley's site, that had been removed on the grounds it's a "self-published" work. While it's true enough that he's not a published scholar in the field, I believe that his info on Maya archaeoastronomy & calendrics is reliable and accords with what is published elsewhere by more established academics and Mayanists. I've also seen that practising Mesoamericanists regard his site favourably.
The removal of the reference also left the footnoted citation and quote hanging without anything to refer to.
I don't think that the particular piece of information the cite/ref was being used for is controversial or unrepresentative of the mainstream view...?
The problem with characters like Argüelles is that academic researchers rarely if ever bother to respond in print to his fanciful claims. While it would be unreasonable to dispute that the vast majority (I would say, all) of Mayanist research completely disagrees with the way Argüelles, Calleman, Gilbert, Hancock et al. (mis)represent the Maya calendar and belief system, explicit and citeable published rebuttals from the field are v. hard to come by.
Perhaps if we can find some published countering arguments then Finley's comments can be superseded, but I'd be reluctant to pull out without some replacement.
Would be happy to discuss the point, and I do see the rationale/policy alignment behind removing this as a ref — but I would argue that in this case the reference is representative of the mainstream view, and is not being used to give WP:UNDUE weight to a minority or original research-type position. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 06:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
and possessed by the soul of Pakal Votan? Serendi pod ous 15:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't having a separate criticism section considered biased? Teh Rote ( talk) 00:38, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the correct title for the whole article should be "A Load of Old Bollocks." TTFN — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.149.150 ( talk) 16:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
The article says: "José Argüelles passed away on March 23, 2011, 6:10 a.m. (exactly the same time as his birth) and precisely 1,328 years after the passing of Pacal Votan (683)" Unfortunately the date given in the article for the date of the death of Pakal is 9.12.11.5.18 (Tiesler & Cucina 2004, p. 40). This is actually Wednesday August 26th, 683 using the GMT correlation, so this is wrong. Also the Pakal article specifically debunks "Pakal Votan" as a new age hoax invented by Arguelles. Senor Cuete ( talk) 23:39, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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