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I reverted this page to the last edit before 24.141.218.124 touched it. 24.141.218.124 has dumped extremely POV diatribes on the Wikipedia articles for several religious figures. Auric, you made a good attempt to drag it back towards NPOV, but the information simply isn't relevant and might be entirely incorrect. Brian Kendig 20:18, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The article states, "In November 1991, he was stopped for speeding. In the car with him was another prostitute. Soon after, he was told to leave the church he pastored, but he did not do so. Swaggart kept his church and began preaching again years later. In 1995, Swaggart was again pulled over this time in California with a prostitute in the car." This information screams for citations. Can anyone provide any? If not, it probably should be taken out.
Not in any English dictionary I checked.
This article is a bit shapeless, and the tone is not encyclopedic throughout, so I put a cleanup tag. I'm a recovering wikiholic, so I don't really have time to do it myself, and I'm not very familiar with the subject matter. -- Slashme 07:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Swaggart is a consummate piano player in the manner of a more sedate Jerry Lee Lewis, his cousin, and sings with skill equal to his playing. His "How Great Thou Art" must be heard by anyone who likes that type of music. Tobyw 14:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Did the scandals ever end him up in court? There's no mention of any criminal convictions in the article, just scandals, so I'm going to remove the Fraudster and American criminals categories. Jammycakes 20:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Did he swig the lot? 2A00:1398:4:3C22:44BF:69D9:34D7:475E ( talk) 13:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
I had reason to look at this article to try to find out something about Swaggart's actual ministry and the basis of his appeal. There is almost nothing there. Almost the entire article is about sex scandals etc. This may be gratifying in a way, but it really seems disproportionate. Metamagician3000 01:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Someone put in the middle name of LEE. Can someone verify this? Jerry G. Sweeton Jr. 13:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to see more in there indeed about what he is doing now, what his Ministry is and what types of souls are responding to the call, in what numbers and compared to what numbers earlier. Otherwise, this looks like ad hominem criticism, lacking balance or context, so something should certainly be added. But his most lasting contribution to society may truly be his serial sex scandals in between tearful visits to pulpit, and we can't take that away from the Reverend either, IMHO. 57.67.161.196 11:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
As stated in my 25 September 2006 response to "Proportion" I do not believe this article is from an NPOV perspective. As such, I have flagged the article with an NPOV-check. I believe there is much missing information about the current state of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, and as stated by Metamagician3000 in "Proportion", the article is almost entirely about sex scandals from almost 20 years ago. Help to add relevant information to bring this back to an NPOV perspective is necessary, and would be greatly appreciated. Malcolmst 01:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I placed a reference to the prostitute controversy in the introductory paragraph... seems that is what he's known for, and not too many readers will likely care about his current viewership.--
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I didn't get the watch his failed comeback to televangism on TBN, but I think it's worth mentioning by someone who knows more about it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iamstillhiro1112 ( talk • contribs) 01:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC).
I noticed this paragraph about the scandal, and it made me wonder how his original program was recorded.
"The story broke on February 20, 1988, four months after Swaggart had promised to confess his sin. On February 21, 1988, on his television show taped in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Swaggart tearfully confessed that he was guilty of an unspecified sin and made comparisons to himself and King David."
It either seems like the show could have been taped live, or that Swaggart knew it was about to come crashing down.
WAVY 10 21:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Look, I am no fan at all of any public figure who decided he'd betray his wife and followers by not keeping his penis where it belongs, but this article roundly fails not just NPOV but WP:BLP. All it really is is a section on controversies and criticisms; no real background; no history of accomplishments; no biography. Swaggart does have a autobiography, after all. A used copy is 25 cents. If you are interested in writing a good encyclopedia article on Swaggart, a living person, you might buy it and read it. I am sorry, but how can editors even so much as have the gall to write an article about a living person, not having read and incorporated his or her own autobiography into the article about the person! Swaggart has also been discussed in Christian and secular academic journals and a plethora of books that studied his "fall". And Swaggart makes or made $150-million, as was indicated in the Salary entry in his info box? Can't you tell the difference between an organization's total budget and the salary of its head? This article as it stands is purely the work of hacks, not responsible encyclopedia authors. I have removed all content not in keeping with WP policies, see edit history - I have stubbed the article per WP:BLP. DO NOT replace it until there is substantial and extended material in this article to make a well-balanced, truly encyclopedic article that fully meets each point of WP:BLP and every other WP policy. If you don't like this, there is always Uncyclopedia just down the road. CyberAnth 08:41, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you need to give things a re-read, above. None of this has to do with my preference and it should not have to do with yours as well. It has to do with WP:BLP. You should stop trying to divine my motives, acting on what you think they are and assuming bad faith, and read the policies. As well, your statement that "He's spent the past twenty years in one scandal or another" is overstatement. He is 71, irrespective, and a BIO should be just that, a BIO, not a lopsided thing focusing almost in totality on controversies. Again, I point you to the policies. Also, I point you to his autobiography and the journal articles I mentioned. There is also considerable Spanish language materials available from during the time his organization poured multiple millions into the region to open schools and orphanages for children whose parents were killed during Cold War era conflicts. The material is there if one wishes to write a responsible biography in keeping with WP:BIO. As it stands, this article does not meet it, except in its version as a stub. Try {{ Biography}} for an example of how a biography should look, replacing 1.5 Death and afterward with Downfall and afterward. If you are not willing to write a responsible bio, then leave the stub alone for another who might. CyberAnth 05:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Couple of points. One, CyberAnth, please don't comment out material that you want removed. Just remove it. Commenting it out makes it hard to work out what's going on and it's not the done thing. Two, Artw, this article was horrendously unbalanced, chockful of completely unsourced mudslinging. I'm no fan of the likes of Swaggart but he'll have fair treatment here. We need sources for everything. And not your favourite website. Proper sources. Grace Note 06:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Also, let's bear in mind that people who have made the news for negative reasons get a great deal written about those negative things, and not so often a lot about anything positive. This can incline us to write articles that are just long slagfests. Let's try to avoid that. Controversy, yes, because he is known for it; criticism but not mudslinging; and let's try to be objective about what is actually important. Grace Note 06:38, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I re-stubbed this article. Note the following from WP:BLP:
Just because you can cite material for a slagfest does not mean this gets around NPOV requirements. I point you again to the comments above on the differences between a biography and a slaagfest. Also bear in mind that the entire talk page history of this article has cited NPOV problems. NOTE: A WP:NPOV problem is a WP:BLP problem. The more extensive material on controversies can be reintroduced once a proper bio is written. CyberAnth 04:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Which events? See WP:Undue weight. Is this a biography entitled "Jimmy Swaggart" or an article titled "Controversies of Jimmy Swaggart"? One would think the latter before I re-stubbed it. To meet BLP criteria, NPOV must be met strictly. You might give some attention to the entire talk page history here that have pointed out this article's problem in this regard:
You getting the hint here? From four (see above), now five (me), now six (Grace Note), different users here?
I have already described how to make this a real biography. It is just above. Write one, and the more extensive material on controversies can be reintroduced once a real biography article is written. The man's been alive 71 years and has published views on hundreds of notable things.
Think of it this way: Say you were alive for 30 years. During 1/4 of those years, you flubbed up bad, but during 1/3 of your years you did very well. Should your bio cover your whole life in balance, or just your flub years? How would you feel if your bio were a slagfast for your bad years?
To quote Grace Note above, "I'm no fan of the likes of Swaggart but he'll have fair treatment here." Would you want fair treatment here, too?
Note: undue weight is a potential cause for libel. That is why articles which fail WP:NPOV fail WP:BLP.
CyberAnth 04:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, hey. Let's cool it down. Once we get to the stage of namecalling, we're not really having a productive discussion. I entirely agree with CyberAnth here. This article should not be expanded solely with material that is negative. Buy the guy's autobio, do some research, write a proper article. If you're not willing to do those things but simply want to add all the shit things you can about him, you're going to meet resistance. No one is trying to whitewash this guy. But neither is it right to make his article all about the controversies about him. Grace Note 08:17, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I did not read the entire discussion above, but I will say that I accessed the Wikipedia article looking for biographical information on Jimmy Swaggart, and found very little information -- only extensive references to the scandals, about which I was already aware, having read the newspapers at the time they happened. I am a Catholic Christian, and as such not particularly favorable towards Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, but I would expect to see some normal biographical information balancing out the scandal references. This man had a large successful ministry for many years before the scandals occurred, and there is very little information on it. C. Mac Kirnan, 28 January 2007.
Anyone got a short explanation of what is meant by that (preferably with cite)? I'm pretty sure it isn't the Revelation of the Cross, as linked. Artw 05:38, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
There's nothing neutral about this page.
While doing some research I stumbled upon this Wikipedia page. I must say that Jimmy Swaggart is an amateur hypocrite compared to some of the contributors on this page. Everybody over 10 years old knows that Swaggart was a jerk more than once years ago but this page is positive proof that at this Wikipedia website, credability is a farce and falsely advertises itself for being legitimate resource material. The dullest light bulb in the pack would be able to see the lack of objectivity in this article. Does this site have an editor?
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It remains true though that you simply cannot have an article that harps on about scandals. Mention them and move on. It is also not "balancing" the article to include screeds about what his ministry does (not about him) or scurrilous "trivia" (not about him either).
My view on biographies is that we should not present anything that the person themselves would not consider acceptable. They might not like that it mentions a scandal, but they would not disagree that it's presented fairly. That's a minimum dictate of human decency. Grace Note 01:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly I disagree.
Big chunks of "Jimmy Swaggart Ministries" obviously needed culling. Possibly there could be an article in that, but it would be hard to avoid just regurgitating chunks of the website.
Jimmy Swaggart undoubtedly has a position in pop culture that is/was represented by the trivia section, but it was largely bumf.
But your other edits... Hmm. Sorry. No. That's not "balance" or "decency", that's Politely pretending some stuff that undeniably did happen didn't, apparently for the sole intent of sparing the guys blushes.
This is not the article it was when CyberAnth was blanking it - A lot of effort has been put into it to ensure that it isn't, and not just in the citing and fact checking of negative material - and I simply don't think WP:BLP can be used as a big stick to beat it into submission again. I'd definitely say that the article could do with more on Swaggart outside of the scandals: His folk singing career in particular could be expanded upon (and efforts have been made to find subject matter experts on that) however the guy has been involved in multiple scandals, and cited factual references to that in a neutral tone are an important part of the article. To pretend otherwise, or just include a single "representative" scandal would be a lie by omission. I believe the way these documented matters’ of public record have been dealt with are fair and I am replacing those portions of the article. Artw 04:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I do not agree. You are not going to turn this article into a slagfest. The article as I have left it mentions a scandal. You do not need to write a book about it. Remember the key to a biography. The person it's about need not like it (and it need not be what they would write themselves) but they must be able to agree that it is fair. That's an absolute minimum requirement. I simply do not care whether you agree with that, Artw, because it's the minimum standard here, and if you don't like it, you can go write a blog about Swaggart. Grace Note 06:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Let's do this properly. Both pros and antis, if you can be labelled that, present in this section the material you would like to include. Give a rationale for its inclusion and sources for every piece of it. We can then discuss it rationally and build a decent biography. Artw, I don't want to exclude the truth about Swaggart but I want a fair discussion of a whole life, not a focus on the bad. Grace Note 06:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Artw, that is precisely what I want to avoid. I am aiming at a stable version of the article that would be acceptable to anyone reasonable reading it. Iamstillhiro11112, I am simply going to remove the stuff about the scandals until they are compliant with my statement above. It has nothing to do with my "internal fairness meter" because I'm sure that Artw is perfectly aware of what's reasonable, and equally aware that what is being presented isn't. Grace Note 01:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I had no idea there had been so much controversy about the article until I took the time to rework it and THEN read the discussion on it. Personally, I can't believe that the article prior to my changes would have been acceptable to anyone committed to keeping a NPOV. Honestly, when I read it as it was BEFORE my changes, I surmised that it had likely been edited by someone in Swaggart's camp because it was so whitewashed and so non-NPOV.
Look, I'm a Christian (an ordained minister, in fact) and I don't see any reason why the article can't give the scandal details as they were presented in the reworked version. ESPECIALLY since the guy basically thumbed his nose at his denomination's leadership and at the Christian community as a whole. Nothing I wrote was untrue, and nothing I wrote was over-the-top. Additionally, I actually EXPANDED the article by providing background information about Swaggart that previously was left out. I reworked it from reliable internet sources, a Swaggart biography, and what I already knew about the guy - it never would have even occur to me to repost a cut-and-paste of other deleted versions.
I am not aiming at a "whitewash". But the alternative is not an article focused on his misdoings. We should be aiming at presenting a view of the man in the round. And yes, that should be something acceptable to "Swaggart's camp". That is the central point of WP:NPOV, which I direct you to read. Also read WP:BLP so that you have a better idea of what biographies here should look like. Grace Note 01:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not aiming at a "whitewash".
Then why tone down the article to such a point that the truth is obscured?
But the alternative is not an article focused on his misdoings.
It wasn't focused on his misdoings - his misdoings, however, are what made him a name outside of Christendom. People should be allowed to read a factual, unbiased encyclopedic short-story about that which made him known. You can't tell Swaggart's story without telling in-depth about the last 20 years of his life.
We should be aiming at presenting a view of the man in the round.
Can that happen without you throwing a temper-tantrum, Grace Note? It would seem not.
And yes, that should be something acceptable to "Swaggart's camp". That is the central point of WP:NPOV, which I direct you to read.
So, in essence, you are saying that Wikipedia bios should only be written to make the subject and subject's fans happy? Ridiculous. I thought the goal of Wikipedia was to be an online encyclopedia, not a fan-site.
Also read WP:BLP so that you have a better idea of what biographies here should look like.
Mmmm...if it says that Wikipedia biographies should look like amateurish garbage (like the now reverted version of the Swaggart article again looks), then it's no wonder Wikipedia is still generally thought of as resource joke. Kelly A. Siebecke 02:27, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Not a chance. You are not writing one paragraph on who he is and about a dozen on one scandal. Think again. The article is about the man in the round, not about the thing that you think is most important about him. Grace Note 03:44, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
"You are not writing one paragraph on who he is", and how is this article gonna improve if you won't "allow" one paragraph to be added to it?-- Iamstillhiro1112 15:11, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Gracenote, please back off. You do not own the article. Artw 16:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Artw, here's how I feel about this article:
I am not going to take the time to edit and add to this article (as I did last week) only to have it sabotaged by someone who obviously has the feeling that they "own" the article. On the web, be it Usenet, Wikipedia, or any other entity that allows the average public to contribute, self-perceived kings and kingdoms abound. Wikipedia, it is now evident, is not excluded in this perception. If grace note wants to have rule over the Jimmy Swaggart article, then I'm not going be the one to try and buck that tiger. My intent in editing this article was to try and augment and balance out the article and grace note threw a tantrum. I'm not interested in adults throwing childish tantrums, therefore, I'm no longer interested in editing this article. If grace note decides to leave this article alone and move on to claim ownership over another article, then I might consider working on it again. Until then, I've got better things to do.
As a side note: One thing I have noticed in grace note's contribution history on Wikipedia is that (as far as I can see) he has never contributed anything constructive to Wikipedia; only criticism and policing. Why? Some people just have serious control issues, I suppose.
Ta-ta and happy editing! Kelly A. Siebecke 17:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Never in my life have I seen so many negative and biased opinions on any one person. Most of the authors appear to have a personal axe to grind. I see almost no objective and unbiased presentation on Swaggart's life and ministry. Everyone here seems to think that Jimmy Swaggart's life and ministry are over - yet any honest observation of the current facts clearly prove otherwise. Anyone's comments can be taken out of text and context to twist them into something that they were never intended to be - and many people here are guilty of doing that. Where is the objectivity? Where is the unbiased reporting? Why has no one covered Swaggart's life and ministry since 1991 to show the good that God has done through his life and his ministry? This forum reeks of the smell of garbage and rancid gossip.
The problem is, noone will add anything to the non-headline making sections, and provide sources. If it's unbalanced it's cause there isn't anyone willing to add positive facts about the mans history to the article.-- Iamstillhiro1112 23:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Comment: Whether Swaggart (or any other person) can or cannot sue the Wikipedia for disputed content is irrelevant to our responsibilities as editors. Leave that up to the lawyers to sort out. The fact is, "The Foundation and Jimbo Wales receive well-founded complaints about biographical content every day from people who are justifiably upset about inaccurate or unfair articles. This policy outlines the minimum standards our subjects can expect when we write about them, and when they complain about us." The requirements for writing and editing articles like Swaggart's are very stringent. Please see the Biographies of Living Persons policy for more information. -- T-dot ( Talk/ contribs ) 03:46, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Is mentioned by Frank Zappa on the Intro to Stinkfoot on Make a Jazz noise here (live).
:And in at least 5 other songs (for example on The best band you never heard in your live and BroadWay the hard way). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.171.134.76 ( talk) 09:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I think it's well known that Swaggart openly attacked everything he deemed evil, but I was wondering about Swaggart's attacks on Larry Norman, Stryper (even though he pretty much converted them), and the Jesus Movement in general. I was wondering whether or not it should be in this article. I think it's notable enough to at least add a sentence or two about it, but rather than just add it myself (like the Wikidragon I am), I wanted to make sure others found it to be okay. IronCrow ( talk) 03:41, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Where's the criticism section for this ignorant hypocrite? 63.225.247.123 ( talk) 09:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I've tagged this article for checking because I have very little knowledge of the subject and I don't feel confident in addressing the problems. The whole article seems to be completely out of balance, tilted towards over half the article on his scandals with prostitutes. If he became a full time preacher in 1958 as the article states, why is there so little information about the 30 years before his sex scandals? Surely he did something notable in all that time?
I think the whole article is badly written and doesn't explain why these sex scandles are notable or even interesting, except to show the conclusion of his ministry. Specific lines which are both uncited and are not written from a NPOV are: The song, which refers to Jimmy throughout as "Jimmy Sinner," ends with the repetitious line, "Miracle Man got busted," a fitting conclusion to the perceived hypocrisy that was Jimmy Swaggart's life.
Just because the word "perceived" is there doesn't make it NPOV. This whole section about Ozzy v Jimmy has no background to the conflict, or anything about why Swaggart was so opposed to Ozzy. The single sentence on it is not verified "Vehemently castigating Osbourne, Swaggart christened Osbourne as a satanist who ordered teenagers to accept Lucifer as their savior and/or to commit suicide." The rest of the paragraph is about Ozzy mocking Swaggart in his song. Which is a fair enough thing to have in the article, but it's unbalanced, even within the context of this paragraph.
Klytos ( talk) 07:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
This article is a jumbled up mess. Information is repeated in various forms, there is no orderly progression or flow. I tried to fix one little bit. Holford ( talk) 00:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
People keep trying to remove information about his prostitution controversy in the summary section, as if they are trying to hide the fact that this occurred. Please make sure a short summary about the controversy stays there, considering it is one of the main reasons why he is so well known in the mainstream. BlakFlak ( talk) 11:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Several times now, I've moved this image from the infobox to the section to which it is appropriate. One or more anonymous IPs keep pushing it to the infobox, and I've reverted each time. There's several reasons. First, the rationale for the image says "To display iconic image in relevant context" for the purpose. Having the image in the infobox does not place the image in the relevant context. Having it in the section titled "1988 scandal - Swaggart's confession and fallout" does. Second, Mr. Swaggart is still alive. Using a fair use image of him for depiction purposes (which is what infoboxes use images for) is entirely improper and proscribed by the Wikimedia Foundation (see Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy #3). -- Hammersoft ( talk) 14:02, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
cool story bro —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.197.245 ( talk) 06:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, this opening paragraph figure of "500 million viewers worldwide" sounds absurd. I've got doubts about the figure claiming 8 million US viewers - in the late 80's the US population was around 250 million, so this is 3.2% of the population watching a TV evangelist. But even if I accept that figure, in 1990 the world population was 5.2 billion, so 500 million implies that 10% of the world's population was watching Jimmy Swaggart, (despite the majority of them not being Christian and not speaking English). Very dubious. 59.101.33.190 ( talk) 13:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Hello
It is very unfair that there is no mention of the famous debate that was done between Jimmy Swaggart and Ahmad Deedat in 1986. This famous debate was 2 and a half hours, was also recorded and is widely spread online. More info can be found on the video itself, or here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_deedat#Debate_with_Jimmy_Swaggart
I Love Jimmy Swaggart. —Preceding
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I removed a section saying Swaggart "pioneered" televangelism. The referenced wiki article on televangelism doesn't mention Swaggart at all and makes it clear that many others preceded him, some quite successfully. No sources are given to support a claim that he pioneered any aspect of televangelism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.130.212.162 ( talk) 14:42, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering why there is not a current picture of Jimmy Swaggart at the beginning of the article. If someone can put one there, that would be great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.6.155.21 ( talk) 00:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
The whole section about Swaggart's prositute episode looks as though it has been rewritten by a faithful follower with an axe to grind. I have seen the same sort of thing happen on Wikipedia articles on gurus and other religious leaders. How accurate are these sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andacar ( talk • contribs) 23:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
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This article treats a polygraph test as some sort of absolute measure.
That is far from the truth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph_test#Validity
I don't really think has any bearing on the scandal whether the lady in question passed or failed a polygraph test. 116.55.65.98 ( talk) 17:35, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
The following is incorrect:
"Sun Records producer Sam Phillips wanted to start gospel line of music for the label (undoubtedly to remain in competition with RCA Victor and Columbia, who also had gospel lines) and wanted Swaggart for Sun as the label's first gospel artist. Swaggart's cousin Jerry Lee Lewis, who had previously signed with Sun, was reportedly making $20,000 per week at the time. Although the offer meant a promise for significant income for him and his family, Swaggart turned Phillips down, stating that he was called to preach the gospel."
Untrue, by Swaggart's own account. He made one recording for Sun, "God Took Away My Yesterdays." This is what that albumcover looked like when Sam Phillips owned the copyright: http://www.amazon.com/Jimmy-Swaggart-Yesterdays-Vinyl-Record/dp/B009JGBSLG/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1362933690&sr=8-8&keywords=God+Took+Away+My+Yesterdays
Swaggart being the recording and broadcasting genius he is, that was the only time he let anyone else take control of his product. Perhaps more research needs to be done??? johncheverly 16:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Why is this even included in links Jimmy Swaggart's A Letter To My Catholic Friends ??? Swaggart has always been a Pentecostal/Full Gospel evangelist. He is not only critical of Roman Catholics, but LDS, Second Adventists, Jehovah's Witness, and any other denomination that he feels teaches false doctrine, that is, not based on the Gospels or Scriptures. Please refer to http://www.francesandfriends.com/category/false-doctrine/
Also, the site http://www.fmh-child.org/FMHCCI.html is really a crackpot website that makes totally unsubstantiated allegations against Swaggart and others. Such as, Swaggart was seeking out prostitutes 20--25 years ago because his wife Frances is a closet lesbian. Even if it's true, and there is no evidence to substantiate it, why would it be relevant???
Finally, More time should be spent on Swaggart's latest endeavor, preaching "The Message of the Cross," which is essentially a reworking of Martin Luther's Theology of the Cross. johncheverly 20:18, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Did Jimmy Swaggart ever get formally charged or convicted in any of his alleged soliciting of hookers??? That's very important. If not, why??? Because it wasn't true, not enough evidence, did he buy his way out . . . What??? User:JCHeverly 23:57, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
In living color skit about Swaggart https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAcvEAg9AHE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.212.151.34 ( talk) 20:46, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
It might be a good idea to start planning some kind of draft to break Sonlight out into its own article with the network now gaining more affiliates and cable slots, along with a steady schedule, and linking to a BLP regarding a television network isn't exactly optimal. Nate • ( chatter) 20:19, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Jimmy Swaggart/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
This article is incomplete, and not propertly sourced. That should be apparent when the discussion page is incredibly longer than the article itself. Someone who knows something about Swaggart should rewrite it, and this time do it right. |
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I want to hear her sing. Ann Odom ( talk) 15:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
I know y'all think this is a big thing for us to consider and something that we should DEFINITELY hold a grudge against him for, but must we really include that junk in the second paragraph, right off the bat? Seems a little weird. This has been the wiki Ice Key. Thanks for reading. ( talk) 15:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
If my maths is right, Swaggart married his wife a mere 2 months after her 15th birthday. Is this correct??? Robbmonster ( talk) 06:47, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Some bits are contradictory and appear to have been gathered at different times in history. It talks about the radio stations in the past tense, and as if it's not as big as it once was, when in reality it is a huge part of the ministry and is still growing. The Jimmy Swaggart Telecast no longer exists, now replaced by The Message of the Cross and the broadcasted Church services. Doesn't even talk about SBN on Roku. And doesn't mention that WEBC was renamed back to JSBC. Also, we can't say his role as a "Televangelist" came to an end, as SBN is the biggest multimedia ministry in the world. I could go on. Needs cleanup, but I'm not well-seasoned enough in the gathering of reliable sources to verify all the changes I'd make. IceKey8297 is awesome.[citation needed] 19:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
"SonLife Radio can be received in 79 U.S. states"
Did we add a few more Dakotas when I wasn't looking?
There's a weird shoehorned in mention of a non-notable aunt, it seems, but nothing about Swaggart's parents, following on with Swaggart's own youthful marriage. Isn't this contrary to standard article format?
God has forgiven Jimmy Swaggart who are we to Judge him..His music and sermons is so touching tears roll down your face he is a annointed and blessed servant of God. Will never stop listening to his preaching and music 41.198.136.163 ( talk) 08:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Amen God bless 98.18.234.234 ( talk) 01:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)