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I believe that it's very bad to have the term "Ball Four" redirect to "Jim Bouton". Ball Four is enormously popular and absolutely deserves its own page.
TheImpossibleMan14:01, 24 August 2005 (UTC)reply
I completely agree, Ball Four the book deserves its own place in history and Bouton his own, while related, these two are not the same thing. -
Abisai
Here's a thing: Get a good article first, then worry about where it goes. --
GWO
I think this Jim Bouton article deserves a longer treatment of Ball Four,
which I will try to provide.
Not a terrible attempt, but the Ball Four section has some serious problems, most notably its tone; it's written more like a high school book report than an encyclopedia article. Too much opinion, too much non-factual clutter. I'm not even sure where to start, but it needs some serious work. —
Cleared as filed.00:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)reply
Disagree, I found that section very readable and it told me exactly what I wanted to know, i.e. what kind of book it is and why it made such a splash at the time. -
Mcasey66602:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)reply
"But Bouton and Shecter found a way to write a non-fiction baseball book that was weirdly and powerfully compelling..."
Sure, it's readable, but the tone is inappropriate. It's not the job of an encyclopedia to tell people that a book was "weirdly and powerfully compelling," whatever that means. Like I said, it sounds more like a high school book report. The article can explain why the book made such a splash without sounding like a cheerleading book review. —
Cleared as filed.03:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)reply