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Scope of Funerary Monuments information for Dennys family members
The following citation information: Funerary Monuments in St. Thomas a Becket Church, Pucklechurch, Glocestershire is stated to be the source of birth and death information for:
John Dennys
His wife Katherine
His brother
Four children
However, based upon the contributor's pattern of inappropriately attributing blocks of information to sources - and the confusion about the number of children and some dates of death that the monuments should have resolved - I don't know how much of this is truly found in the funerary monuments. Any idea how to verify this? If I could at least determine what family members are buried at the church, it could then be inferred that their information was likely properly cited?--
CaroleHenson (
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23:05, 10 July 2013 (UTC)reply
Information unable to find and/or original research
Here's information I've been working on:
Information unable to find and/or original research - strike out through found info
John the poet was heir to his elder brother Henry, who died in 1569 without having fathered any children.[1]
It is possible John Dennys had read the Georgics at Magdalene College, Cambridge, which his father Hugh had caused in 1543 to establish a scholarship "the Dennis Scholarship" by procuring an Act of Parliament[2] to divert the income from his great-uncle
Hugh Denys'sHugh Denys (died 1511) of Osterley, Middlesex was Groom of the King's Close Stool to Henry VII.[3] bequest to
Sheen Priory and Syon Abbey, dissolved by Henry VIII, to the newly refounded College.citation needed
Rev. Henry Nicholson Ellacombe (died 1916), Vicar of Bitton, who had assisted Westwood in his definitive identification of Dennys, went on to write "Shakespeare as an Angler" published at Oxford in 1883, in whichhe argues that The Bard and John Dennys were possibly fishing companions. Shakespeare lived for a while at Dursley, Glos., not too far from Dennys's manor of Oldbury-on-Hill, N. of Pucklechurch. The play Henry IV contains many references to the sport, and is said to have been written during this period.citation neededSee also Laurence, Robert. William Shakespeare, Fisherman. & Huhner, Max. Was Shakespeare an Angler? 1918.
Did not use Laurence info - was an unreliable web site
Did not find Dennys in the Huhner book.
I did not add citation info into the body of the text, it's in the citation
I did not reach that they were fishing buddies, but that they may have known each other.
Already stated that Ellacombe was instrumental in sorting out Denny's role in his book and family heritage.
He left 4 children under 15 years old, from which may be deduced that he possibly died young aged 35 to 40.citation needed
not finding anything to substantiate age - children's ages at his death can be deduced from the info in the article
Yep, thanks, I used that source (reference # 19) and explained the errors (note 9) as in
this version. Is there more that you think needs to be done (e.g., explain the nature of the errors more fully, etc.)?
Or, maybe this related to the query that I had on the
Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Verifiability posting, in which I have no further question, but thank you for the response! I will update the citation / note per the discussion on that page.
^Cite error: The named reference Chitty was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).
^Parliament office MSS. III. Acts not on the Parliament Roll and not printed in the "Statutes at Large". 22 Jan Parliament Roll, Cap.42, An Act concerning the inheritance of
Hugh Denys and 20s per annum to Magdalene Coll. in Cambs. 34 & 35 H VIII (1543)