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While it is notable, the article reads a lot like a timeline list, which isn't a very good way to convey the information as almost every section reads like this. I don't know what WP tag covers this though or how to convert the current content to something more readable.
216.243.63.186 (
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23:03, 1 May 2016 (UTC)reply
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Am a bit hesitant to move this uncontroversially because 1) the article has just been created and 2) "JonTron" is fully protected due to repeated recreation in the past. Satellizer el Bridget(Talk)11:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Support – Just looking at the titles of the sources should make this clear. It is definitely the subject's common name. I don't think it's a controversial move, no, thogh I find it curious that the article now (finally) exists. The article won't get deleted this time? ~
Mable (
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11:20, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
I would suggest taking this to AfD if you disagree, but I believe there are now more than enough reliable sources to warrant the article's existence. —
foxj12:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
I would support this as well, notable people like Arin Hanson are more commonly known by their internet pseudonyms. 【Zagexma】15:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. Disregarding the question of notability, the person is better known by their pseudonym. Someone else can AfD this again if they want to.
Ivanvector🍁 (
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15:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Support per COMMONNAME — Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources.CookieMonster755📞✉✓18:32, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Support per COMMONNAME - More people search for "JonTron" then do search for "Jon(athan) Jafari". It's far more easily recognizable, and should definitely be used instead. TheSqrtMinus1 23:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
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Photo Search
Just spoke to Mr. Jafari, he approves of the page and we should be getting a Creative Commons approved photo any time now.
【Zagexma】23:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)reply
I am the author of the original draft of this page as seen
here, and would like to add more sources that I find as well as continue to add new information.
【Zagexma】00:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Zagexma: This template's just for specific edits. I think the protection was a mistake so have contacted the admin for clarification. If you want to make a specific edit please detail it below in the same way you requested this edit. Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience! —
foxj00:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)reply
Personal/Early Life
I want to gather some resources on Jon's early/personal life. I know he attended
Palos Verdes Peninsula High School along with some other YouTubers. He is of Persian decent on his father's side. I also know that he had a
Newgrounds account under the name BirdmanXZ6 where he made animations about onions
[1]. Most of these facts I know simply because they were stated on Game Grumps, but I cannot find any legitimate sources that say these things. Perhaps we can get Jon to write a post similar to
Egoraptor's?:
[2]【Zagexma】21:21, 9 May 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Zagexma: I know this is a pain in the ass, but can you please have Jon email permissions-enwikimedia.org to confirm that the picture is his. As it is, it will look like "Flickr washing" (creating a Flickr account to upload copyrighted stuff under a "free license"). Thanks! —
foxj02:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)reply
JonTron Show page?
Shouldn't there be a separate page for the actual JonTronShow episodes? This is a biography on Jon Jafari himself, but there should definitely be a seperate page for the JonTronShow.
RfC: Inclusion of Aryan (Jafari's middle name) in this article
INCLUDE IF AND ONLY IF A RELIABLE SOURCE COMPLIANT WITH
WP:BLPPRIMARY VERIFIES THE MIDDLE NAME:
There is a clear consensus to include in the article Jafari's full name, including his middle name Aryan, if and only if an appropriate reliable source
verifies this information. As noted
in a removal of the middle name by
Sro23 (
talk·contribs), "I know, but per
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Exercise extreme caution in using primary sources. Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses.
Therefore, the middle name should not be sourced with a source that violates
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From what I've seen in the edit history of this page, we as editors can't seem to come to a consensus as to whether we should include Aryan, Jafari's reported middle name, in this article or not. It has been removed and re-added and removed and re-added again by various editors, myself included. An RfC looks like the only way we can come to a consensus on this without resorting to an all-out edit war. So, I put it to you, my fellow editors: Should we include Jafari's full name, including his middle name, in this article?Blurp92 (
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06:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Survey
Include as requester. All other Wikipedia articles about people include their full names, middle name included. (Examples:
12345) That, and Jafari's middle name is documented on the California Birth Index,[1] so it's safe to say that the name "Aryan" comes from a reliable source.
Blurp92 (
talk)
06:06, 19 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment - I'm confused as to what we are being surveyed on exactly: inclusion of the full name as page title, as the bold full name in the lead, the name in the infobox, or the name used to refer to him in the article? Until clarified, all I can think to do here is answer on a case-by-case basis:
Page title - stage name, per
WP:PSEUDONYM, with redirects for variations of his full name.
Lead - full name with middle name included, per
MOS:FULLNAME, followed by stagename per
MOS:LEGALNAME.
Infobox - stagename at infobox top per
Template:Infobox person, with full name and initial included in the Birth name row.
Article content - just last name, no middle name, per normal conventions (see
Boxxy), unless it can be determined that he does not use his legal last name in any professional way, per the last paragraphs in
MOS:LASTNAME (see
Snoop Dogg as example).
Yvarta (
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20:18, 19 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Include No reason to not include it, and it's a safe assumption to assume that California Birth record is indeed JonTron as it is the same place, same last name, adds up.
70.44.154.16 (
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20:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Doubt about reliable source
I understand that the public record can be used due to
WP:BLPPRIMARY, but I want to know if a video of him addresing this issue (
minute 35:05 to 35:42) and confirming that Aryan is his middle name can be used or if that would violate
WP:BLPSPS. Futhermore, while researching to ask this I found
his IMDb entry where the middle name is also clearly stated, so I'm now wondering if that secondary source is clearly valid and my initial doubt is redundant.
87.221.153.144 (
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22:07, 26 April 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't really think this section is noteworthy for inclusion. The websites that are reporting on it are mostly just opinion pieces and I don't even think it's that newsworthy of a story. In my view, it should be deleted. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
FOXHOUNDER1014 (
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contribs)
16:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)reply
Time has posted an article on the whole event on their website; it's in their entertainment section and online, admittedly, but that seems like a pretty good argument for this being newsworthy. (Source:
[4] ).
32.217.161.69 (
talk)
21:07, 15 March 2017 (UTC)reply
@
BrxBrx and
Yoshiman6464: Um, yes they are, particularly for internet-culture related biographies for which general printed sources are not available or do not otherwise exist. —
foxj21:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC)reply
There has been a consensus that kotaku and mic are similar to the Daily Mail in terms of sourcing. They're very shaky.
BrxBrx(
talk)(please reply with { {re|BrxBrx}})20:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC)reply
I agree that this section is not noteworthy and just an exercise in liberal point scoring, I suggest anything regarding the so-called controversy regarding the tweet be deleted until a reputable source can be provided. — Preceding
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86.159.49.82 (
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19:30, 27 March 2017 (UTC)reply
Right now Normal Boots just redirects to the JonTron article, but I honestly think it seems like something that is deserving of its own separate article. Anyone else agree with me on this???
TheDisneyGamer (
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15:32, 17 April 2017 (UTC)reply
That honestly makes sense- it was probably created by some 8 year-old or something who quickly half-assed an article up without actually adding any citations to show notability. So if someone actually put effort into a Normal Boots article then I think it'd be perfectly justified in existing.
TheDisneyGamer (
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16:35, 17 July 2017 (UTC)reply
CC Picture??
The removal of and deletion mark for the show's logo got me thinking about a new picture. Looking through the talk page I know @
Zagexma: was talking a couple of years back about a creative commons picture from Jon himself- what ever happened to that and/or what is the status of that?? ~~
Tristan ("TheDisneyGamer")21:34, 28 March 2018 (UTC)reply
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He has voice credits in multiple video games, has received attention from several news outlets, has appeared in music videos, and has appeared in official promos for movei trailers. I'd say all of these factors combine constitute notability for sure.
AlmightyMushroomMan (
talk)
04:25, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
@
AlmightyMushroomMan: Actually, none of those reason (except for the news attention) really have much to do with
notability. This article was
deleted four times back when all he had was voice credits and video roles. The primary reason he's notable is because of all the coverage his controversial political views got; that was the key difference in
the 5th deletion discussion (the one ended with a "keep" consensus). @
185.57.212.59: This article has survived a very lengthy deletion discussion where it was decided by the community that he is notable, so it's unlikely that a new discussion would overturn the previous consensus. The previous discussion can be found here:
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/JonTron (5th nomination). –
IagoQnsi (
talk)
17:39, 10 May 2018 (UTC)reply
It actually wasn’t his political views that influenced the last AFD since that was closed and survived deletion several months prior to the his political issues. it’s likely going to be even an ever stronger consensus to keep now If a new AFD is created.--
76.65.41.59 (
talk)
05:06, 29 June 2018 (UTC)reply
As JonTron has stopped making videos (or any form of media), I'm going to restart the discussion on whether this page is actually needed. This page has been deleted 4 times, yes, and it should have stayed deleted. We don't have Wikipedia pages for every YouTuber, JonTron is no different. Especially in light of his heavily reduced activity. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
81.20.188.90 (
talk)
17:42, 14 October 2018 (UTC)reply
He has since posted more content on his channel and seems to be back (at least for a while). In his first video since coming back, he claimed that his absence was due to working on the content of his satirical FlexTape review sequel. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Etymographer (
talk •
contribs)
00:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)reply
See
WP:NBIO. Notability is determined by reliable, independent sources. His own videos are neither reliable, nor independent, so this doesn't really matter either way.
Grayfell (
talk)
01:07, 17 April 2019 (UTC)reply
Aren't there a number of sources from online outlets, particularly ones reporting on his controversy a while back, that are cited in the article? Ones from websites like TIME, Polygon, etc. Don't those show notability?
As a side note, the way you've phrased your statement gives off the impression that you're highlighting his lack of activity as a primary factor for why the page should be deleted. His content just takes a really long time to make, and he's recently started uploading more often.
This section doesn't seem to mention any controversy with Sargon or on his livestream. The controversy mentioned is related to Destiny, and the Sargon livestream mention is oddly unrelated to the sentence it's connected to. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
174.233.12.171 (
talk)
05:14, 7 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Done The sources focus on Jon, so the section should be about his comments. Sargon and Destiny are very controversial and this article can't serve as a
WP:Coatrack for their own beliefs. wumbolo^^^10:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)reply
Resides in New Hampshire?
I've
removed the part of the "Personal life" section that states that Jon resides in New Hampshire as of 2019. The only "source" was
this LinkedIn page that does not specify anywhere that Jon resides in NH or resided there as of 2019. Furthermore, who can say that this is Jon's actual LinkedIn profile? --
My Pants Metal (
talk)
20:23, 22 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The first image used in this article is fan-art. Should we not use an actual photo of Jon? Most other articles use real world photos for public figures.
Skimbybimby (
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20:17, 20 January 2024 (UTC)reply