This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or
poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially
libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to
this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following
WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Football, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Association football on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FootballWikipedia:WikiProject FootballTemplate:WikiProject Footballfootball articles
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Reply@
GiantSnowman: a simple google search, for Jonny will bring the wikipedia page up first, but not much other results, then type in Jonny Otto in to the search engine and you get much better results, hence Jonny is not a Common name.
Govvy (
talk)
10:40, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - called 'Castro Otto' by
BBC and 'Jonny Castro Otto', 'Otto' and 'Jonny' (the latter most often from what I can see) by
Wolves. Nominator has not provided evidence of the proposed new location as the clear COMMONNAME. As such, leave it where it is.
GiantSnowman11:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Reply@
GiantSnowman: But you just destroyed your own logic, the Wolves profile clearly say Jonny Otto at the top, not Jonny on it's own. In prose they use Otto there, next BBC are using Castro Otto, per their surname convention, they haven't used Jonny at all there, thus busting any logical use of Common name for being Jonny.
Govvy (
talk)
11:10, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Sure on any royals page the most frequent use is 'Kate' and 'Meghan' ... not sure frequency is an argument against use of either surname or matronym.
In ictu oculi (
talk)
07:26, 4 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose Usually Spanish footballers have their surnames on the lineups in the Premier League as their paternal names (such as e.g.
Cesar Azpilicueta who is not referred to by Chelsea F.C. and the neutral papers as "Cesar Tanco"). Also Soccerbase refers to him as 'Jonny' while Soccerway refers as Jonny Castro. They don't call the player Jonny Otto.
Iggy (
Swan)
20:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this
talk page or in a
move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Requested move 23 January 2024
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Seems like a more likely destination given English media name him as "Jonny Otto":
BBC,
The Athletic,
Sky Sports. While the typical formatting of news articles usually list people by just one part of their full names, in recent sources the first instance of this players name call him with Otto included. What I said in the other RM discussion nearly 5 years ago now seems wrong about naming him as Jonny Castro.
Iggy (
Swan) (
Contribs)
17:43, 25 January 2024 (UTC)reply
OpposeWP:COMMONNAME is pretty clear that in cases such as this one, the consensus name used in the media takes precedence. In this case specifically, the English language sources for this article use a very consistent naming scheme of "Jonny Otto". Given that this is a consensus across English sources and some other language ones, and this is English Wikipedia, that seems to be the appropriate move should one be made. Note: I see a lot of voters here opposing and favoring the name "Jonny Otto". But, I see those same users lamenting that it will not occur. I contend that someone ought to 'be bold' and
WP:JUSTDOIT. If you consider a move discussion unlikely to occur by other editors initiating it, be the one that steps forward and takes the necessary steps to reverse the 3 April decision via talk pages and standard channels. Be the one to gather sources which prove your point unequivocally and make your case. Dionysius Millertalk18:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose to move to "Jonny Otto"; even tough this will likely fall again on deaf ears, i'll offer my two cents nonetheless: this is a NAME/NICKNAME compound, please leave name as "Jonny" (with or without year for disambiguation purposes).
Having just checked his article's talkpage, i'm surprised still no one proposed to move
Isco to "Isco Alarcón", it happened in 2011 with people requesting
Nani be moved to "Luís Nani", luckily it was not accepted... --
RevampedEditor (
talk)
07:11, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Reply@
RevampedEditor: Except Jonny Otto is the
WP:COMMONNAME and he doesn't refer to himself simply as Jonny, it is Jonny Otto and he has Otto on the back of his shirt.
[1], He is not using the same naming convention himself as others have.
Govvy (
talk)
12:25, 26 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Strongly oppose move/the above comment, are we going to go down the "
Isco Alarcón", "Pedro
Pauleta" (i.e. the Portuguese media still refer to him in this nonsensical way nowadays!) or "Ricardo
Kaká" path again? Leave as it is or insert the year if need be (i.e. "Jonny (footballer, born 1994)"), that should satisfy. --
RevampedEditor (
talk)
04:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.