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From a look through this article, I'll have to fail it. It's not a bad article, it just needs a lot of work done yet, it's not really complete. For example:
Lead needs to be more than one sentence.
Where'd he attend high school? Did he play other sports?
College info is pretty good, though adding in more detail would help.
What minor league teas did he play for in the Padres' farm system?
There is nothing on 1995-1998. He was a starter those seasons, and to have nothing makes for a very incomplete article. (this alone would be GA-fail-worthy)
The Toronto/Cincy sections aren't as bad, but again, more expansion.
Basically, try and expand everything. It's a nice start but not a complete work.
The good thing about recent baseball pitchers is that there are a LOT of sources at your disposal. Even going through google news and adding things in can get you a 20kb+ article in no time. I could certainly help you out if you'd like, though common names make google searching a bit harder.
Wizardman19:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)reply
He was then called up for the second straight season to the Wichita Wranglers - I've seen similar terminology in sports-related articles (being "called up to the roster"), but "second straight season with the Wichita Wranglers", or something similar, might flow better.
With the Padres in 1998, which turned out to be Hamilton's last in San Diego, he had a 13-13 record, 4.27 ERA in 34 starts and 217.1 innings pitched - Hamilton's last what?
Around the 1998 trade deadline there was a rumored trade that would send Pete Harnisch to San Diego and Hamilton to the Detroit Tigers but the trade never materialized. - I'm confused in the beginning of the sentence, with the trade's deadline being introduced first.
Reworded to There was a rumored trade around the 1998 MLB trade deadline that would send Hamilton to the Detroit Tigers but the trade never materialized.--
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21:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)reply
a started 20 games and came in relief in 22 games - is "relief" a baseball term? Otherwise, it doesn't seem to fit there.
with Cincinnati before bouncing around training camps and the minor leagues (from the lead) - something like "transferring" would be better than the
colloquial "bouncing".
All sources that are part of a larger publication should be italicized in the refs, or switched from "publisher=" to the "work=" parameter (i.e., newspapers like Los Angeles Times, Houston Chronicle, etc.) Also, Baseball-Reference.com seems to be web-only, so I don't think it should be in italics.
If possible, could you link all of the publishers that have articles? Either that, or delink BR.com. If you do link all the publishers, link the first instance only.
This is a nice article and a near-complete work. I have placed it on hold and look forward to passing it once the above issues are addressed. Good luck. :-)
Jamie☆S9321:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)reply
I took another glance through (the first point is not a big deal), and am passing the article as a GA now. Congratulations! A nice
independence day Good Article for ya, enjoy. :-) Best,
Jamie☆S9323:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)reply
The first paragraph of the lead bothers me since it is only one paragraph, which gives it a stubby appearance. To fix this, I recommend moving a couple sentences from the second paragraph.
Following the 1998 season, San Diego traded him to the Toronto Blue Jays in December 1998, for whom he spent two full seasons." Two problems here. First, the 1998 after December should be dropped, since it's clear that the trade occured in 1998. Second, "for whom" should follow a person, not a date. The entire sentence could use a re-write.
Early years and college: "The Baltimore Orioles drafted him in the 1988 Major League Baseball Draft but he did not sign". A contract with the Orioles, I assume?
"The San Diego Padres drafted Hamilton eighth overall in the 1991 Major League Baseball Draft and eventually signed him for US$415,000 after a short period of refusing to sign a contract." It reads like the Padres were the ones refusing to sign. Is that the intention? Also, I don't think we need a link to the U.S. dollar, or a US indicator, unless there's a Canadian dollar amount given later.
"In High Desert, compiling a 4–3 win–loss record, 2.74 ERA in nine appearances, eight of which were starts." This is a sentence fragment in its present form. Try "In High Desert, Hamilton compiled a 4–3 win–loss record and 2.74 ERA in nine appearances". Note how I swapped a comma for an "and" in the middle.
"With San Diego, Hamilton went 55 and 44 with a 3.75 ERA in 932.8 innings pitched." I'm surprised that his record isn't given in a range like the others in the article. Also, I'm becoming confused by the innings pitched statistics given. In various places, I see .1, .2 and .8. Something is amiss somewhere, since IP stats can only end in three ways: ⅓, ⅔ or a whole number.
Fixed the .8 thing not sure why I put that there and the .1's and .2's are the ⅓, ⅔, will change to the fractions upon request.--
Giants27 (
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17:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)reply
How did Hamilton perform in his MLB debut? That's a significant landmark in a baseball player's career, especially a relatively unknown one.
From the linked article on the Padres' Opening Day starters, I see that Hamilton won in 1997. A brief sentence or two on this would be beneficial. Oh, and should Opening Day be capitalized?
"As a shoulder injury, later described as inflammation of the rotator cuff and bursa sac, forced Hamilton onto the disabled list during the 97' season." This sentence, while important, has no flow with anything that comes before. Rework the first part of it, and swap 1997 for 97' (I'm pretty sure the Manual of Style discourages abbreviated years).
"There was a rumored trade around the 1998 MLB trade deadline that would send Hamilton to the Detroit Tigers...". I'm thinking it should be "that would have".
"and instead came in relief of game three starter Sterling Hitchcock." Doesn't work grammatically. Try "and instead entered game three in relief of starter Sterling Hitchcock."
After San Diego: Change semi-colon after "the Triple-A affiliate of the Blue Jays, and made three starts" to a regular comma. I know you must be annoyed at all these picky punctuation comments, but it's better that you receive them from me here than at another FAC.
Changed and no definetely not getting annoyed with these kind of changes especially since I'm awful with punctuation. :S--
Giants27 (
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15:58, 26 August 2009 (UTC)reply
"Hamilton had a shortened 2000 season for Toronto when he had...". "when" → "where".
Comma after "and was optioned to their Triple-A team", and possibly another after "He made one start in Louisville". There are similar fixes to be made in the Final years section.
As I said at the FAC, it would be a good idea to seek out a copy-editor or two to polish the article further. One person can't see every possible improvement in an article, and featured articles are almost always copy-edited at some point. That does it for the prose review, but I want to come back and look at the sources, to judge their reliability and how they support what's in the article. Giants2008 (
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14:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)reply
I mentioned The Baseball Cube at the FAC and am still concerned about it. A website that can be edited by anyone is not going to be considered a
reliable source in general, never mind at FAC. My suggestion is to find replacement cites for facts referenced to Baseball Cube.
Like I said on the FAC, if you click on "Edit Player Data" it brings up a form which is then e-mailed to the people who run the site for their review before it is posted.--
Giants27 (
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17:56, 26 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Reference 24 says it's from Baseball Cube, but appears to be an archived news story.
Reference 42 is to FanHouse, a blog. A blog's reliability, or lack thereof, depends strongly on who is writing it. Is the writer of this piece, Matt Watson, a sports journalist?
Reference 18: "the ability to throw a baseball at close to 100 mph." Article: "losing his ability to throw a baseball at 100 miles per hour." There are distinct similarities between the two. Please re-word this to move it farther from the source.
Reference 33: "Joey Hamilton looked like the '97 Hamilton". Article: Hamilton looked like the "'97 Hamilton". Considering the rest of this bit matches the quote, the quotation mark should be moved before Hamilton.
There are numerous LA Times articles that were retrieved from a news archive. When you get a chance, I urge you to check these stories against the article for more bits that are close to each other, like the two above.
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