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What do you think are the chances of her survival?-EKN —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EKN ( talk • contribs) .
She survived, Allahu Akbar!.
Why is a link to The Guardian, a clearly leftist publication, used as the first reference for this article?
I'll acquiesce with any other reporting outlet, but a link to The Guardian is hardly acceptable.
Haizum 22:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Would you prefer Fox News or Free Republic?
I'll take Fox News over The Guardian any day, but I'm not here to get into a pissing match over liberal versus conservative.
Your guess is as good as mine - it was already there when I posted the MSNBC link (though I agree with you on the Guardian). Mhking 22:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
someone inserted the phrase "triggering angry protests from Sunni Muslim towel heads". I don't think that's appropriate. Just thought I'd let someone know.
I have heard Delta Force raided they building where she was and got her back, but nothing has been officaly said. Any truth behind this?
Salon mangazine identifies the slain interpreter using a different name. He is also mentioned in the blog of Riverbend ( http://riverbend.blogspot.com) as being a friend of hers and a local shopkeeper (and fixer). Ancawonka 22:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Why haven't the medias tried to read her lips in that video? I wouldn't think it would be so hard. Anybody else thinks this is weird? -- Cramer 01:09, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Any special reason the photo links are included (both from the same series of shots of Carroll), as opposed to an actual photo?
Mhking
22:57, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I read in the recent AP article that Al Jazeera doesn't play the sound in these videos because the voices of the captives are too "disturbing". Presumably, though, they have the sound, so we should be able to know what she actually said. Ancawonka 17:48, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I remember reading a MSNBC article that mentioned that wives of suspected terrorists were taken to pressure them to turn themselves in. I'm speculating that one such terrorist wants his wife back.
I have uploaded an enhanced picture of her taken from the terrorist video and heavlily laced it with Fair Use notices. — This user has left wikipedia 08:41 2006-01-31
I noticed that people are changing the name of the terrorist group from Revenge Brigades and Brigades of Vengeance. Is this a translation issue, or what? Ancawonka 20:41, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I changed the reference from Huron class of 1995 to Community class of 1996 per this article in the Ann Arbor News (Ann Arbor's mainstream daily newspaper of record). If this is wrong, please correct it.
http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/index.ssf?/base/news-16/113690761414580.xml&coll=2
Community High is an alternative school, so I believe that it would be possible to start at Huron and transfer to Community while maintaining the same residence.
I was the one who changed it to "Commie 96." Good job, Dhartung, and and sorry for the confusion.
Someone else who might have gone to school with her: [" http://www.crackpotpress.com/html/jill_carroll.html "Jill Carroll and the Christian Science Monitor"] (I moved this from the main page) Anca 18:07, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Anca: the author of the article you linked to is a musing about the Christian Science religion, and whether Ms. Carroll, who the URL's author, "Mike Crackpot" aka Mike Miller HAS NEVER MET is an adherent. It provides no information whatsoever about Ms. Carrol. Mr. Crackpot/Miller could have answered most/all his quesions about Ms. Carrol by quickly reading this page: she went to Ann Arbor public high school (which was never in doubt), so she almost certianly didn't attend his boarding school, and attended Amherst, not a Christian Science college in Indiana. Given the Monitor's reputation for unbiased journalism, a person's employment with the Monitor says nothing about his/her religious beliefs. I'm really not sure why anyone would think that Mr. Crackpot/Miller's article was relevant or worth linking.
I'm putting together a crack team of Wikipedians to go over to Baghdad and rescue Ms. Caroll. We are specifically looking for users with extensive contributions to Wikipedia in the fields of 'explosives', 'Kurdish' and 'ESP'. Causualties are to be expected, so plan accordingly.
Is it just me, or does the woman who appears on the first silent videotape (a frame of which appears in the Wiki article) look different from the subsequent videos and earlier static photographs? The gal who appears in the first video looks different from this photo of Jill Carroll [1] taken in September 2005. In the first silent video, the size of the nose is smaller at the tip, and the bridge of the nose is much narrower, comapared with the photo. In the second video, where the woman is wearing the headscarf, the chin looks slightly larger. If somebody had showed me the pictures without captions and out of context of the story, I would have concluded they are different people. Anybody else feel the same way? 4.228.213.2 00:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
"She is a well known Wikipedian and has made several contributions to the site in the fields of Judaism and aeronautics."
I've removed the above statement that was added by an unregistered user in this edit since it's not sourced and I'm not aware of any evidence of it being true. Does anyone have more information on this or is it just a false statement? Angela . 12:26, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
It seems that every time the terrorists have new demands, nobody gives word on Carroll's condition! I liked your comment of putting together some Wikipedians to go out to Baghdad and rescue her. That had me laughing out loud.
I'll be glad when this is over (if she's ever freed). I spent all last week typing all over my Wikipedia user page telling a story of my life, and the 2006 section talks about how I felt about this situation. This Jill Carroll thing has been bugging me for the past few months now!
Here's what I thought over the weekend, but most of you might not agree: Maybe one of the terrorists holding her hostage probably turned into a pacifist like Jun Kazama from Tekken 2 (sorry, couldn't resist--her name's littered all over the 2006 section of my page) and had second thoughts.
I can't exactly see what Jun Kazama has to do with Jill Carroll, but I was just trying to make you laugh (and pray that there's hope and a light at the end of the tunnel), that's all.
D.F. Williams 17:50, 28 February 2006 (UTC)WTGDMan1986
Although I fervently hope that Ms. Carroll winds up being freed, I think it's a foregone conclusion that she will be killed (if she's not dead already) considering what generally happens to al-Qaeda hostages, and especially since Ms. Carroll is an American and a reporter for The Christian Science Monitor. Such as it is, I was wondering if her abductors had specified whether they would shoot or behead her? Margaret Hassan was shot but, as the Iraqi government is growing stronger, I've read that the terrorists are becoming more desperate in their actions and are beheading women and children now.
For her sake, I hope they just murder her with a pistol shot like they did Hassan. That may sound terrible, but Islamic terrorists don't behead their victims with a single stroke from a sword or machete the way old timey executioners would. The jihadi favor lengthy, unimaginably agonizing "sawings" with serrated knives. Maybe they'll have enough compassion in their black hearts to do her quickly and cleanly. ChildeRolandofGilead 09:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Reply to above: No I think they just chop off your head with a powerful blow.
she's been released. Saw it on Bloomberg just now and Bloomberg says that the report has been confirmed by Al-Jazeera and Reuters. __earth ( Talk) 11:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Expanded the section, citing Reuters Kether83 11:51, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
She's been released, and in good condition, and spoke fondly of her kidnappers' treatment, maybe under mental pressure for now, but only time will tell. Anyway, Everybody's much happier now :)
I'm wondering if that means she converted to islam because of the millitants.
I wouldn't count on the mainstream reporting that the supposed "abduction" of Miss Carroll was the work of REAL Iraqi insurgents. As far as I know, Iraq is a free-for-all melee of a country, where many pose as insurgent 'freedom fighters' are actually mercenaries. The fact that Miss Carroll was released unscathed is unprecendented (to tell you honestly, she look as if she just had a vacation). Not that I wanted her harmed in anyway. But just consider, a few days before her release, American and Iraqi military conducted an armed operations against insurgents in Samarra where many Iraqis including top politicians condemned.
This simply was not right. Her release digressed from the usual pattern of atrocity on both sides.
In the past, a strike opeartions by the Americans was automatically followed by a counter-attack by Iraqi rebels. Just think of the cases in Fallujah, Najaf and others. The killing of past American, European and Japanese victims was in large part conducted as a retaliation. This was and still is the behaviorial dynamics of Iraqi rebels.
It is very curious to think that after a MAJOR crackdown on insurgents in Samarra, Jill Carroll was strangely released. It simply does not fit.
The question to ask, therefore, is: Is there a possibility that Jill Carroll's abduction was planned and programmed? I say yes and to be sure Ms Carroll might not even know that her abduction was rehearsed.
Abducted by whom? at this point, possibilities are endless. Iraqi politicians who want to get public and American approval. Americans who wish to conduct a very good psywar effort to parcelize insurgents. the jihadist Revenge Brigade could be a military creation - a deception op to establish their reputation before undertaking future infiltration activities on REAL jihadist and insurgent groups in Iraq. Big Business afraid that Ms Carroll might discover something fishy in the way war profitters are reaping the windfall in the ongoing insurgency. And countless other possibilities. Definitely, her abduction have already caused a chilling effect on freelance journalists deployed in Iraq.—This unsigned comment was added by Dopong ulupong ( talk • contribs) .
Thank you Wallie to acknowledge something good about Muslims. I do not know why it is difficult to believe that what she said could be right? Mr. Dopong it is always good to think on different ideas so please continue asking questions and thinking. I also have a Question: Let say, if she continue to stand behind what the video said. Then will she be labeled mentally sick always? Or she be held for speaking against US war? Do you think that someone will believe her?
Faisal
21:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
Here's my take on it, and what I think is the real reason the right wingers are irritated with her for making anti-American statements and then recanting them: It's because (1) they would dearly loved to have had her be just another left-wing "anti-American" journalist; and (2) her willingness to tell the kidnappers what they wanted, and reverse herself soon after being released, supports the argument that torture actually serves no useful purpose, thus undercutting the administration's position on the subject. Wahkeenah 01:57, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Wahkeenah, a) I'm a right winger, and I think Jill is an outstanding journalist, 10x smarter than her captors, and, well, adorable. b) The administration's position on torture is that it shouldn't be done. 12.144.20.254 16:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
__earth, since someone deleted my acerbic comment... it is totally unintelligent to label someone as obsessed with conspiracy theory when he proposes an alternative view. If you must know, a staple action in counter- insurgency program is called pseudo-operations. Here is a link to real academic article detailing the use of pseudo-operations in war. [2] The article is written by Dr. Lawrence Cline, a former US Army intelligence officer that had been with the CIA and the DIA. - DOpong_ulupong
There are a great deal of sections containing only one or two paragraphs and I feel that they should be merged together to clean up the article. -- Fearfulsymmetry 01:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
A few days ago I changed the innocuous sounding terms of "militant group," "armed group," etc. Some moron changed it back. If whoever did that does it again, I will keep changing it back to the appropriate terms. The people who abducted Jill Carroll were terrorists! If you have any questions, please refer to Islamic extremist terrorism, or terrorism.
User:RepublicanVet and an anon, presumably the same user, have edited this text into this article several times tonight. The edit is obviously violative of WP:OR, WP:V, WP:NPOV, and probably half a dozen other policies, but it probably does not qualify as vandalism, which creates a WP:3RR dilemma for me, as I have reached my 3RR quota for the day for this article. Can I get the thoughts of other editors here, please? - Jersyko· talk 02:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Ask for a semilock. It's usually the best thing against anon. __earth ( Talk) 16:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Did she say anything about why she dyed her hair red? She seems to be letting it grow out now. 71.199.123.24 08:21, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Does one need to be a Christian to work for the monitor?
Does anyone else find her incredibly annoying? It seems as though she is trying to draw as much attention to herself as she possibly can, and quite frankly, I can't believe a word that comes out of her mouth.
According to Military.com the Marines had recently captured several Iraqis suspected to be responsible for the kidnapping. http://www.military.com/features/0,15240,109323,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl
Why is Jill Carroll's salary important for an encyclopedia? I've never seen an entry on anyone that includes a salary. Perhaps it's part of the journalism project, which I have perused but never really studied carefully. It just seems odd and a bit creepy to me to post a private individual's salary; public employees, maybe, but journalists? I just don't get it. 24.211.161.146 ( talk) 01:40, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Over on the Village Pump there is a discussion on the senior wikipedia insiders covertly cooperating with a NYTimes initiative to suppress coverage of the kidnapping of NYTimes reporter David Rodhe.
In that discussion there is an assertion that similiar informal blackouts had been in place for the kidnapping of Jill Carroll and Melissa Fung. But I don't see any mention of it. Geo Swan ( talk) 06:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
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I'd like to propose that the parts of this article related to her kidnapping be split into a separate page called Kidnapping of Jill Carroll. Carroll herself seems notable enough to me as a journalist to keep her page based on the little bit of research I've done already, but currently most of it is devoted to her kidnapping which really deserves its own page. Assuming there are no objections to the split, I can work on improving both her page and the new page afterwards as well, since right now it's undersourced. Thanks. Shuri42 ( talk) 17:49, 8 October 2021 (UTC)