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There seems to be a surprising amount of confusion over how to pronounce this young man's name. I've heard at least one radio announcer say /'dʒəʊkəm/ (AmE: JOE-kim). USAToday says it's "pronounced JO-a-kim, says his mother, though many classmates say JO-keem". Now, JO-a-kim probably means /'dʒəʊəkɪm/ and JO-keem probably means /'dʒəʊˌkim/ although /i/ sounds kind of weird in an not-so-stressed syllable in American English. Some other website claims that its a Swedish name and should be "Yo-a-keem" (i.e. /'jəʊəˌkim/ or /ˌjəʊə'kim/) in Swedish, but that some UF-related publications list or have listed it as "Jo-a-kim", but that the current (March 30?) press guide has it as "Jo-kim" (presumably the same /'dʒəʊkəm/ that I've heard). So, we should come up with a good source before we state one way or the other in the article. - Nat Krause( Talk!) 00:21, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Most UF fans and students, and the Gator Radio Network announcers pronounce his name "Jo-kim" but "Jo-a-kim" seems to also be acceptable. Although he is a junior, he is the age of a senior, which gives him an advantage on the competition.
The only pronounciation that would be correct is the official one issued by the University of Florida, since i'm sure they consulted Noah when they documented this. According to the Official Website of the Florida Gators, Gatorzone.com, the pronounciation is: JO-kim. -- Abid Ahmed 19:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
I won't edit, because it's frustrating when it's edited right back, but Joakim Noah is NOT the son of Yannick Noah, I assumed the same thing. His father is a reggae artists, he's mixed, not 'quadroon'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.94.61 ( talk • contribs) 22 May 2006.
they showed on espn during the ncaa final four (and i actually bumped into at a home game) joakim's father. Yannick Noah IS Joakim's father. he IS a former tennis star and now is pursuing a career in reggae. there are some other famous fathers on the current 2006 ncaa team. JMW814 05:11, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
How is he of hispanic descent? As far as I know, He can only be a mix of African and Caucasian (French/Swedish) descent. -- Abid Ahmed 01:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
I am not a veteran editor and I don't have specific sources to use, but I have an opinion about the notability tag. I don't see why he doesn't fit into the category of biographies. He helped carry the gators to the championship last year and is doing the same this year. He is a powerful player in college basketball, which is a huge industry. Why wouldn't articles on division-one college basketball players be notable? 141.217.231.62 07:59, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Isn't this a bit debatable? He was born in America, with a French-national father and a Swedish-national mother. Ethnically he is 50% Swedish (from his mum) and 25% French/25% Camaroonian (from his pops). So how do we come up with French-American? Does he have any sort of dual/triple nationality? I'd suggest saying simply "American" and his ethnicity is detailed in the following paragraph. regards.
==> What's the relationship between ethnicity and nationality? According to the International Herald Tribune, he has triple nationality Swedish, US, France. And they say he plans to play for France in international basketball competitions, which requires to be French. http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/03/30/sports/arena.php ~~rhadium~~
On August 9, 2007, Noah received the paperwork officially making him a French citizen, making him eligible to play for France in international competitions. [1]
French chauvinism raises its ugly head? I put the names of the countries in alphabetical order and also added a dubious tag to the claim of him being French-American. Poppypetty came and simply reverted everything. I mean, keep the national insecurities to oneself please! This is an encyclopedia...
I'm a french guy who's been studying law for 3 (long) years and I know one thing for sure : a person who has french citizenship can have only ONE other nationality. As aresult, if Joakim Noah has french nationality, he can't play for Sweden, USA or Cameroon but only for one of them.
Moreover, the french version of this articles states clearly that he has american and swedish citizenship, so how he could play for France? (As a frenchy, I wish he could but it doesn't seem possible to me).
Finnaly, is it re that he spokes swahili fluently? I mean, Swahili is an eastafrican language whereas Cameroon is a west african country.
Therefore, I think that the last section of this article should be rewritten but, honestly, I don't know enough about him to do that.
Will somebody please explain tome how his nationality is French?
Noah trained with the French national team in 2009 but withdrew for fitness reasons. You can read it here (in French): http://basket.blog.lemonde.fr/2009/10/06/joakim-noah-jaurais-plus-progresse-en-restant-avec-lequipe-de-france/ or see him in the French shirt next to Tony Parker here: http://www.sport24.com/basket-nba/equipe-de-france/actualites/avec-le-bleu-de-travail-281874/ Clearly he is French. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.155.142.42 ( talk) 17:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Should the "Nationality" part of the infobox be filled with American/Swedish/French? Arbor to SJ ( talk) 20:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Of course. There is a lot of ridiculous debate on wikipedia over nationality/citizenship. For some reason, people feel it's perfectly alright to ignore listing a person's nationality/citizenship just because of their own perception (of how they became popular). It's an incredibly weak argument. Noah, by law, is a national/citizen of three independent nations: United States, France, Sweden. By the nationality law of each of those countries, he has full membership in the national and political community. He therefore has the right to hold a passport, receive protection, vote in elections, live, and work in any of those three nations. So, clearly, being that that's the case, all three should be listed and the lead sentence should note it. Nationality/citizenship is a legal matter. If Noah enters any of his three countries, they're not going to say, "Well, we don't perceive him as one of us." Regardless of how he's perceived, they recognize him and all of his rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.188.6.95 ( talk) 22:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
The US and French systems of "citizenship by birth" are very similar, so this is an easy one to explain. Basically, there are 2 ways one can acquire the US or the French citizenship "at birth". Either at least one of your parents is American or French (regardless of where you were born). Or you were on US or French territory (regardless of your parents citizenship). This is called "jus soli" ("right of soil" in Latin). The US and French systems differ radically from the UK or German systems, for examples, which favor the bloodline. Due to "uncontrollable migratory movements", the jus soli has slightly been changed both in the US and in France in recent years. If a baby was born in France, he is now given the right to "place a bid" on his French citizenship. At the age of 16, he will have to choose whether or not to take on the French citizenship. I believe a similar law applies in the US, but I am not privy of the details. If your parents are American (or French) citizens, you may claim US (or French) citizenship at any time in your life, regardless of the citizenship you have been using since you were born. It is not totally automatic, though. But it's a pretty simple formality. Another important point. Some countries allow its citizens to have "multiple citizenships" (e.g. UK, Canada, Ireland, Israel). A few others acknowledge only a unique citizenship. America and France both belong to the latter category. This is a bit tricky, because it does NOT mean that you cannot have both the US and Whatever citizenships at the same time. It only means the US government will only acknowledge your US citizenship. And similarly, if you have a dual French/Whatever citizenship, the French government will only acknowledge your French citizenship.
I'll give you one good example... me. My mother is a US citizen (born and raised in Michigan, to Michigander parents, etc...). My father is a French citizen (born and raised in Brittany, to Breton parents, etc...). I was born in Switzerland. Because Switzerland does not have the "jus soli", as a baby, I could not automatically receive the Swiss citizenship. France is closer to Switzerland than the US, so my first citizenship was French. Officially, I was thus born a French citizen. Soon after I was born, my mother petitioned for me to become a US citizen too. Officially, I became at US citizen at the tender age of 9 weeks. I am 31 years old now. I hold a US passport and a French passport. When I am in the US, I am labeled by the US administration as a US citizen. And likewise, when I am in France, the French administration recognizes me as a French citizen. Neither the US nor the French give a hoot about my second citizenship. They only acknowledge one. It's a matter of patriotism, I guess. Or maybe just to simplify administrational issues. I do vote both in the US (Democrats) and in France (Republicans). When I travel outside of the US and France, I can either present my American or my French passport. Both are legal and accepted. In fact, I do use both...
Matters complicate for my kids. My wife has the dual Italian/Spanish citizenship. Realistically, our kids can pretend to 4 citizenships... We have twins, they're just under 1 year old. We haven't decided yet... Right now, we live in Switzerland. One thing is for sure: we intend for our boys to be fluent in English, French, Italian, Spanish, and German (the language spoken in Zürich) by the age of 10. Presumably, they still will have some space left in their brains to cram another couple of languages!
Anyhow... All this to say : Noah could very well have 3 passports and 3 citizenships (US, French, Swedish).
WP:MOSBIO states about nationality "In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national (according to each nationality law of the countries), or was a citizen when the person became notable." So I'm leaning towards labeling him American. Andrewlp1991 ( talk) 19:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
There is a lot of ridiculous debate on wikipedia over nationality/citizenship. For some reason, people feel it's perfectly alright to ignore listing a person's nationality/citizenship just because of their own perception (of how they became popular). It's an incredibly weak argument. Noah, by law, is a national/citizen of three independent nations: United States, France, Sweden. By the nationality law of each of those countries, he has full membership in the national and political community. He therefore has the right to hold a passport, receive protection, vote in elections, live, and work in any of those three nations. So, clearly, being that that's the case, all three should be listed and the lead sentence should note it. Nationality/citizenship is a legal matter. If Noah enters any of his three countries, they're not going to say, "Well, we don't perceive him as one of us." Regardless of how he's perceived, they recognize him and all of his rights. Therefore, due to his nationalities/citizenships, he should be listed as all three. It's very disrespectful not to do so, especially since he's clearly stated that he's a citizen of all three nations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.188.6.95 ( talk) 22:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
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What kind of picture is that for Noah? at lEAST get him on the court —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.228.97 ( talk) 21:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Do we really need to mention that Noah was arrested? He paid a fine, no jail time. To someone looking up information about him, do they really need to know that he was arrested one time? Hatmatbbat10 Talk to me 01:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
We need to add that Noah made the 2011 NBA All Defensive Second Team
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/05/09/2010-11-all-defensive-teams/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markxsterling ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
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I've reverted the lede sentence back to removing any specific nationality like what it was for the longest time. Looking at older versions of the page throughout the years, [2] [3] [4] [5] there was a consistent exclusion of his nationality because of the complicated circumstances of his life (including his birth, being raised in several different countries, triple citizenship and which country he represented internationally). A more recent edit back in 2019 confirms that reasoning. [6]
I have checked discussion from years ago and see that there was no clear consensus decided. I'm open for discussion again, but given the complicated circumstances of his life, I agree that removing any mention of his specific nationality in the lede is the best compromise. WP:ETHNICITY states that this is a solution for some pages. Look at Elon Musk for example. Clear Looking Glass ( talk) 02:42, 18 February 2023 (UTC)