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2 issues: nothing is sited here, and it is ambiguous what "partner" means in this context: they are clearly writing partners but are they also acknowledged intimate partners? —Preceding
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01:42, 9 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Straight?
He is so over-the-top as Dean Ubergay, is there any chance he's actually straight in real life?
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I've removed it. The source is not acceptable. Rash doesn't describe himself as "gay" (for instance, he could be bi or pan) so we can't describe him as such. I can't find any other sources about his sexual orientation so we shouldn't mention it. — Bilorv(c)(talk)12:20, 24 January 2019 (UTC)reply
The Instagram post is definitely not enough in and of itself. It certainly verifies that he's somewhere in the LGBT family — and I strongly doubt that anybody who's familiar with him was actually surprised by that — but Bilorv is right, it completely fails to clarify whether he identifies as gay, bisexual, pansexual or queer. So yes, we need a better source than this.
Bearcat (
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20:04, 8 February 2019 (UTC)reply
I think the Instagram post itself can be used, carefully, to say he came out as a member of the LGBTQ community. He certainly didn’t write that he is gay or homosexual. Gleeanon22:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)reply
What about the Instagram post's authenticity? I have reasonable doubts about it, like its vagueness, language that may invite implicitness and rushed interpretations from others, and the possibility that the post can be deleted at any time. Furthermore, he didn't indicate whether he belongs to the community. He did mention "National Coming Out Day", but he also mentioned his mustache at that time.
George Ho (
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01:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
”I make it a point not to judge my timeline or regret not coming out earlier. I just love how I got to these selfies, and I love even more where I’ve been since them. For the past six years, I’ve been true, open and vulnerable. And, more importantly, I’ve been me.” We could just ask him, and use our system to confirm him. As for it disappearing that’s the same concern with all Internet links. Gleeanon02:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Stop reverting simple articles about how someone defines themselves. You quite possibly could or are doing this with anyone that is not heterosexual. STOP.
Howdoesitgo1 (
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02:04, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Oh great. You added back the Instagram post. I can't tell whether he said that he is part of the community. But the post is interpreted that way. I don't know why editors insisted on using the Instagram post. Since this is becoming beyond my control, shall we take the matter to
WP:RSN or WP:DSNWP:DRN? --
George Ho (
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02:58, 22 October 2020 (UTC); corrected, 19:59, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I don't think contacting him would solve sourcing issues. Furthermore, that would risk
harassment, don't you think? If he can't publish his own confirmation, then why do you insist on using the Instagram post?
George Ho (
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18:26, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
We’ve contacted subjects in the past, it resolved issues, and made their articles better. This would verify both that the account is indeed his, and what he meant.I’m not sure what you mean he can’t publish his own confirmation? Gleeanon19:25, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
AFAICT you’re the only one suggesting Rash’s own post is unreliable, we accept a subject’s declaration on themselves all the time.Using OTRS to confirm everything would resolve the issue. You seem to not understand how they work, they’ll verify the account is his, and then ask him to verify what he meant. Based on that process they’ll either remove, or amend what we have.Gleeanon21:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
You and the other editor (re)insert the info that shouldn't have been there in the first place. How he declares himself is subjective (if not objective) at best. Whether such declaration deserves to be inserted can be decided by
consensus. BTW, I've not seen him reveal his contact info, so I don't know whether you insist that he reveal it publicly.
George Ho (
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22:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
On another BLP, of a trans woman, someone contacted her to get her take on a few matters, it helped a lot.I’ve left a message at the OTRS board, awaiting response. Gleeanon22:52, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
You can, it’s been done before as I mentioned.OTRS always handles private matters and discussions, it’s what they do.What do you mean “made his identity private”? Gleeanon00:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
As I was saying, the OTRS is not supposed to disclose private material in the noticeboard, which isn't the request board of something that hasn't happened yet via email. Rather the noticeboard reviews primarily (if not only) case tickets. Furthermore, the actor hasn't explicitly declared himself to be part of the community (I don't mean the
series itself) or sexual identity. The Instagram post isn't clear, even when he says briefly about himself, and it only invites hints leading to speculation.
George Ho (
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00:43, 23 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The volunteer left closing rationale for the
DRN case, saying that directly contacting the actor and using him as the source may constitute original research and that policy against generally using social media as a source still stands. I decided to re-remove the content. If you have issues with one of policies, best to go to either
WT:BLP,
WT:OR, or
WT:RS.
George Ho (
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19:08, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
The content should remain removed, yes. This isn't a Hollywood gossip rag. If Rash wants to talk about his sexuality to reputable publications then that's a reasonable indication that he would want it mentioned here; otherwise, reference to the Instagram post is simply not what Wikipedia is here to document. —
Bilorv (talk)
23:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Howdoesitgo1: You and I are close to reaching the
three-revert rule limit within 24 hours of the first revert made hours ago, but I've not yet reported you to the
WP:3RRN for your edit warring because I've not yet given you a warning, which I'm doing so now. I suggest that you comply to other editors' agreement with the removal of the Instagram post. Otherwise, I can guarantee that you'd be
blocked temporarily for that, but I predict you can disagree with me and then accuse me of edit warring, which you got involved in. You can read {{
subst:uw-3rr}}, which I've not yet posted to your user talk page as of date. Furthermore, your recent remarks to another editor (
diff 1,
diff 2) and then to me (
diff) imply that you're not interested in a healthy discussion with anyone, which is close to an
WP:ANI case alongside edit warring. Again, I suggest you undo your revert of my removal, i.e. please re-remove the "Personal life" section, already agreed by others.
George Ho (
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07:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Please stuff it. You want to accuse anyone who disagrees with you and even shows you where there are problems with your editing. Sorry, not sorry. No one cares. You don't even follow the rules you espouse; you stir up people.
Howdoesitgo1 (
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09:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Use Rash's Instagram post?
This is being closed at the request of the initiator and in consideration of the fact that, even though less than 30 days have passed, it seems unlikely to attract further discussion.
There is no consensus to either include or not include the Instagram post in question.
Chetsford (
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08:14, 29 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The actor
Jim Rash's
Instagram post has been discussed. Many attempts to use the actor's post, including recent edits, have been challenged and been subject to rules like
WP:BLP and
WP:RS. Shall the Instagram post be used in the article? Why or why not? If so, how can the post be used? --
George Ho (
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22:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)reply
I would say information about the Instagram post could be included on the page if it was covered in a news source that can support the post. In a cursory search, I don't see any sources of that nature, but there may be some out there.
Quorum816 (
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14:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Rusted AutoParts: Probably not, or rather "should not". I can see "openly", but I don't see his name anywhere. Why do certain editors insistantly want to use the Instagram post? Also, the combination of the interview and the post would be original research or synthesis of sources, right?
George Ho (
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18:32, 1 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Has there ever been any actual quote of him stating he is gay? I think saying he “came out” on the article without saying what he came out as is a bit weird, but also the instagram post never says gay/bi/pan/queer/anything. Many articles reference it saying he is gay but don’t seem to cite anything other than the instagram post which says that. The fact that he plays a bi character in Bros makes me wonder if he’s bi since they tried to have representation
Heymisterscott (
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18:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)reply