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I agree with it. A lead should summarize the subject, and in this case his base stealing is relevant. I'm still improving in my lead writing. I guess I wrote this one in April. –
Muboshgu (
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03:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)reply
I had thought you meant to add the specific top 10s to the lead, which would be burdensome. Mentioning that he has many top 10 finishes was a good idea. –
Muboshgu (
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16:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Think about his 1896 season. He led the league in stolen bases and was top 10 in 2B, 3B, HR, OBP, SLG, BA, R, RBI and a whole lot more. The league may have only had 8 or 10 teams, but we need to present the reader with a sufficient summary of his skill so as not to be surprised in the article.--
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21:09, 17 June 2012 (UTC)reply
I've added some of this, but I'm loathe to get into stats like 2B and 3B, which are less discussed, and a little hesitant about adding OBP and SLG, which are popular now, but weren't back when Kelley played. –
Muboshgu (
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15:32, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
I haven't added it yet, since at first I was against it. After thinking about it some more, I think it's relevant so I will add it. I have to leave shortly, though, so I won't get around to it until later today. –
Muboshgu (
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16:36, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
This is the kind of guy who today we might be able to simply say he was something like a 10-15x AS and 2x MVP. You have a greater burden as the biographer of 19th century stars who are pre-AS and pre-MVP.--
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21:20, 17 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Don't add term to article. My point is that he had a lot of great seasons. (by my estimation he would be a 10-15x AS if they had AS games back then.) IMO, you should present the proper amount of detail for the reader to understand this. Feel free to share your thoughts.--
TonyTheTiger (
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02:02, 21 June 2012 (UTC)reply
I won't add the term. I've added quite a bit of the relevant gray ink, though I think there are a few more to add, especially if I do talk about OBP and SLG. –
Muboshgu (
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16:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Burn. The stats where he finished second are more
sabermetric (Adj. Batting Runs, Adj. Batting Wins), which don't belong in the article of a late 19th-early 20th century player. –
Muboshgu (
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15:35, 22 June 2012 (UTC)reply
The page now includes OBP, 2B, R, and BB for 1894, as well as BA and RBI. It was his best season. Extra base hits and 1B assists do not seem important enough to me to include. –
Muboshgu (
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01:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)reply
Sources say Kelley and Dovey "settled" their dispute, though it doesn't say in any great detail what that means. It also says Kelley got a comparable salary with Toronto as he was to make in Boston, so it seems that whatever the two did to meet in the middle, they were able to move on. –
Muboshgu (
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18:48, 18 June 2012 (UTC)reply
I think we're good here. I've added much gray ink to this page and improved the lead. Can you give it another look to see if there's anything I missed?